1. Same story, different day...........year ie more of the same fiat floods the world
    Dismiss Notice
  2. There are no markets
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Week of 6/24/2017 Closing prices & Chg Over Last Wk---- Gold $1256.40 Silver $16.64 Oil $43.01 USD $96.94
  4. "Spreading the ideas of freedom loving people on matters regarding high finance, politics, constructionist Constitution, and mental masturbation of all types"
    Dismiss Notice

America the Beautiful 5 oz Silver Bullion Coins

Discussion in 'PM's - Coins - Numis - Base Metals' started by JayDubya, Jun 20, 2010.



  1. 90%RealMoney

    90%RealMoney Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2011
    Messages:
    4,700
    Likes Received:
    3,837
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Left Flank, Oceana...Locked and Loaded!
    There's people buying 20 Ozarks at a time right now. They'll be going quick.
     
  2. Silver Art

    Silver Art Silver Art Bar collector Platinum Bling

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2011
    Messages:
    4,155
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Silver Art Bar Hoor
    Location:
    Tennessee
    "More than 57% sold" currently according to the BPM ebay listing for the Ozark bullion puck.
     
  3. Mr Paradise

    Mr Paradise Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,723
    Likes Received:
    6,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Lake Superior
    I picked up some ozarks for $113, I'll gamble. In six months the mint will either screw me or I should be able to flip them for almost 100% profit.
     
  4. Foxwoods Man

    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    1,152
    Likes Received:
    430
    Trophy Points:
    83
    They sold around 100 from yesterday to this AM then selling stopped until a couple/few hours ago when 34 more sold.

    I still don't trust the Mint not to crank it up again...big boost for the program sales if they don't but we will see....(full disclosure...I already have my tube of both Fred and Ozarks)
     
  5. Foxwoods Man

    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    1,152
    Likes Received:
    430
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I hope you (and I) succeed.....good luck.
     
    Mr Paradise likes this.
  6. Mr Paradise

    Mr Paradise Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,723
    Likes Received:
    6,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Lake Superior
    Hard to understand how demand for the Ozark puck came to a screeching halt after two weeks supposedly but apparently dealers are still demanding more Moultrie and Effigy pucks. lol
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2017
  7. savvydon

    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Messages:
    1,964
    Likes Received:
    1,500
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Release date for Ellis island is August 28th. Even if they started minting a full month earlier in preparation that is still a month off. Plenty of time for more Ozarks...
     
  8. Foxwoods Man

    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    1,152
    Likes Received:
    430
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Makes perfect sense.....and probably exactly why they won't add more Ozarks
     
  9. Mr Paradise

    Mr Paradise Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,723
    Likes Received:
    6,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Lake Superior
    Just bought more at 112.25.
     
  10. Foxwoods Man

    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    1,152
    Likes Received:
    430
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Price now $118.75 with 89% sold
     
    Mr Paradise likes this.
  11. Mr Paradise

    Mr Paradise Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,723
    Likes Received:
    6,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Lake Superior
    The army taught me to never reinforce defeat but I'm gonna gamble and hope Ozark pays for my Effigy strike out.
     
    savvydon likes this.
  12. SongSungAU

    SongSungAU Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2010
    Messages:
    4,535
    Likes Received:
    5,427
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And if the Mint doesn't come up with more, APMEX can just eat the ones they have.... they are greedy wanting over $130 for these bullion pucks when silver is under $17.
    Plus APMEX is saying the Mint is sold out. Trying to justify their price. LOL! The more time that passes, the more I am losing my interest in these 5 ounce pucks.

    APMEXoz.jpg

    APMEXoz2.jpg
     
  13. savvydon

    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Messages:
    1,964
    Likes Received:
    1,500
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They are buying at $84.90 and selling at $130.60. That is one helluva spread.
     
    SongSungAU likes this.
  14. SongSungAU

    SongSungAU Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2010
    Messages:
    4,535
    Likes Received:
    5,427
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You noticed that too, huh?
    :-)

    Not only that, but they are offering more for any old random 5 ounce puck than they are a "supposedly sold out" Ozark puck.


