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Discussion in 'Ask Questions about our site..' started by Scorpio, Jan 7, 2017.



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(Post only snip of article + link) VS (Post whole article + link)

  1. AGREE, post only partials

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  2. No, Disagree, Full article aok

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  1. Scorpio

    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    Asking if instead of posting the whole article,

    That I post a snippet only with the link to the original location.

    Do you agree or disagree?
     
  2. Mujahideen

    Mujahideen Black Member Midas Member

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    Disagree.

    You should do what you want, if they don't like it, then they shouldn't put it on the net.
     
  3. Weatherman

    Weatherman In GIM since 2006 Gold Chaser Site Supporter

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    I often post snips or summaries of an article, with a link back to the source. Writers can have many different motivations for publishing their work online, but having their full work copied on GIM is seldom one of their motivations.
     
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    <SLV> Gold Member Gold Chaser Site Supporter

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    Internet is so slow where I live. Following links would seriously slow me down.
     
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    searcher Mother Lode Found Site Supporter ++ Mother Lode

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    Depends on who placed the request.

    If it's from someone who doesn't want their personal work shared - then yes. It's their work and they may not want it shared with out getting credit for it by some one clicking on to a link. I don't agree with it but it can be looked upon as a copyright issue.

    If it's a member here - then no. Why would anyone care what some one else posts and how it's posted. It's really none of their business. In this particular kind of a case I see it as someone trying to dictate what others can do. Not cool at all.

    Now as for me.................I post titles and / or snippets of articles when I don't know the copyright policies of the author or web site I'm sharing from. When I know it's ok to share I'd rather post the whole article. By doing that I can edit any ads or unnecessary junk outta the article. It also makes it easier on other members so they don't have to deal with nonsense and in some cases they don't have to worry about clicking onto an unknown link.

    jm2c
     
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    edsl48 Silver Member Silver Miner

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    I personally like reading the whole article when posted. I can read the opener and if not interested can scan the rest of it if I want to. Often, after a quick scan, I will change my mind and then read it more in detail. I note now yahoo news is often posted with a few lines and a link button to "read more." I really dislike that to where I have given up on yahoo.
    I any event of someone doesn't like your postings the way they are then they just don't have to click on them now do they?
     
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    edsl48 Silver Member Silver Miner

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    By the way with 21,816 postings and 22,432 likes you are getting a 103% like ratio. That alone says keep doing it as you are. If someone doesn't like your posts...well there is always the ignore button for them to use.
     
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    Uglytruth Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Seems like click bait for them to make $ to me.
     
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    glockngold Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Post the whole article if possible & reasonable.
    I hate clicking on a link where a thousand popups are waiting for me.
     
  10. Scorpio

    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    To date, original authors have not been a issue as searcher suggests,

    They have been cool in understanding that we are actually promoting their work, and not a drag. For those sites that get all ditzy about it, I don't bother bringing any of their stuff here of any type, like KWN or whomever.

    I am not in the business of helping them if we get nothing out of it.

    The request/suggestion came from a member here. It is a fair question to ask IMO. That is why it is here to get the members opinion.
     
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  11. searcher

    searcher Mother Lode Found Site Supporter ++ Mother Lode

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    Don't know about the money part but on several occasions I had been using certain sources in some of my long running threads and all at once I noticed a new copyright notice on the article or vid. I contacted the source asking if I could continue posting their stuff. Some times I got an ok but on several occasions I was told they would rather have me post a link to their stuff as they got "credit" for people clicking onto the link. I do that for certain articles but not for vids. Them I just unsubscribe from.

    I also know that certain newspapers use private photogs for their pics. In these cases they (the photogs) want to be paid anytime someone uses their pics. Some of these cats (and kitties) are actually internet copyright trolls. Better to simply post the title and a link to that article and be done with it if you are not absolutely sure about using it. Kinda sucks but that's just the way it is.
     
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    GOLDBRIX God,Donald Trump,most in GIM2 I Trust. OTHERS-meh Site Supporter Platinum Bling

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    As a rule of MINE. When I find an article I think the members might be interested in I'll post what I think is the MEAT of the subject then provide the site address for those who may be interested in reading the entire article.

    Plus I believe offering the site address you eliminate any question of plagiarism or failure to give proper credit.

    But HEY That's Just Me.
     
  13. GOLDZILLA

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    Some authors probably get paid for or considered for another article based on the number of readers they bring measured by ads in their original page so I could see why they would not want people to read it without having to go there. What would be nice would be to have the software be able to open their page in a frame so that the whole article would be there along with giving the click-counts to the author.

    The only problem then would be if they were to change or remove the article after it was posted.
     
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    I like that approach.
     
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    birddog Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Either works for me - as long as the URL is there to cite the original info.
     
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    southfork Mother Lode Found Mother Lode

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    I try to post the link and the article as some had requested it be done, I guess it gives full legtimacy and prevents someone from making up fake news, I do however look at a members join date as i have concerns of someone sending me to a baited spam site.
     
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    TRYNEIN Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Which of the 2 choices does YES stand for???
     
  18. Scorpio

    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    revised the poll TRY

    as you state, for clarification
     
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  19. Professur

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    The quote option already reduces the visible text with a 'see more' to see the rest.
     
