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18 U.S. Code § 5 – United States defined

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  1. Bigjon

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    THE UNITED STATES “C ASINO”
    Posted on July 30, 2017by David Robinson

    You gotta realize that FRNs are a PRIVATE scrip, just like c asino tokens. And just as c asino tokens are legal tender everywhere within the c asino, FRNs are legal tender everywhere within federal jurisdiction.



    FRNs are NOT money, just as c asino tokens aren’t money. FRNs are a money SUBSTITUTE issued by a PRIVATE party, as the federal gov’t is a FOREIGN corporation with respect to states of the Union. But it so happens that 14th Am. US citizens are subject to federal jurisdiction, WHEREVER they are in the world, so they must abide by the US/c asino rules, under which the tokens are means of payment.

    United States” is the incorporatedDistrict of Columbia“.

    “The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a State”

    Volume 20: Corpus Juris Sec. § 1785, Also: NY re: Merriam 36 N.E. 505 1441 S. 0.1973, 14 L. Ed. 287

    And just as you can’t use REAL money to gamble in a casino, you can’t use REAL money (silver and gold) within the jurisdiction of the federal US. And that’s because both of these are under PRIVATE rules (Public POLICY), while in the REAL world, Public LAW applies. Well, you CAN use real money in US, but the US “gov’t” won’t accept silver and gold, because then the federal US’d have to deal with you under common law, where their private, corporate nature would be revealed.

    So basically, when you pay with REAL gold money in the United States, you’re entitled to the protection of Public LAW, and are NOT subject to its PRIVATE rules (Public POLICY).

    And the reason why States can enforce their arbitrary rules on you is because when you use FRNs as money, you’re using NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENTS, which is COMMERCE, and States have the authority to regulate commerce.

    BUT when you make private contracts in real GOLD money, then you no longer engage in commerce, and so are entitled to the protection of Public (common) LAW, and no longer are under the State’s statutory jurisdiction.

    So buying something with gold in US, would be like buying something with FRNs in a casino. Such a transaction in a casino would NOT be subject to casino rules, as it was not done with casino tokens, but with real money, which requires real law, not a private law if there’s a dispute. Ergo, transacting in gold money entitles you to the protection of the real law, and is outside of the statutory jurisdiction of the State. You just gotta demand that it is so.

    FYI, casinos use private tokens, because if they used real money, any dispute would have to be decided in a COURT, and not administratively, by the casino itself. It’s basically the same reason why real money was removed from circulation in US; use of real GOLD money, entitles people to REAL, common law, while a use of money substitutes such as FRNs, puts you under State’s arbitrary, STATUTORY jurisdiction (=rule of majority=Democracy). While being under common law, PROTECTS you from that mob rule, for there is no crime under common law, unless there’s an INJURED PARTY.

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    AMERICANS ARE NOT IN THE UNITED STATES!
    Here you have it. The term UNITED STATES does NOT include states of the Union, since they’re NOT subject to the jurisdiction of United States! Remember, the states CREATED the United States so they OBVIOUSLY cannot be subject to ITS jurisdiction.
    I.e. if you live in California, you DO NOT live in the United States!!!
    And that’s because territorially, the United States ONLY has jurisdiction over the 10-mile square of District of Columbia and territories that are OUTSIDE the states.
    For example, whatever land is within the boundaries of State of California, is subject to the jurisdiction of State of California, NOT the jurisdiction of the United States!

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/5

    18 U.S. Code § 5 – United States defined
    “The term “United States”, as used in this title in a territorial sense, includes all places and waters, continental or insular, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, except the Canal Zone.” (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 685.)

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    WHAT’s YOUR STATUS?
    Federal gov’t is running its own private ‘nation’. It’s VOLUNTARY, and you signup via a Birth Certificate. And when you joined their corporate nation, you gotta get SSN if you want employment. And that entitles you to the protection of federal labor laws, but also makes you liable to obey federal laws. So you then are an employee in the federal nation, a ‘federal employee‘ for short.

    And if you want out, just tell the IRS that you are a non-resident alien (State citizen or inhabitant) and ask them for a form to change the status of your SSN into an ITIN. Then you can file a W8-BEN form with your employer and mark EXEMPT on line 7 of the W4 form.

    BTW, there are about 100 boundary stones around District of Columbia. And on the inside of the stones, it says “Jurisdiction of the United States”. That’s a proof positive that jurisdiction of US is limited to District of Columbia. SO you now know what is the territorial United States, that form W8-BEN talks about.

    Comment by ron
    The State of Whatever is a franchise of the United States, operating within the territorial boundaries of a perpetual union state. This said State of Whatever is only federal lands within the territorial boundary of the perpetual union state. Look at any State statute for the meaning of “State” or “in this state” and you WILL find it meansDistrict of Columbia. One inhabits upon, ie. Florida, California, Ohio etc, not State ofCalifornia etc. etc. The State of California, State of Florida etc. etc are within thejurisdiction of United States but not California, Florida etc. etc.
     