    APMEXoz3.jpg

    I think we are witnessing HYPE. They can eat the so called "sold out" Ozarks as far as I'm concerned.
     
    savvydon likes this.
  15. Pyramid

    Pyramid Gold Member Gold Chaser Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    1,570
    Likes Received:
    1,534
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    The 57th State
    "Sold out at the US Mint!" could mean 1 of 2+ things:

    1. The Mint is sold out of "current inventory," ie stock currently available to AP's. More stock to come in the future.
    2. The Mint is sold out of all stock of current issues permanently.

    Based on the US Mint history, I'd lean toward scenario #1. We've seen this with ASE's. For example, the US Mint has historically not been always able to mint ASE's to demand and ASE's have regularly been "out of stock and sold out" from time to time in periods of high demand.

    Some of the dealers play newbs like a fiddle with their sales pitches. You folks know better. I wish you luck.
     
    savvydon and SongSungAU like this.
  16. SongSungAU

    SongSungAU Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2010
    Messages:
    4,535
    Likes Received:
    5,427
    Trophy Points:
    113

    And if you and I know that... you know APMEX knows that. So that only means APMEX is HYPING the situation by flagging them as "sold out at the mint!"
    And APMEX isn't alone. Other dealers also are currently charging excessively high prices for the Ozark pucks, APMEX just is the highest priced example of this HYPE.
     
  17. 90%RealMoney

    90%RealMoney Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2011
    Messages:
    4,700
    Likes Received:
    3,837
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Left Flank, Oceana...Locked and Loaded!
    Douglass and Ozark both sitting at 20,000 still. 35,000 for Effigy.
     
    Mr Paradise likes this.
  18. Silver Art

    Silver Art Silver Art Bar collector Platinum Bling

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2011
    Messages:
    4,155
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Silver Art Bar Hoor
    Location:
    Tennessee

    As of now (12:01 AM, July 2, 2017), these numbers are still holding. The premiums on JMB are about the same as my last post on this thread.
     
  19. Foxwoods Man

    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    1,152
    Likes Received:
    430
    Trophy Points:
    83
    ...................................Fred...........Ozark
    Provident...............$152.30...........oos
    JM Bullion.............$170.31..........$138.54
    SD Bullion...............oos...............$124.79
    APMEX..................$165.00.........$136.35
    BPM.........................oos...............$119.75 (98% sold)

    All are CC prices
     
    Silver Art and Mr Paradise like this.
  20. Foxwoods Man

    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    1,152
    Likes Received:
    430
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Update to above numbers:
    BPM.....now sold out of both
    Provident...only 7 Fred's left
    Apmex ...14 Fred's available
     
  21. goldfanbrad

    goldfanbrad New Member Seeker

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2012
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    39
    Trophy Points:
    13
    ModernCoinMart on ebay blew out 22 Frederick Douglass NGC MS69 DPL for $139.95 Friday and yesterday. I was hoping they would last until tomorrow when last quarters ebay bucks are released to spend, but they sold in about 24 hours. I did get 1 though.

    Also, who is BPM above?? The only BPM I can think of has plenty of each available.
     
  22. Silver Art

    Silver Art Silver Art Bar collector Platinum Bling

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2011
    Messages:
    4,155
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Silver Art Bar Hoor
    Location:
    Tennessee
    BPM = Bay Precious Metals. BPM is an online dealer that is on ebay. BPM had raw bullion Ozarks on for $119.75 but those have been sold out.
     
  23. 90%RealMoney

    90%RealMoney Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2011
    Messages:
    4,700
    Likes Received:
    3,837
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Left Flank, Oceana...Locked and Loaded!
    I got the last one of those from MCM. I'm with a few others here, I think more will show up, but I have to admit, the pressure got to me, and I sprung for one, just in case. At least I got a slabbed one, some people are paying $165.00 for a raw coin.
     
