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$540,701,000,000: U.S. Property Taxes Hit Record in 2016

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  1. nickndfl

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    If families were getting a return for their public educational investment via property taxes, then the argument would not be up for debate. There are many good schools, but lots of average to bad.

    When I was bussed to public high school class of 83', some kids would openly crush and snort Quaaludes on their desks and snort them with a straw during class in full view of the teacher. I went to Catholic school grades 2-8 and none of that went on.
     
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    Stop the whining and fix the problem
    • By PETER R. WAITZE
    • Aug 8, 2017 Updated 9 hrs ago

    In every community, budget time for school boards is hand-wringing time. No one running for office openly vows to raise taxes, but raising taxes is always on the table. Raising taxes is often approved, and the explanation the school boards give is always the same. With tears in their eyes and sadness on their faces, they unanimously proclaim: “It ain’t our fault.” The local school board claims it is not responsible for the problem.

    Well, someone is. As is often reported, we are told the problem is always beyond their local control because the people causing it are from Harrisburg.

    In my view, it is a local problem. And it is time the locals did something to fix it.

    The reality is, they have been complicit in its existence because it has always been within their power to permanently fix it.

    Let’s get to the nitty-gritty. Their hand wringing and whining and doing nothing does not solve problems. For example, as reported in the June 14 edition of the Courier Times: “(Bensalem Superintendent) Lee has said repeatedly throughout the budget process that Bensalem and other public school districts across the state are put in untenable financial positions by state- required expenses that the state mostly doesn’t help pay for.” He went on to cite over $42 million in local obligations “… with the state pitching in only $4.3 million of that amount.”

    Board member Lewis stated Harrisburg “… put Bensalem and other districts in very hard situations.”

    Oh my, oh my. What can we do? Assuming all of the allegations are accurate, and I am sure they are, then Harrisburg is indeed remiss, but the do-nothing school boards are remiss too, and they have been remiss for as long as this financial problem has existed.

    I can almost hear school board members and superintendents thinking: What to do? What to do? Gee, if only we had a friend in Harrisburg we could contact, someone we could talk to, then maybe we could get the problem solved.

    Ta-dah! Some school board members might be surprised to learn that we have a representative form of government so we do have a friend in Harrisburg we can talk to. No, wait, we have two of our own neighborhood friends in Harrisburg. We have a state representative and we have a state senator, and every other community in Pennsylvania with the same problems as we have has the same Harrisburg two-member representative arrangement. The path to a solution is therefore really, really obvious.

    On every school board there is a legal advisor, a paid lawyer. Let’s put all of these paid lawyers to work. In other words, since there are lots of these word wizards with legal expertise already available, we can instruct them to band together to draft whatever legislative solution they feel will absolutely and positively solve the money problem. Let’s stop the whining and let’s fix it.

    What I propose is fail-proof, and this is the best part. The school boards, working together, can craft the solution and then each one can simultaneously contact its two Harrisburg representatives with a fait accompli, and insist that they all co-sign this draft legislation and immediately introduce it to solve the local school budget money problem.

    Once the school boards get together and this process gets started, possibly even before the school boards’ version of a fix is complete, our representatives will surely hear of it and many of them will likely start to craft their own viable solution too. With so many people working on it, with near total unanimity, a bill will be drafted and will quickly pass, and the governor will sign it. The annual local school budget financial problem that has plagued us and every community and caused so much anguish will no longer exist.

    Now is the time to get started. Now is time to stop whining. Now is the time to stop thinking we are helpless. Now is the time to stop blaming others. It is time to stop wringing our hands while taxing ourselves into poverty. It is time to use the inherent power we have to fix this longstanding problem, so let’s stop the waiting and get busy doing it.

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    Peter R. Waitze, Bensalem, is a retired businessman and former chairman of the Bensalem Democratic Party. He served six years on active duty in the U.S. Air Force, with highest rank being a captain.

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    Lions share of taxes go for schools, I have no problems with that, need to educate kids, my biggest gripe is that large apartment complexes that have large amounts of kids living there dont pay their fair share to the overall rate, if it were a 100 unit condo complex it would pay say 100x$1000 each unit for school taxes, I would bet each apartment is not on the tax rolls for half that amount.
     
