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America the Beautiful 5 oz Silver Bullion Coins

Discussion in 'PM's - Coins - Numis - Base Metals' started by JayDubya, Jun 20, 2010.



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    Starter Silver Member Silver Miner

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    So is a MS 69 PL about as good as a 70?
     
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    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Kind of an apples to oranges comparison. With the bullion pucks, 69 is the highest numerical grade. This pertains to the amount of, or lack of surface imperfections. The PL or DPL designations refer to how deeply mirrored the coins surfaces are.

    In this regard, a bullion 69 is similar to a 'P' puck 70 in that they are both the highest numerical grades the major companies will grant each issue. The PL or DPL designation is an independent factor for the bullion pucks. In general, the more deeply mirrored the coin/designation is the more coveted the coin. Some bullion issues are more likely to feature PL or DPL characteristics than others.

    Note the 'P' pucks never receive PL or DPL designation. This is because these issues receive a special treatment that gives the coins a pleasing satiny surface which diffuses light rather than directly reflect it.
     
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    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

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    Well said....
     
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    Theodore Roosevelt bullion coin mintage stands at 41,200 today...

    AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL FIVE OUNCE SILVER BULLION
    CALENDAR YEAR - 2016
    Shawnee National Forest
    Cumberland Gap National Historical Park Harpers Ferry National Historical Park Theodore Roosevelt National Park Fort Moultrie
    (Fort Sumter National Monument)
    Total Sales
    105,000 75,000 36,800 41,200 30,800 288,800


    The coin is on sale at MCM, at $107.60 (with credit card)...

    https://www.moderncoinmart.com/2016...ul-theodore-roosevelt-np-gem-bu-sku42421.html


     
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  5. Mr Paradise

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    looks like the big numbers early on scared buyers away. I picked up a few of the Harpers Ferry and at 36,800 ...glad I did.
     
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    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

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    Looks like I got one of the last tubes of Teddy's from Provident (ordered a few days ago). The HF and Teddy are out of stock now. Still available elsewhere though. The Moultrie came out swinging at over 30k...interesting to see where this one lands. I thought it would be a sleeper...but it doesn't look that way

    I like Provident 'cuz, in addition to decent prices and free shipping, they accept E-Check so no need to wait for a mailed check to arrive....and save some decent cash over a CC. Around four days later the coins are shipped.
     
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    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    That has been the pattern. In 2010 we had the run on the first year coins. The mint countered by churning out big numbers in 2011 and then everyone got bored and went away. When numbers shrank and demand picked up last year the mint again responded only to see demand decline somewhat early this year secondary to increased supply. Time will tell but I still see these historic 5 oz silver coins with mintages generally in the 20,000-40,000 range as long term winners, especially when you can pick them up initially at near spot pricing. 2c...
     
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    Ordered a TR puck from MCM the other day and it arrived, but I was disappointed to see the coin packaged in a cheap plastic envelope with cracks.

    I used cotton gloves to move the coin to a ziploc bag, as I was afraid the cracked plastic envelope would scratch the surface of the coin. There appears to be a quarter-inch scratch that may have come from the envelope, but I am not sure...anyway, I didn't plan on sending the coin to be graded, so maybe it won't matter.

    Next time, when ordering single pucks I will prefer APMEX, even if it means paying 3 or 4 dollars more than other dealers.
     
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    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

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    JM Bullion, BGASC and APMEX ship individual pucks in capsules....but...don't expect them to be handled with cotton gloves. They are sold as a bullion product not a collector coin
     
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    I like coins that do not have humans in the design. The theme is national parks. I don't think showing a human walking on a trail, or paddling a canoe is necessary. Show the said park in it's pristine state. The designs have gone downhill the past few years in my opinion.
     
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    And you can bet the better coins have been sent off to be graded. Some of the big outfits say they don't do that, but I find it hard to believe.
     
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    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

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    Probably...but if you are buying them as a bullion product then that shouldn't be an issue
     
  13. Mr Paradise

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    I believe the designs gave already been chosen. I posted the selections in another thread awhile back.
    mI-8
    Wi-9
    Mn-6
    Ga-6
    Ri-2

    I was hoping for Mi-9 minus the kid in the kayak.
     
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    The mint website is showing sales of 27,900 on the Ft Moultrie. Is that right?
     
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    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

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    Yup...that bullion issue will be the lowest mintage in a couple of years
     
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    With the payout for unused PTO coming later this week, I just might have enough funds to buy more of these coins, after all those commemorative and first spouse gold coins I bought over the last year...
     
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    What is a PTO in your world?
    In mine it is a power take off.
     
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    He's probably referring to Payed Time Off - PTO.
     