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    There is about as much fact in this as there is in fictional works like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. Meaning, interesting thought exercise, but don't go looking for a travel agent to get you a ticket to Hogwarts or Middle Earth, 'cause it only exists in the writer's imagination.

    As a lawyer licensed in multiple states, I often wonder if the people who write this stuff honestly believe it, or if they realize this is nothing more than creative writing?

    For those who read these constitutional citizen musings, please don't act on any of it because they are not factual and judge's and peace officers will look at you as a nut.
     
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    I sort of figured that was the case
     
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    I hear typical lieyer speak here.

    Vague, general criticism with no specifics is just more lieyer bs.

    What part of this is false?
     
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    This statement is absolute Horsechit...

    There is so many court decisions that say otherwise, I can't fit them all in 1 post




    “there is in our Political System, a government of each of the several states and a government of the United States  Each is distinct from the other and has citizens of its own.”.
    United States v. Cruikshank, 92 US 542, (1875)

    “There is a clear distinction between national citizenship and state citizenship.”

    256 P. 545, affirmed 278 US 123, Jordan v. Tashiro (1928)

    “The only absolute and unqualified right of a United States citizen is to residence within the territorial boundaries of the United States,
    US vs. Valentine 288 F. Supp. 957.


    “The privileges and immunities clause of the 14th Amendment protects very few rights because it neither incorporates the Bill of Rights, nor protects all rights of individual citizens. Instead this provision protects only those rights peculiar to being a citizen of the federal government; it does not protect those rights which relate to state citizenship.”
    Jones v. Temmer, 89 F. Supp 1226



    [Federal jurisdiction] " ...must be considered in the light of our dual system of government and may not be extended. . .in view of our complex society, would effectually obliterate the distinction between what is national and what is local and create a completely centralized government."
    United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549, 115 S.Ct.1624(1995).








    It's amazing how fast those big, bad government agents disappear once their personal azz and assets are threatened when they are forced to put their notarized signature on documents providing their authority to tell 'We the People' to do anything.

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    The United States Supreme Court has ruled that it is my duty and my responsibility to determine the authority of anyone representing themselves to be a government officer.

    As Per RYDER v. UNITED STATES, 115 S.Ct. 2031, 132 L.Ed.2d 136, 515 U.S. 177,
    I am required to initiate a direct challenge to authority of anyone representing himself, or herself, to be a government officer or agent prior to the finality of any proceeding in order to avoid implications of de facto officer doctrine. When challenged, those posing as government officers and agents are required to affirmatively prove whatever authority they claim. In the absence of proof, they may be held personally accountable for loss, injury and damages. If I fail to make this challenge in a timely manner then I have chosen to accept whatever lawful, or unlawful acts, and actions, may befall me.


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    Texas Rules of Civil Procedure (TCRP) Rule 52, Alleging a Corporation:

    "Allegations that a corporation is incorporated
    shall be taken as Truth unless denied by affidavit of the adverse party, his agent or his attorney, whether such corporation is public or private and however created."





     
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    You are so much nicer than me but me keeping my fingers off the keyboard is just me being nice.
     
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    The Other Guys and We, the Cows
    Posted on August 1, 2017 by David Robinson
    [​IMG] Justice Anna von Reitz

    For the Federales, both Territorial and Municipal, that Congress in DC is legitimate. The “U.S.” has always been run as a corporation and the Municipal “US” has been operated as a corporation since 1878. Within its own sphere, then, the “United States Congress” is acting legally.

    The problem is that we have been misled to think that it is something it’s not. It is not operating as the “United States in Congress Assembled”. It is not representing all the people and it is not competent to do so.

    So in effect, we have been disenfranchised if we don’t want to join their club, and have to instead form our own Congress to act in behalf of the land jurisdiction owed to the actual states and people.

    You continue to mis-represent their action as being something wrong and criminal, when in fact, it is our inaction which is the actual big problem.

    They have not prevented us from organizing our county jural assemblies and operating our lawful government. We have no cause to complain because they have operated theirs.

    Now what is needed is precisely what I have said all along— people need to organize their county jural assemblies, organize their county governments, organize their states, and eventually call a Continental Congress. Boot up your own lawful government.

    Stop worrying about what “the other guy” is doing and stop participating in their elections and stop letting them presume upon you to pay their debts and obey their private statutory laws.

    You all have the key to your own prison cell. Make use of it. The Michigan General Jural Assembly is standing ready and willing to help you get your lawful county government organized and on its feet. It’s your responsibility to get your own records straightened out and your own county functioning.