  24. goldfanbrad

    goldfanbrad New Member Seeker

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2012
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    39
    Trophy Points:
    13
    Got it. The way it was phrased with credit card price made me think it was online dealers and their credit card price.
    I also think more will be released, unless the ATB press or blank supplier press has been shut down for a month or two of maintenance. Or if somehow the mint is having trouble sourcing silver.

    Bold Precious Metals has the following currently:
    37 Ozark at $120.38 cc price, $115.75 cash/check price.
    71 Douglass at $163.54 cc price, $157.25 cash/check price.
    They also have discounts for 10+ coins.
    They also have a great first time orderer discount package where you can buy selective packages at spot. I have not ordered from them yet, but know others on either this board or bullionstacker.com that have and have been happy.
     
    BOLDbass and deweytucker like this.
  25. 90%RealMoney

    90%RealMoney Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2011
    Messages:
    4,700
    Likes Received:
    3,837
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Left Flank, Oceana...Locked and Loaded!
    I paid $155.00 for the last slabbed 69DPL shipping included.
     
  26. goldfanbrad

    goldfanbrad New Member Seeker

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2012
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    39
    Trophy Points:
    13
    Looks like you bought the last of the FR (first release) version for the $154.95. I bought one of those Thursday night when ebay bonus bucks was 8%.
    They also had the ER (Early Release) version listed for $154.95 and lowered the price to $139.95 on Friday. For some reason its not showing up now in completed listings but it is ebay item number 132166527628. They sold 22 of those at $139.95 . I hadn't even realized NGC had a separate Early Release and First Release designation.
     
  27. 90%RealMoney

    90%RealMoney Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2011
    Messages:
    4,700
    Likes Received:
    3,837
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Left Flank, Oceana...Locked and Loaded!
    AS per NGC website, Early Release, and First Release are the same thing. So why have two designations? Yeah, the one I ordered says First Releases on the sample slab pictured anyway.
     
  28. Mr Paradise

    Mr Paradise Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,723
    Likes Received:
    6,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Lake Superior
    I've got the limited edition highly sought after early first release slab with the autograph of the mint director and an American flag in the right corner. I'll throw in $25 and a coupon for a free appetizer at Chile's if someone will trade me a raw puck for it.
     
    savvydon and 90%RealMoney like this.
  29. 90%RealMoney

    90%RealMoney Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2011
    Messages:
    4,700
    Likes Received:
    3,837
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Left Flank, Oceana...Locked and Loaded!
    Lol, it's at the point where the color of the label, the symbol, early this, mercanti that, it's just a bunch of added bullcrap. Yeah, give me the Spiderman coin, colored version, with the Captain James T. Kirk limited release label, with the double hum baby Scratch resistant holder.
     
    Grandpa Silver and Mr Paradise like this.
  30. Foxwoods Man

    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    1,152
    Likes Received:
    430
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The original link for BPM (Bay Precious Metals) was for an Ebay sale and a CC could be used for that purchase so, for equal comparison, I kept all other company prices at CC quotes. Check would be cheaper for most but takes longer to process....

    Thanks for the other BPM (Bold Precious Metals)...always good to have more companies to compare....they are now the one with the most coins left of both issues
     
    BOLDbass likes this.
  31. 90%RealMoney

    90%RealMoney Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2011
    Messages:
    4,700
    Likes Received:
    3,837
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Left Flank, Oceana...Locked and Loaded!
    So, we still have the question of "Why". Why all of a sudden, if true, do these last two issues only produce, or sell 20K coins? We all know they would easily sell more than 20K of each. Is the Mint playing games to rekindle interest in the series again? Right now, both coins being at 20K, are still more readily available than the Arches or Sand Dunes, and the Douglass is fetching a higher premium. Only a 2K coin difference between them. Someone is playing games somehow, somewhere.
     
  32. Mr Paradise

    Mr Paradise Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,723
    Likes Received:
    6,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Lake Superior
    MCM has 66 Ozarks currently at $117.70.
     