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    If an author doesn't want their stuff shared they should only post on pay to join websites. Posting stuff on open sites where any fool like myself can blunder upon it and then crying foul when it gets shared far and wide is, well, silly.

    I always try to post the link a story came from but sometimes I forget. I like links when I read stuff on here because if it's content I like I will go to the site figuring there will be more like it there. I have added many sites to my favorites by following links.

    .
     
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    Ditto. I prefer to post the whole article for completeness, if possible.
     
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    Thanks, and just FYI

    Sometimes I post just an excerpt of an article with the link,
    however there are some that I post the whole thing because I want to preserve it in case it gets scrubbed from the internet
     
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    GOLDBRIX God,Donald Trump,most in GIM2 I Trust. OTHERS-meh Site Supporter Platinum Bling

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    LOVE that Signature Line - IRONS :belly laugh:
     
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    I typically try to do as GOLDBRIX stated. I'll post some of the more pertinent parts from article and post a link. That way there's less chance of drawing the ire of the original publisher onto GIM2 and Scorp. I'm sure he does not need any DMCA headaches and I'd feel really bad if something I posted got him or the site in any kind of hot water.

    Some sites seem to not mind copying an article in its entirety, others do and I have no way of telling them apart until after the fact. So IMHO, it's better to err on the side of caution, seeing as I am but a guest here.
     
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    Strongly disagree.
     
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    You're welcome brother.
     
  27. ErrosionOfAccord

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    I almost always post an excerpt and a link:
    Author gets recognition and maybe he needs that bump to keep publishing.
    Ads I rarely look at keep the author publishing.
    I see it as the authors intellectual property and therefore no page view = theft

    I really don't care how everyone else does it, but that's how I'll continue. I've never heard of copyright issues for posting on forums but I suppose it could happen. Didn't vote don't care enough as long as the lights stay on.
     
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  28. Zed

    Zed Size doesn't count! Midas Member

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    It breeches copyright law post more than 10%. Even then it has to be fair use. The law is the law regardless of copyright statement or otherwise. So unless you have explicit permission to post the article you need to be wary of posting it. Scorpio you should get legal opinion on it.
     
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    Sometimes links have a way of disappearing especially with hot topic issues. If you can do so, I would recommend posting the entire article with the link.

    bb
     
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    Zed Size doesn't count! Midas Member

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    Technically it can happen, but, there is no money in it so it is not likely to happen.

    I agree with you.

    Linking to source is a minimum we can do but lets not forget that we rely on these places for original content and bypassing them by stealing the content undermines their business model and defeats the purpose of them posting articles in the first place. We are working against ourselves by stealing the content, if all did it then the sites would struggle.

    It really is best for all to quote 10% then link.

    2c

    FWIW.
     
  31. Scorpio

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    To heck with that, like I give a ratz ass about the corporate business model,

    they can go $#@% themselves,

    everybody in extraction mode, @#$@# 'em all.

    I'd rather shut it down that put up with that tripe

    Besides, it has already been proven repeatedly that we are fair use due to the nature of our site
     
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    If you are on the street and a reporter takes a picture, and you find yourself in that pic on the net,
    you have zero protection as there is not expectation of privacy in the public domain.

    In other words, you cannot extract from that reporter for the use of your picture.

    You want a expectation of privacy of your information, you put it behind a door.
     
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    The point of what I posted is that I don't want you to ever have to be in the position to have make that kind of decision. Because I like this site and would hate to see it shut down for such a f'ed up reason as lawyers barkin' up your tree.
     
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    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    they can shove it up their ass,

    I will choose freedom over bondage

    the internet is becoming more of a corporate wasteland by the day anyways,
     
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    I post whole articles with the authors by line and link at the beginning. I try to clean up all the bad spacing and dot's that seem to come over when you c&p.
    The search engines record the link and it gets counted anyway.
    I'm 100% with Scorp on this as a former forum owner.

    Gotta run, battery is flashing.
     
  36. Joe King

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    Does this attitude apply to KWN also? It seems not long ago that you said you didn't want anyone posting even a link from their site due to threats of lawsuit. Are they now fair game?

    Edited to add: just looking for some clarification on what's ok and what's not.
    ...not that I'd post anything from there, IMHO that's a worthless site, but some people here seem to like it.
     
  37. Zed

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    Yup but fair use limits what you can do. Its copy right law dude, I didn't make it up but I sure as shit dealt with it for years in publishing. You are possibly open here, not that I think anyone would bother but none the less.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

    Ultimately unchecked theft of material will degrade the material you get, it is in our interest to acknowledge those that created or paid for the material to be created and send traffic their way. It is all time money and effort, what would you expect if you worked hard to produce original content for your site only to have it lifted with no benefit to you?
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Corporate? Most of this stuff (I'd guess) comes from smaller independents, they are the vulnerable ones and they are the ones you want to see succeed. The corporate efforts have the legs to put up with a lot more, doing what we do often probably plays to their strength.
     
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    Post all or pertinent content with link- reason- many articles on the Internet are pulled or scrubbed, websites taken down, etc.....by posting here there is still a recorded copy of it for future reference.I have in the past searched for older controversial articles only to find they have been wiped clean from Internet land but found them still here on GIM.....good example is many financial articles that were posted during the great meltdown of 2008......bank names, CEO's names, timelines, etc...many facts have been wiped clean....and yes there are companies that are paid to do just that.
     
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