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2013 $50 Uncirculated Gold Eagle on sale today at noon

Discussion in 'PM's - Coins - Numis - Base Metals' started by hernancortes, Jun 6, 2013.



  1. hernancortes

    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Remember what happened with the 2012's? Suddenly dropped from the mint catalog after a sell-out with 6000-odd produced. Now then, let's all play guess-the-mintage for the 2013's, since that's all that matters anyway! More or fewer than last year? :hmmmm2:
     
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    MrLucky Silver Member Silver Miner

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    *goes on record*

    Mintage will be higher than 2012.

    There I said it.
     
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    southfork Mother Lode Found Mother Lode

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    $300 plus over gives me a pass.
     
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    HistoryStudent Midas Member Midas Member

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    So many GOLD coins this year (AGE Proofs, AGE Unc., AGE bullion, Buffalo Proofs, Buffalo Reverse Proof, Buffalo unc bullion)
     
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    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Less is more.
     
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    jogslvr Gold Miser Gold Chaser

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    Well welcome back stranger. I thot maybe you went out to take a shat and the hogs ate you? :cheerful:
     
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    Irons Deep Sixed Site Supporter Mother Lode

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    Nice to see the mint got their 2013 coins out now that '13 is half over. What a clusterfock. :rolleyes:
     
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    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    The cluster ain't ova. They are all scheduled except the First Spouses. There are five chicks waiting around like spurned June brides who don't even have a date at the mint.
     
  9. hernancortes

    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    I can think of a few factors which argue in favor of greater sales, most especially these are definitely on dealers' radar like never before because of the '08, '11 and '12s recent price performance. The '12's were selling slightly better than the '11s before they were pulled.
    Again, that could all be irrelevant though... if the mint pulls the same stunt as last year.
     
  10. MrLucky

    MrLucky Silver Member Silver Miner

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    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    This is just a little guess work but I think the days of the mint selling coins out 18-24 months past their initial issue date are done. I think they will continue along their current path of trying to clean house and keep things orderly. There are a lot of competing issues such as the proof and rev proof gold Buff coming out in fairly short order, and before long the spouses will be back. I think we will get a pretty good picture of what to expect from the 2013 unc Eagle mintage by its first week or two of sales.
     
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    HistoryStudent Midas Member Midas Member

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    Amen, BRO. These 10 coming to the party in 2013 (late) will be some of the ones that go UNDER the 2,000 mark total sold (especially in MS).

    In five years the folks will see that as long as the US Mint made it and put a value on it ($10) they will be collectable. Look at the 19th Century trade dollars,
    the Gobrecht dollars, 1915 Panama gold issues, all the 20th century commemorative halves.

    If they make it will cost an arm and a leg later because they were unloved and cost a huge premium at first!

    Many of These 2013 $10 spouses will rival the early 1800 gold pieces in LOW! mintage.


    The above goes for the UNLOVED 5 oz puckers with a lousy 25 cents written on them. Especially in LOW mintage.
     
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    I'm all on on the pucks HS, but you can't make me buy any more uglies. You can't make me, you can't make me....
     
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    SongSungAU Midas Member Midas Member

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    If anyone has ordered one yet, can you tell us if they gave you a shipping date? I was just wondering if these are being filled now or if it will be a month or two before they ship the orders. The web site doesn't say they are shipping later so I figured they must be shipping right away. ???

    Thanks.
     
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    HistoryStudent Midas Member Midas Member

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    Song Sung AU Blue:

    They are a real low mintage winner with all the others in the stable this year.

    ALSO Take a HARD LONG look at the 2013 100 year old GOLD copy reversed of the BUFFALO when it comes out with this one as the top two
    of 2013 IMVHO.

    OMS Spouses in total =
    They'll all then cover Baby her whole COLLEGE EDUCATION in 17 years!
     
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    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    First week sales at 1,448 compared to last year's 1,949. But next weeks sales should be big if the likely price decrease happens.

    Edit: Mint price decrease happened, now $50 cheaper.
     
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    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Cumulative Sales at week 2 of availability:

    $50 Unc-w gold eagle

    2011: 1335
    2012: 2909
    2013: 2700

    My take ---If the 2013 does not show better sales than the 2012's did by the 4 to 6 week-of-sales point, how can we expect the mint to want to put out any more than they did in 2012. If this keeps up I will be loading the boat.
     
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    howellzin Silver Member Silver Miner

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    Mint is re-pricing gold coins again today.
     
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    HistoryStudent Midas Member Midas Member

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    Not a dime's difference from yesterday.

    $1,575 at 5 pm tonight.

    They KNOW it'll jump soon.

    Soon we'll see those $100 swings daily.
     
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    Thats my boy, unbridled enthusiasm as they storm the gates! Gluck HS
     
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    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Cumulative Sales at week 4 of availability:

    $50 Unc-w gold eagle

    2011: 2260
    2012: 3895
    2013: 4311 (big sales last wk. w/ price drop)
     
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    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    I think we will likely see a pretty sharp drop off in sales with the reverse proof buff out in five weeks followed by (I guess?!) the 2013 spouses. Also, I don't anticipate the mint to keep sales going beyond the calendar year this year.
     