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    More school board crapola............

    'Public' officials should speak to the public
    • 11 hrs ago


    Public officials too often forget about the "public" part of their title, focusing instead on the "official" designation, which roughly translated is a person of authority.

    And that's the part that goes to their heads, yielding this very annoying attitude: "We're in charge. So just shut up and listen."

    That seems to be the attitude of Council Rock School Board members with regard to the likely closing of Rolling Hills Elementary School vs. Wrightstown Elementary, which also was in the running for closure. We say "likely" because although a final decision hasn't been made, early indicators are that the closing of Rolling Hills is pretty much a done deal.

    Twice board members voted for the closing; once as part of a capital master plan committee meeting and later as a decision to formally prepare the plan, including establishing a special hearing date. In doing so, some board members said a certain number of schools need to be kept in the northern part of the district, where Wrightstown is located

    Still, a growing army of Northampton residents, where Rolling Hills is located, hope to torpedo the deal. They have argued — armed with fact and reason — against the closure. They have circulated a petition bearing more than 500 signatures calling on the board to host a Q&A session. And they have convinced the Northampton Township Board of Supervisors to formally weigh in against the closing. To that end, the supervisors voted to submit a list of 11 reasons why the school board should revisit its two unpopular non-binding votes.

    What stands out about the school board's unofficial decision is the members' refusal to discuss it. Yes, that special hearing will be held. But such hearings tend to be mere formalities that satisfy a state mandate. Faced with angry opponents, board members tend to sit mute while administrators and consultants rehash the studies and findings that led to the board's decision.

    It's why concerned Northampton residents have called for a question and answer session prior to the hearing. They want their elected representatives to speak directly with the people who elected them. Residents are justified in making that request. And they're more than justified in expecting board members to cooperate.

    That the board has not embraced the request is naturally making people angry and suspicious. Indeed, the chief promoter of the petition drive says the board's decision is "shrouded in mystery and to many, has begun to feel like a conspiracy." She accused board members of "failing to deliver on your promise of transparency."

    These are perceptions school board members should not want residents harboring as they engage in a process already fraught with emotion and bad feelings. From what we've seen, residents have raised sound questions and deserve thoughtful answers.

    We don't doubt, as the school board president said in an email to this newspaper, that the board gave the issue "great thought and deliberated at length." If so, board members should have no problem explaining their thinking, which to a great number of reasonable people remains a mystery.

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    Tax " rate" stayed the same here.
    Just the assessments went up.
    My " hood "...20 ish % across the board.
    Same as other places in the same county.
    Just got the letters this week.
     
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    In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards.
    Mark Twain
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    Odd they dont include taxes of all forms in the inflation index isnt it?

     
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    Yeah, 10 4... BS across the board.
    Got a form from next county.
    Actually have 2.
    The ONLY one that didnt go up double digits is the one with no permitted improvements in 2015 or 2016 or 2017. So...if you improve....you pay.

    Articles in Lake County papers, next one over....
    " but rates have NOT gone up "
    Repeat, repeat, repeat.
    Uhhhh..how stooooopid do you think we are ?
    6% of 100 is not the same as 6% of 125.
    Semantical gymnastics.
    Yeah..technically the rate did not change.
    A hoot.
    Don t get me started on water rates.
    Hadda shut myself off from the neighborhood / city forum on that.
    People squealing about the water rate...blah...blah...blah...
    So I posted...
    " Yo...lookit the TREATMENT rate...theres the % increase...as in double digits and root cause "
    Here the county private utility " sells " the wastewater or subs the treatment to the City.
    They have gone up 100s of % in years I have lived here.
    Tripling the water rate on the arse end.
    Front end is but a pittance.
    Anyways...people ...or actually... Local long time realtor in hody hood next to mine said I was not correct.....
    Said waste water went " into the sewer "...
    Were gonna fight me then picket the utility.
    Cannot reason with dumbass.
    Read the invoice.
    Lmao.

    So anyways...trying to figure out rental costs to stay at 6 % net return or a little more.
    If it goes into low 5s or below.
    Im out of rentals in a few years.
    Not worth the risk.
    More spreadsheet this weekend.
    Regards SF...glad the storm is across the way from you.
    Haystack
     
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