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Anybody ever bought/sold from Chaim Greenberg? May need legal help.

Discussion in 'Purchasing Precious Metals' started by chief, Dec 6, 2012.



  1. southfork

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    Humpty Bumpty
     
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    yo chief, how 'bout an update?
     
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    back in my pre Christian era I would have showed up on his doorstep and made him an offer he could not

    refuse
     
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    I heard a rumour that his brother " Hymie Shekelstein" is gonna open up a legitimate coin biz.
     
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    I find it quite amusing that there are so many "Jew" jokes on this thread considering a large percentage of U.S. coin and even some bullion dealers are Jewish. Of course, the vast majority of them are honest just like most other coin and bullion dealers.
     
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    True. The same is true in other metals like steel. This enables them to control the prices through collusion. For example, if the shorts are in a tight squeeze, the dealers can pretend to have more inventory than they really do. By the time the goyim find out that the delivery is three weeks out, the shorts will have already been covered.
    Especially if you have your eyes closed.
     
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    Don't forget diamonds too.
     
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    Oh boy. Just first read his thread today. I second for Apmex. Only wish they did house calls, but they don't. But not afraid to mail to them.
     
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    People get ripped off all the time in the coin business. When I was a child I purchased a 1974 Ike Proof at a mall coin show. I saw the dealer look through several boxes until he found a specific one and gave it to me. Being 10 years old I did not look at it. When I got home I saw that it was spotted. What kind of mature businessman intentionally rips off a 10 year old kid for $15? Is your integrity worth it?
     
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    Not the first time I've heard of that check payment technique being used.

    2 parties agree to do business for goods/services/construction for $4000. One party gives the run around, claims can't pay, etc. Then finally forks over a check for $2000 and a document claiming for final payment. What do you do? Do you reject the check, fight it out in court, and maybe get nothing? Even if you win a judgement in court, that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to pay you. Or do you just take the loss and move on?

    IMO you should be thankful it was for $4000, and not an amont that's much less.
     
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    Sadly, some dealers" stick it" to the new kid on the block just to make sure you pay your education tax...at least it was a cheap tax.
     
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    Hoarder, your knowledge of the tribes tatics is very impressive.

    May I ask how you got your knowledge ?

    Was it passed down to you from your parents or was it from personal experiences ?
     
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    Personal experiences and small tidbits along the way. Parents knew nothing. In 2000 I gained access to the internet. Internet alone does not teach. Separating the wheat from the chaff does. By applying logic and strategic thinking, one can predict what they will do before they do it, or at least before I confirm them doing it.

    The problem most people have is they base their beliefs on information alone and with the tribe supplying that, it's total confusion. Even if they want to know, they spin their wheels for years until they grasp the fundamental laws of power, influence and money.
     
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    There are delivery services that mail various animal poops to people you would like to get revenge on, and I think its completely anonymous. I would send him some gorilla, or elephant dung. :)
     
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    Just make sure it's Kosher dung.

    http://www.thejewishweek.com/features/jews_step_‘dung’_wars
     
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    Anything that is hazardous, etc., etc. could be a big problem if the guy wanted to report it. I think dung fits into that category unless it is certified fertilizer like bat guano for flowers, etc..

    I would just plug his information into a major advertising spam system and they would blast him until he had to change his number.
     
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    Nothing to update. The guy ripped me off for $700. It wasn't worth my time, effort or money to collect $700 from this piece of sh**. I live in the midwest, so to hire a lawyer, pay for a plane ticket, hotel and other expenses (yeah I know I could get him to pay for it) its just not worth it. Sad to see more complaints about him. Guess he is still robbing people. I'm a true believer in karma and hope he experiences some bad situations for all the people he has ripped off.

    Hey Chaim, if you still read this thread like you were before, :finger:
     
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    Sounds like this guy forgot he is 1 of gods chosen special people. :rolleyes:
     
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    No. He knows very well that he is "one of God's chosen" by the way that he does business.
     