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    MrLucky Silver Member Silver Miner

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    Thank you for this timely information. Not many of us have the records you do. Thanks for sharing this info with us.
     
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    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    If gold had closed 25 cents lower in the london pm afternoon fix, we would have had another price decrease this week. Missed it by 25 cents.
     
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    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Can't say as I am upset. I'm not looking for any more stampedes on these sale priced coins. I am hoping we will see a bounce for at least something at some point.:36_2_36:
     
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    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Cumulative Sales at week 5 of availability:

    $50 Unc-w gold eagle

    2011: 2385
    2012: 4038
    2013: 4369
     
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    My preference is Au Buffalo > Au Eagle.

    I wish/hope the Mint would restart minting the Unc. Buffs. I prefer .999+ gov't coins.
    With the given options this year, the Buffs produced will take a larger portion of my fiat.

    ... US Mint, please produce the Buffs as you did in 2008, along with the Eagles.
     
  28. <===Foolsgold

    <===Foolsgold Gold Chaser Site Supporter ++ Platinum Bling

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    Buy them from APMEX or Provident. Yes they lack a mint mark big deal.
     
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    This is my collector side... I like different dates and would have liked to add the 4-coin sets each year.

    From my bullion side, I stick with 1ozt Buffs at the cheapest.
     
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    earplugs Gold Chaser Platinum Bling

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    b-b-but how else can I rationalize paying 200 dollars more for the same coin? :afraid:
     
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    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    OK I just got back from a coin show where I had the chance to look at a current greysheet for the 1st time in many months. Here are latest greysheet bids for '08 and more recent $50 unc-w's:
    2008: $2200
    2011: $2475
    2012: $2600

    Can anyone look that over and conclude there is any risk in the 2013s? I'm a buyer of these for me and my investment buddy before they get more expensive.
     
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    I typically am not an Au Eagle collector (unless in a set). I was hoping to see an anniversary set a few years ago to no avail. With that said, if I did not prefer Bison over Eagles, the Unc. Eagles would be what I would collect.

    Let's see,
    1) Bullion (Eagle and Bison)
    2) Proof (Eagle and Bison)
    3) Spouse
    4) Rev. Proof Bison
    add to the above, other offers from the Mint. Fiat maybe stretched with this years offerings. Unc. coins have always been 'low' on the totem pole.

    For all I just typed, go for it! I think this will be a good choice.
     
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    FWIW, I went to a sizable show last week myself (summer FUN) and I couldn't find a single '11 or '12 at the show. One dealer from Tampa had multiples of the '13W (NGC ER MS70) priced at $1780 (his rock bottom was $1750), but for the most part burnished eagles were less common than prior shows. I did see several of the '06 and '07 tenth ounce coins, but I only saw one burnished quarter ounce, and a couple of halves in the entire show.

    On a related note it is interesting to note that I saw many dealers with separate pricing on their late 80s/early 90's fractional bullion gold eagles. Anytime you see mint condition early/mid 90s fractional gold eagles priced based off of melt they are a must buy these days IMO.
     
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    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Good to see you back, and absolutely, it proves the it-all-melts-the-same philosphers around these parts were dead wrong from the very beginning about modern gold and silver US coins. The attitude that Eagles are bullion coins, and always will be, is what caused the attrition of high-grade examples of the 80's to mid-90's coins you refer to. They get treated as bullion and are handled raw, when that happens you've lost any chance at MS68 or better; anyone who has seen a large scale bullion house operate can attest to it. Also none of the grading services would agree to even slab a modern Eagle until around Y2K or a bit later. Someone with more knowledge can verify that for but that's what I've read. Anyway put those two factors together and it's obvious why early ultra-grade fractional gold eagles are expensive.
     
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    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    ...week 6...

    2011: 2572
    2012: 4779
    2013: 4435
     
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    What do you think about the Eagles vs Buffaloes? I can't afford to buy one of each. But I might be convinced to get one if there is a compelling argument for one over the other assuming that "I like one better than the other" isn't a good enough argument for purchase. :s1:
     
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    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Bullion Eagles vs. bullion buffalos? I'd take the buffs as they are more apt to increase in premium when supply gets low. I started a thread a few weeks ago predicting the mint would sell out of buffs early this year. Hasn't happened yet.

    Collector Eagles or Buffalos? Best bets are the Uncirc. Eagle, Reverse Proof Buff, Regular Proof buff, and 1/2 oz. proof gold eagle, in that order IMO.
     
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    don't the asians prefer their gold uncontaminated with other metals, such as copper?
     
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    Mint FUBAR after FUBAR mixed with a rolly-coaster (HS jargon) in prices will make a real mess-up in 2013.

    This and the REVERSE Buffalo GOLD will be a must have: with the already 5 Star MS MacArthur and the 2 S0-far 5 oz. SP ATB, and the token
    2013 W ASE unc.

    I smell a mess-up in the works come late summer.
     
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    HS... that's a large amount of dry powder. 2013 will go down as the 'pick your choice' year.
    I believe some of the older coins will see low numbers because of this.

    Spouse coins, all UNCs. (Ag/Au), Pt.

    We shall see
     
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