    There is a call in— a national call in show— at 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time every Thursday night: 1-712-770-4160, access code to merge onto the call is: 226823#.

    They also offer help at their website http://1stmichiganassemly.info and have a hotline from 2 to 7pm Monday through Thursday—- call 1-989-450-5522.

    Stop worrying and fuming and fulminating about what the “Other Guy” is doing long enough to take care of your own long neglected business. Then maybe it will be apparent to everyone that they have a choice and that not making a choice and not fulfilling their own responsibility to provide themselves with a competent and lawful government is, in fact, creating a Big Problem for everyone concerned.

    We have done the heavy lifting to extract your assets out of the looming “US BANKRUPTCY” liquidation and are, with your help and support, continuing to press your claims forward to reclaim the land and assets you are owed. But there, too, you have to weigh in and make the difference possible. My Paypal is: avannavon@gmail.com and my snail mail address is: Anna Maria Riezinger, c/o Box 520994, Big Lake, Alaska 99652.

    It’s your money and your time and your thought and your teaching yourselves about your own history and accepting your own responsibilities that can save America. Nothing and nobody else can do it for you and there is no point in “blaming the other guy” for what he is doing, if you refuse to do as much for yourself.

    That’s the same kind of logic as blaming the guy next door for mowing his lawn because it makes your own weedy patch look worse, or blaming your in-laws for having a good retirement income when you refuse to work. Just get off that whole “poor me!” attitude of entitlement and whining to have someone serve you, realize that you need to take back your estate and your proper political status—-and serve yourself accordingly.

    This can be done and some of us are already well-advanced in doing it. Make the difference. Make it happen — not by trying to change anyone else— but by changing your own assumptions and your own attitude. If you are standing around waiting for one man, Donald Trump (or one old grandma from Big Lake, Alaska, either) to single-handedly drain the swamp and wrestle the alligators—- mister, you are going to wait a long, long time. We may keep at it and give it our best shot, but the truth is that the swamp is deep and well-established and the alligators are well-fed.

    It’s going to take you and Uncle Herman and your brother Bob and your wife, Helen, and Cousin Lester and your neighbors, The Pierces, Rudkins, and Sandormens, and Father Ryan and Pastor Roberts and Doc Schumman and your school teachers— Mrs. Purdy, Mrs. Dee, Mr. Thomas, Mr. Gage and your gym instructor, Elsa Holder, and your local grocer, Pat Schminke, and your friends at work, Jesse, Josie, Abigail, Sharon, and Lee, and your buddies on the softball team and the guys you drink beer with every Saturday night and your fishing partner and your son-in-law, Fred, and all your kids and grandkids and your local mayor, Barney Stephens, and the guy who owns the gas station, Duke Lambert, and your veterinarian, Al Shaw, and your hair stylist, Becky Reed-Law, and your librarian, Mrs. Olson, and your sheriff, Mike Tuckerman, and your volunteer firemen– Bob Olbert, Sam Levine, Cal Fenner, Leroy Jenkins, and Jim Wasserman and your Lion’s Club associates and the VFW and the AmVets and the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution and the local Chamber of Commerce and the local Credit Union—– and a lot of other people all pulling together— to save America.

    We are in a deep, deep pit and it’s going to take hard effort and sacrifice to pull up and out of it. We are fortunate that we have the sympathy and understanding of the rest of the world, but make no mistake—- we, Americans, have got to settle our own hash, stand up for our own selves and our own property rights— or we are going to suffer the results of not cleaning up our own mess.

    It’s not just a matter of complaining about what’s going on in DC. That’s the “other guy’s” business. Just like an ugly neighbor that is always causing trouble and being obnoxious and spreading lies, DC is its own kind of bad news— but left to itself, DC is only a part of the real problem here.

    What matters is that we have been standing around like dumb cows paying attention to the neighbor’s business and letting “him” trespass on our property and make false claims about us and steal us blind and order us around and tell us what to think and do for so damned long that “he” thinks he owns us.

    And what are you going to do about it? Sit down and suck your thumb? Come complain to me about it? Gripe on the local talk radio show? That’s not getting the job done. That’s just milling around in the stockyard waiting for what comes next.

    1stmichiganassemly.info
    1STMICHIGANASSEMLY.INFO
     
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    Oh ur gona disturb the usc96 there johnlittle...he can't take it with his....see, this is why I should just back away from the keyboard... or is that key of borg's?

    Look this man is not a lawyer nor a lawyer of or in many states...(though that posit could be many states of delusion,) But anywhoo some one who carries a twitter account of mirror pictures of himself is "vain" and I would say not what was presented; a lawyer in many states.

    No wonder he referenced JK Rowlings.....and Tolkins.
     