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    pitw Gold Member Gold Chaser Site Supporter

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    That would be quite the trick.
     
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    Correct!

    If spent properly, though, it can also become a Power Take Off for one's PM investments, given the right market conditions...
     
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    Just ordered a Fort Moultrie puck and a random MS64 Peace Dollar from APMEX (both on sale).

    Even though I got the PTO payout from my last job today, I decided to go light with today's purchase, as my gold purchases in the past year are still in my rear view mirror.
     
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    That is my guess. They already started on the next. That opening number (11,700) is pretty pitiful as well.
     
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    Yup, third lowest mintage (Hawaii, Denali at 20k)
     
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    Sweet! I had a hunch that was going to be unpopular.
     
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    I suspect that will be the official tally for Effigy. I also suspect that the Frederick Douglass bullion puck (currently at 11,700) at this point will get revised upwards in the very near future since it is still in "pre-sale" mode.
     
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    Silver Art Silver Art Bar collector Platinum Bling

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    Yeah the Effigy is unpopular to most from what I have read. However, I like "Animal Crackers" on my silver. :)
     
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    I'm happy I picked up some at initial pricing, due to the low mintage. Not a huge fan of the design. Animal crackers is right.
     
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    I picked up one at Apmex for $116. I missed the initial presale price and later on, I missed a chance to get one at a coin show at $107 because I bought a bunch of vintage '70's silver art bars at that show during that time but I am not complaining.
     
  30. Silver Art

    Silver Art Silver Art Bar collector Platinum Bling

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    Speaking of bullion pucks, this was the last bullion puck that I bought up to this point.................

    DSCI1362.JPG DSCI1363.JPG

    I picked up this fancy PCGS slabbed 2012 Volcanoes bullion puck for "only" $175 from a LCS a couple of weeks ago. That price was the most that I paid for a 5-oz ATB puck but it was a Volcanoes puck and I could not turn away. :)
     
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    I bought a few of the "Animal Crackers" when JM bullion had them qualifying for an ebucks 10% deal a couple months back. If you factor in the bucks and CC rebate I got them for around $93. I'm pretty excited about the low mintage, if 20,300 mintage stands tack on another $5+ an ounce on the premium.
     
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    I agree with this. Based on comments from other places online, there are not many people that like this design and as a result (IMO), in terms of future resale value, the design will hold it back in that will not command the kind of premium like Volcanoes, Denali or Arcadia bullion pucks curently do. The low mintage should make up for that to some extent and should still increase in future premium on the secondary market. IMO the same will hold true will the "Animal Cracker" "P" puck if the "P" version mintage stays under 16,000. We will see.
     
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    Just order a tube of Animal Crackers....Provident was $4-5 cheaper each than the others
     
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    Snatch em up.

    Provident has them at 2.74 oz over spot ...that won't last long. I loaded up on the Chaco pucks when they came out because the design wasn't getting much love. The Chaco is currently $110 more than the Effigy puck at Apmex ....with a higher mintage.
     
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    You got a great deal on this.
     
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    It will go up, but it is not clear by how much. The mint publishes sales figures sold to APs, who then sell to other dealers or retailers. Last two years there were tens of thousands sold right out of the gate. Demand seems to have slowed. I think many wholesalers are still sitting on multiple boxes of Shawnees and Cumberland. They are a bit more cautious so far this year.
     
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    Just ordered my roll of 10 from Provident, at $2.74 over spot.

    When the El Yunque coins were available from Provident 4 years ago at similar premiums, I missed my chance. Today's purchase was done to make up for that mistake.

    Although I have made various coin purchases in the last few weeks, this was my first order of 5 or more ATBs in more than a year. Good thing I saved up some dry powder for this buy!
     
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    That LCS gave me an offer that I could not refuse. :)
    This is just a WAG on my part but the 2017 ATB bullion pucks as a whole could see 2012-like mintages if effigy is any indication. However, if demand is not there (i.e. because of bad designs), then the 2017 bullion pucks as a whole will not have the kind of premiums like the 2012 pucks currently have if the mintages end up being as low (or maybe lower) than the 2012 bullion pucks.
     
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    The mintage for the Frederick Douglas went up to 12,000. It is expected to continue to go up from here IMO. How high will the mintage be is still the question. I think that the Ozark Puck has the best design of all of 2017 puck designs. I like the Frederick Douglas one too. Just my opinion.

    EDIT: It would not surprise me, if I find myself buying the complete 2017 ATB Pucks (Bullion and "P" versions).
     
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    I think Ozark wins be default, with Frederick Douglas or Ellis Island being second. Indiana just looks too busy with so many people, I think they missed the boat on picking that design.
     

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