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    Default Value of assay cards for small bars

    A lot of 1 oz to 10 oz gold bars are sold in sealed "assay card" holders, basically a plastic blister pack. Coins and most rounds, on the other hand, are typically sold bare, or in tubes. Premiums on coins are generally higher than bars, with or without assay cards.

    Based on APMEX prices right now it appears that assay card gets you $10 more per ounce when you sell them back than the same bar without an assay card. The additional premium when you buy a bar in assay card versus not is often more than $10.

    So there really doesn't appear to be a good reason to buy bars in assay card, as far as I can tell. So what is the point of an assay card? Is this just a marketing ploy?

    If you buy small bars, do you like the ones in assay cards, or do you prefer to buy the naked bars? Why?

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    Default Re: Value of assay cards for small bars

    I prefer the assay cards - to my mind some reasons include:
    1) They're a little harder than unsealed products for our Chinese overlords to copy
    2) The bars (.999 pure) are way to soft without keeping them protected
    3) The premium is often lower than for rounds (e.g., Pamp spot +14, Krugs spot +30)

    That being said, I have Krugs, Eagles, Pamp, and Credit in my hoard (all of which were tragically lost in a boating accident).

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    Default Re: Value of assay cards for small bars

    I also like the blister-pack assay cards.

    In street trading, it protects them, and tells the potential buyer they are probably unmolested.

    Some people prefer metal with political imagery on it. I HATE political images on my metal. Reputable private mints are the way of the future!

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    Default Re: Value of assay cards for small bars

    A sealed bar, like a pamp suisse or suisse credit is definitely going to net you more on the sell end.

    I've seen paranoid dealers who insist on drilling into unsealed bars, thereby rendering them scrap, because they are worried about fakes.
    "I'm looking for a retouch of the $1180 area for gold, maybe even a little lower before fall.
    I'm still not looking at anything over $1475 for at least a year and an upside of $1545 for 2 yrs.
    My guess is we won't start the next upward trend until fall of 2015."- Montecristo 7/3/2013

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    Default Re: Value of assay cards for small bars

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecristo View Post
    A sealed bar, like a pamp suisse or suisse credit is definitely going to net you more on the sell end.
    That may be true at some coin shops, and should definitely be the case at a show with a fair number of dealers, but many LCS's won't pay extra for an ounce of gold in an assay card. I can tell you with certainty the shop down the road from me doesn't .

    Personally I'm not really a fan of assay card gold as the Chinese have started counterfieting them and you can't accurately weigh or ring the gold if it's sealed in a card. I can't remember which forum it was on, but someone posted pics of fake Pamp's in assay cards and like their other counterfeits, I think you can count on the overall quality of the fakes to increase with time unfortunately :\

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    Default Re: Value of assay cards for small bars

    Yep, the chinese got the counterfeit slabs down so good it's to the point where you have to send your graded slabs into be slabbed and authenticated.

    Faking assay cards, they leave that kind of work for the Apprentices.
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    Default Re: Value of assay cards for small bars

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Paradise View Post
    Faking assay cards, they leave that kind of work for the Apprentices.
    I have mostly these 5 gram Pamps. How do you tell if one is fake?


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    Tommy: Let's think about this for a sec, Ted. Why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmmm, very interesting.
    Ted Nelson, Customer: Go on, I'm listening.
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    Ted Nelson, Customer: Yeah, makes a man feel good.
    Tommy: 'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?
    [chuckles until he sees that Ted is not laughing]
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    Default Re: Value of assay cards for small bars

    I have mostly these 5 gram Pamps. How do you tell if one is fake?
    That I don't know my friend, but a video a few years back (can no longer find) of a police warehouse raid in China on a counterfeiting operation that had thousands of spot on Morgans heading to the USA woke me up to the realization that there is a risk with cards/slabs.

    See Tommy Boy reference above ^.
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    Default Re: Value of assay cards for small bars

    Solo is correct. There is a fairly long discussion on another site (Mods feel free to delete the reference if it's against the rules)

    Here's a link:http://www.bullionstacker.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18975

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    Default Re: Value of assay cards for small bars

    JayDubya,

    Are those pictures of fakes?
    "I'm looking for a retouch of the $1180 area for gold, maybe even a little lower before fall.
    I'm still not looking at anything over $1475 for at least a year and an upside of $1545 for 2 yrs.
    My guess is we won't start the next upward trend until fall of 2015."- Montecristo 7/3/2013

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    Default Re: Value of assay cards for small bars

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecristo View Post
    JayDubya, Are those pictures of fakes?
    Yes, those are the fakes that are the subject of the long discussion at the other forum.

    And I forgot that you can't be a "visitor" there. You actually have to log in to read the thread.

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