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    Have a free ham delivered....it might be quite the dilemma for him!
     
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    I dont believe in karma, but I dont know how he sleeps at night. 99/100 people will either eat the loss or go after him throuh legal means. you screw with that 1/100 guy, and he's the guy who will drive across the country, and show up on your front porch looking for his money.
     
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    Agree. I know there are no nutters on this forum but the chances he will run across one elsewhere are pretty damned good.
     
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    I would keep this and other threads alive; Coin Talk had a thread on him.

    You could also post your experience on NGC forum and PCGS forum as well, one of those two blackened the creep's name if I remember right.
     
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    My take on this, is that if "you all know" he is selling the coins at below market, and he is claiming he has to sell them to get liquidity for his client, then why doesn't he just take them to a reputable dealer and sell them for what he can get? If he were legit, he'd either sell to a dealer and be done with it, or sell at an auction, the problem is that the evaluations he is using wouldn't hold up, and he would get what the collection is really worth.

    The whole thing reaks of scam as far as I am concerned, and I really have a hard time seeing why, as someone has pointed out, that complaints are not filed with his state AG, and preferably his local DA, and with the magazine for false and misleading advertising. I will further assume from what wasn't said, that there have obviously been a number of people stung on the 25% "cancellation fee" because the coins really aren't what they are advertised as. That is fraud. If someone is selling something and claiming it is in mint condition and charging mint condition prices for it, and the actual item has been worn smooth, that is fraud, any way you look at it. The racket here is in collecting the 25% fee for items that aren't worth what is claimed, and that is fraud as well. http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?t=8544

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    'Justice is the settled and permanent intention of rendering to each man his rights.' (Roman. Justinian, Institutions, I. http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=859639
     
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    I sell my coins on E-bay. Easier, get paid instantly, and no games.
     
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    Same with me usually unless you are dealing with gold coins; the 9% hurdle is quite a one to get over vs. overnight shipping to major buyers. I ship to Apmex, they log it in the next day, they send me an ACH the day after, what could be easier than that? Even Rarcoa is going the ACH route if you have certified gold. They do not pay top dollar and copper spotted coins get discounted but otherwise they are pretty decent. As a certified coin dealer I know how to get top dollar for most coins and currency. Ask me if you need to know. Greenberg was engaging in fraud pure and simple. Let the wheels of justice turn with stationary targets like him and know how to report scammers like old Chaim.
     
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    I'll share my own personal story, of what MAY happen in a similar situation, where the guy ends up getting prosecuted. I bought 12 rolls of Silver Eagles from an Ebay Coin/Sports collectible dealer. This is back when rolls of Eagles could be bought for a hundred bucks (2003 I believe). Anyway, the guys name was Joshua Head, he was based in Baton Rouge, La. I believe. I had bought 4 rolls from him previously, and received the coins. he had the absolute lowest price on Ebay. (red flag!) So, the usual occurs, weeks with no coins, phone calls, complaints on Ebay, etc. The guy tells me that two separate shipments of 6 rolls are on the way. I get one shipment of 3 rolls. So, I contact the local PD in his hometown, and the cops already know of the guy, I'm not the first to call. The Detective calls me back, gets info from me, and tells me the guy ripped off some folks for 15 grand or more. Then he tells me he needs to decide if he's going to arrest him or not. HUH? That's the last I hear from the Detective, or Josh Head.
    I do the claim through Ebay, and I get the max refund of about $175.00 at the time. So, the guy still owes me like $825.00. I don't hear anything else for 3 or 4 years. Out of the blue, I get a check from the US Treasury I believe, green govt. check in the tan envelope, just like a tax refund check. It has Josh Head's name referenced on it, as well as his court case number, and it says "Court ordered re-payment". I do the math, and the check is for exactly 1/24th of what the guy owes me, to the penny. So I'm thinking, "cool, I'll get a check every month for the next 2 years". Well, that is the only check I ever got, and that was like 4 years ago! I called the phone number for the case agent, etc. and they just said, "You'll get whatever you get". Well, I got about $34.37! Could have been alot worse I guess.