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    I'm going to have to agree with USC96 here. Someones ramblings on the interweb means about as much to me as a 2000 page obamacare bill. I cant really be bothered to read either one.
    Whats needed is facts and court cases proving these theories correct.
    All these opinions are meaningless without court cases to back them up. Even then we have the problem of interpretation. Then, even if the facts are correct, good luck getting them into the court room and getting a fair trial. The law says and means whatever the gov decides it says and means. Not the way it was supposed to work but short of a very bloody revolution there is no going back.
    I dont see how I can be held responsible for any of these millions of pages of laws the politicians pass. If I started reading laws and all of the associated case law at an age when I could first read, I would probably need 3 lifetimes to get through it all. Its just not possible.
    But, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
     
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    What you fail to understand is being a US Citizen is voluntary.

    If I don't volunteer, most of the rules (statutes) of today's courts don't apply to me.

    Somehow "our" courts assume they have jurisdiction when they don't have it. But they do railroad a number of people in their kangaroo courts.

    The revolution we need is for people to WAKE UP and follow Anna and form our own law society for our respective States, that are operating without representative government.
     
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    Every once in awhile I run across an odd video where a person is in court claiming the court doesn't have jurisdiction. I have yet to see any of them succeed in what they claim.
    You may be right but just like the illegally applied income tax, there's not much we can do about it.
    If you even begin to start some sort of movement on the subject the feds will come in and shut you down.
    Unless there is an extremely bloody revolution the peeps in charge just aren't going to give up the power.
    I just cant see them saying, oh, you guys are right, our bad. Sorry for all the illegal crap we been doing. Ok go enjoy your freedom and your own courts now. We'll just close up shop and put all the lawyers, judges and the complete court system out of business.
     
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    I agree, we are slaves and the crooks are in charge.

    But the crooks like to wear fancy suits and imagine they are men of honor.
     
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    Why would one go to a court/private business if you knew they had no jurisdiction? There are ways of dealing with them other than genuflecting physically before them.

    Any such results are buried quickly as possible. They do not want folks to know any of this, note the lieyer in this thread coming on and first ridiculing, then threatening. That's its income, and it'll lie incessantly to continue the gravy train.

    Wrong, perhaps right now the aggregate isn't able to do anything, but individually...

    True, but they cant stop individuals who know what they're doing, unless you're scared of them, which they will try to encourage (like you're doing), or are otherwise incompetent.

    Right, not gonna happen, until the shitstorm...
     
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    So is it your contention that Federal Reserve Notes are not a private currency owned by foreign private interests (banks) and that the UNITES STATES is not incorporated?

    Just curious, where can I find the rules of civil procedure for this so-called "statutory" jurisdiction? As far as I know, the Constitution grants two types of jurisdiction for a criminal action in this country and statutory is not one of them......
     
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    Yeah ur right and in my case I should just roll over and ask what hole they want to put it in. F U! U want to get libated by things that promote fiction then go a head and get it on.

    Look stupid ask your self this question: Why oh why is there a court system?

    yeah choke on that.

    edit: and I just noticed that U capitalized USC instead of the screen name of usc. You do know that USC96 has a twitter account of a love lost guy who takes pictures of himself in the mirror, do you not? The f'n guy at his age cannot be a fucking lawyer in many states....maybe states of delusion.

    edit in continuum: do your research.
     
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    It doesn't matter if I understand being a US citizen or my name in all caps or whatever other arguments you all want to make. What I do understand is that if I want to live in this society then they have implemented a set of rules and a system to enforce them. Violate their rules and you will be put through their system.
    I dont like it or agree with it but doing 1000's of hours of research to try to fight it just to get to the end game and lose isnt much of a plan.
    I did the research and spent 1000's of hrs looking into the income tax scam. At the end of the day the SC wont take anymore cases on the subject and the lower courts mis interpret the application or refuse to address the real issues and by default Gov always wins with very few exceptions. People are rotting in prison because they know the truth but the gov is more powerful than the truth.
    By all means research away and hopefully you succeed in whatever it is you want to accomplish but I'm not going down another rabbit hole to take on the gov in an undefendable position.

    When you get arrested and go before the judge he wants a plea, guilty or not guilty..... But judge I'm not a US citizen so you have no jurisdiction.. Enter a plea of go to jail for contempt or they will enter one for you. Those are your options.. There is no option where the judge says, oh ok, your right, your free to go.
    When you get your new legal system in place I'll be behind ya 100%, until then I have to live in reality.
     
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    The reality you fear upsetting so much is the new legal system, the fraudulent public policy democracy, overlaid over the original (and ongoing/current/still here, true) system, the constitutional republic. The reality you speak of, and so fear upset, is your vested interest in the current fraudulent system. And with your dialect, I'm sure it's considerable...

    “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
    Patrick Henry

    I guess if your chains are gold, it's ok most everyone else gets screwed, right...
     
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