  33. Silver Art

    Silver Art Silver Art Bar collector Platinum Bling

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2011
    Messages:
    4,155
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Silver Art Bar Hoor
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Yesterday, I ended up selling that Arches bullion puck for $155 on ebay. After paying ebay fees, paypal fees and shipping, I made a net profit of $21 on the deal. I am happy with it.
     
  34. Mr Paradise

    Mr Paradise Midas Member Midas Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,723
    Likes Received:
    6,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Lake Superior
    Bay has the Ozark for 109.70.
     
    Starter and Foxwoods Man like this.
  35. Foxwoods Man

    Foxwoods Man Silver Member Silver Miner

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    1,152
    Likes Received:
    430
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Excellent price. I know spot has dropped a bit recently but why do i feel that there will be more of these produced....
     
  36. Starter

    Starter Silver Member Silver Miner

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2013
    Messages:
    674
    Likes Received:
    99
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Just ordered one with eBay bucks.
     
  37. Silver Art

    Silver Art Silver Art Bar collector Platinum Bling

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2011
    Messages:
    4,155
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Silver Art Bar Hoor
    Location:
    Tennessee
    I did sell a Vicksburg bullion puck for $131 today (I paid $100 for it earlier this year). After paying ebay fees, paypal fees and shipping, I made a net profit of $11 on the deal. Not great profit but it adds up considering that I made $21 on the Arches bullion puck that I sold on Monday (July 3).

    I am tempted to buy an Ozark bullion puck but I have not pulled the trigger at this point. I want to see if the Ozark bullion mintage continues to hold at 20,000. I will also see if spot silver continues to drop from this point. If I miss out on getting one at Bay Precious Metals, then I will bottom fish for one at the next few coin shows that I go to.
     
  38. goldfanbrad

    goldfanbrad New Member Seeker

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2012
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    39
    Trophy Points:
    13
    It worries me a bit that Bay all of a sudden went from sold out to having what looks like around 150 more Ozarks for sell. And also lowered the premium a bit in addition to the spot price going down. I wouldn't think they would do that unless they thought they could get more from the mint. If they thought the mint was truly sold out and the mintage was maxed at 20000 then they definitely wouldn't blow out a bunch more from a business standpoint. Obviously I'm hoping they just had a ton and there won't be anymore released.
     
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2017
    Silver Art likes this.
  39. Silver Art

    Silver Art Silver Art Bar collector Platinum Bling

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2011
    Messages:
    4,155
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Silver Art Bar Hoor
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Yeah that is a good point. Lowering the premium on the Ozark bullion puck with a supposed mintage of only 20,000 makes you go hmmmmmm.............................

    The real question is this............Will 20,000 mintage number hold on the Ozark bullion puck?

    If one thinks that the 20,000 mintage number will hold on the Ozark bullion puck, then more people will load up the truck on the Ozark at this point

    If one thinks that the 20,000 mintage number will not hold on the Ozark bullion puck, then that person will not load up the truck on the Ozark at this point.

    In terms on what I will do (not a final decision as of 6:07 AM), I will probably buy just one bullion Ozark to see what happens even though I told myself that I would not buy any more bullion pucks. I truly like the design of this puck and even if I do not get the bullion Ozark, I will plan to get the Ozark "P" version puck when it comes out on July 11, 2017 (Tuesday) because I really like the design of this one.
     
  40. Silver Art

    Silver Art Silver Art Bar collector Platinum Bling

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2011
    Messages:
    4,155
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Silver Art Bar Hoor
    Location:
    Tennessee
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    I went ahead and bought one Ozark bullion puck for $109.45 on ebay at Bay Precious Metals (spot silver was at $15.85 when I pulled the trigger on this purchase). I truly think and I am betting that 20,000 mintage will hold for the Ozark bullion. I am also planning to buy the Ozark "P" shortly after it becomes available on USMint.gov.
     
    Mr Paradise likes this.

Share This Page