    One other thing. The guy was comitting mail fraud as well. He was sending the rolls of Eagles in a box, but the shipping label was for a flat rate Priority Mail ENVELOPE, which is less than half the price what it should cost to send them. I showed it to my local PostMaster, and he didn't want anything to do with it!
    How do you punish/prosecute someone, if the people charged to do so, don't want to do it! I think that Detective probably had to hear alot of ear noise, before he did anything!
     
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    They need evidence for criminal charges.
     
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    Yep. Exactly. And it may not be your front porch.....it might be one night when you're getting in your car, or something along that line, and you are totally off guard.
     
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    Are you still able to do well with the fees you get charged?
     
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    I'm not a violent person, but I have heard plenty of stories of how people dealt with scammers by some rough justice, if you will. One coin dealer was telling me how if someone ripped you off badly enough you'd send someone after him and he'd break one of his limbs; if he still didn't pay you'd break another one or have the enforcer do it. There is a former military guy in our coin club and he says when I bring up scammers is tell the cops you want an police escort to his place because you have a buddy who likes hearing bones break. I doubt they would take it seriously but I also doubt that the offending party would want to press charges.

    Long term coin dealers will tell you how they got justice legally. One told me how the postal inspectors would put a hold on the fraudsters mail until justice was settled.
     
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    I heard a story at a recent coin show about how someone got a refund from Greenberg. The story came to me from a 3rd or 4th party, so I can not verify it but here goes: Greenberg owed Coinage Magazine money but they had been unable to collect and thrown him out about a year earlier. His account had been given to a collection agency with no results.
    The ad director at Coinage got a call and a letter from a ready who was owed nearly $3,000 for over 6 months for coins Greenberg did not deliever. Since the debt to the magazine is civil but this could be criminal he instructed the collector to be prepared to contact the Kings County DA in Brooklyn but told him he wanted to try something else first.
    He contacted the Chabad in Crown Heights Brooklyn and eventually got the phone number of Chaim's Rabbi. Using kind of a tactic that he was trying to do Greenberg a favor and keep him out of court and possibly jail he explained everything to the rabbi and faxed him the customer's complaint letters. All the rabbi told him that the Chabad could possibly do is take Greenberg to the Rabbinacal court.
    In a matter of a couple of weeks this customer got a full refund and Coinage got a check for most of what it was owed.

    Seems shaming him in his community might be the best way to get results.
     
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    It all depends on what you're selling. If you're selling straight bullion, I would never list on eBay as after all of the fees and hassle typically it isn't worth it. However for numi stuff eBay works out better for me than visiting the local shops. YMMV though :).
     
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    The gall of his ads where he promises high priced coins for a fraction of their value.

    http://chaimgreenberg.com/selllist.html

    And is that Chaim on the million dollar bill?

    He looks like this notorious man, just older.

    Jay-Gould-inside-small1.jpg
     
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    anyone bought from this dealer lately

    krag, any new news?
     
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    I tried contacting him about a "collection" as I got one of his mailings, a notorious scammer as far as I have seen no one has successfully sold to him like the well known buyers and dealers whose word is gold, your business suffers the death penalty in numismatics if your word is no good.

    So I get an email back claiming that he has done business with Jamie Diamond (sic) and then he corrects it to Jamie Dimon with his personal email: jamiedimon@jpmchase.com Not that that means anything as no letters of reference are visible on his site: http://www.therealdavid.com/ And then he keeps using "BSD" in his email which I take to be vulgar slang. What a cartoon character, if anyone trusted him he would be dangerous.
     
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    Just like driving by an auto wreck on the highway, you just have to look.

    Not throwing stones at Krag BUT.... My antivirus woke up when clicking on the http://www.therealdavid.com link.

    That too is a bad sign!
     
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