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Arizona Challenges the Fed’s Money Monopoly

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    Arizona Challenges the Fed’s Money Monopoly

    Written by Ron Paul
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    History shows that, if individuals have the freedom to choose what to use as money, they will likely opt for gold or silver.

    Of course, modern politicians and their Keynesian enablers despise the gold or silver standard. This is because linking a currency to a precious metal limits the ability of central banks to finance the growth of the welfare-warfare state via the inflation tax. This forces politicians to finance big government much more with direct means of taxation.

    Despite the hostility toward gold from modern politicians, gold played a role in US monetary policy for sixty years after the creation of the Federal Reserve. Then, in 1971, as concerns over the US government’s increasing deficits led many foreign governments to convert their holdings of US dollars to gold, President Nixon closed the gold window, creating America’s first purely fiat currency.

    America’s 46-year experiment in fiat currency has gone exactly as followers of the Austrian school predicted: a continuing decline in the dollar’s purchasing power accompanied by a decline in the standard of living of middle- and working-class Americans, a series of Federal Reserve-created booms followed by increasingly severe busts, and an explosive growth in government spending. Federal Reserve policies are also behind much of the increase in income inequality.

    Since the 2008 Fed-created economic meltdown, more Americans have become aware of the Federal Reserve's responsibility for America's economic problems. This growing anti-Fed sentiment is one of the key factors behind the liberty movement’s growth and represents the most serious challenge to the Fed's legitimacy in its history. This movement has made “Audit the Fed” into a major national issue that is now closer than ever to being signed into law.

    Audit the Fed is not the only focus of the growing anti-Fed movement. For example, this Wednesday the Arizona Senate Finance and Rules Committees will consider legislation (HB 2014) officially defining gold, silver, and other precious metals as legal tender. The bill also exempts transactions in precious metals from state capital gains taxes, thus ensuring that people are not punished by the taxman for rejecting Federal Reserve notes in favor of gold or silver. Since inflation increases the value of precious metals, these taxes give the government one more way to profit from the Federal Reserve’s currency debasement.

    HB 2014 is a very important and timely piece of legislation. The Federal Reserve’s failure to reignite the economy with record-low interest rates since the last crash is a sign that we may soon see the dollar’s collapse. It is therefore imperative that the law protect people’s right to use alternatives to what may soon be virtually worthless Federal Reserve notes.

    Passage of HB 2014 would also send a message to Congress and the Trump administration that the anti-Fed movement is growing in influence. Thus, passage of this bill will not just strengthen movements in other states to pass similar legislation; it will also help build support for the Audit the Fed bill and legislation repealing federal legal tender laws.

    This Wednesday I will be in Arizona to help rally support for HB 2014, speaking on behalf of the bill before the Arizona Senate Finance Committee at 9:00 a.m. I will also be speaking at a rally at noon at the Arizona state capitol. I hope every supporter of sound money in the Phoenix area joins me to show their support for ending the Fed’s money monopoly. Copyright © 2017 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.

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    Arizona Senate Committee Passes Bill To Treat Gold As Money, Remove Capital Gains Tax

    by Tyler Durden
    Mar 8, 2017 8:35 PM
    Via Michael Boldin of The Tenth Amendment Center,

    Today, an Arizona Senate Committee passed a bill that would eliminate state capital gains taxes on gold and silver specie, and encourage its use as currency. Final approval of the legislation would help undermine the Federal Reserve’s monopoly on money.

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    Former US Rep. Ron Paul testified today in the Senate Finance Committee in support of House Bill 2014 (HB2014). The legislation, which previously passed the state House by a 35-24 vote, would eliminate state capital gains taxes on income “derived from the exchange of one kind of legal tender for another kind of legal tender.” The bill defines legal tender as “a medium of exchange, including specie, that is authorized by the United States Constitution or Congress for the payment of debts, public charges, taxes and dues.” “Specie” means coins having precious metal content.

    In effect, passage of the bill would, as Paul noted, “legalize competition in a Constitutional fashion.”

    Under current Arizona law, gold and silver are subject to capital gains tax when exchanged for Federal Reserve notes, or when used in barter transactions. If the purchasing power of the Federal Reserve note has decreased due to inflation, the metals’ nominal dollar value generally rises and that triggers a “gain.” In most cases, of course, the capital gain is purely fictional. But these “gains” are still taxed — thus unfairly punishing people using precious metals as money.

    “We ought not to tax money, and that’s a good idea. It makes no sense to tax money,” said Paul. “Paper is not money, it’s a substitute for money and it’s fraud,” Paul continued, noting the importance of honesty money vs federal reserve notes.

    Today, the Senate Finance Committee passed the bill by a 4-3 vote along party lines.

    AN IMPORTANT STEP FORWARD

    Passage of HB2014 would remove the amount of any net capital gain derived from the exchange of one kind of legal tender for another kind of legal tender or specie (gold and silver coins) from their gross income on their state income tax. In other words, individuals buying gold or silver bullion, or utilizing gold and silver in a transaction, would no longer be subject to state taxes on the exchange.

    Bill sponsor Rep. Mark Finchem (R-Tucson) discussed this as well. “What the IRS has figured out at the federal level is to target inflation as a gain. They call it capital gains.” He noted that the bill would help Arizona residents “protect their conversion of one kind of currency for another.”

    Passage into law would mark an important step towards currency competition. If sound money gains a foothold in the marketplace against Federal Reserve notes, the people would be able to choose the time-tested stability of gold and silver over the central bank’s rapidly-depreciating paper currency. The freedom of choice expanded by HB2014 would allow Arizona residents to secure the purchasing power of their money.

    Ron Paul added that he considered the Arizona bill to be “very important” because it would also serve as an educational effort for other states. In fact, similar legislation is also under consideration in Idaho, Texas, Tennessee, Virginia, and Maine.

    “The responsibility is on the states to follow the constitution,” said Paul.

    BACKGROUND INFORMATION

    Currently, all debts and taxes in Arizona must be paid with either Federal Reserve Notes (dollars), authorized as legal tender by Congress, or with coins issued by the U.S. Treasury — very few of which have gold or silver in them.

    But the United States Constitution states in Article I, Section 10, “No State shall…make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.”

    The Arizona bills take a step towards that constitutional requirement, ignored for decades in every state. Such a tactic would undermine the monopoly or the Federal Reserve by introducing competition into the monetary system.

    Professor William Greene is an expert on constitutional tender and said when people in multiple states actually start using gold and silver instead of Federal Reserve Notes, it would effectively nullify the Federal Reserve and end the federal government’s monopoly on money.

    “Over time, as residents of the state use both Federal Reserve notes and silver and gold coins, the fact that the coins hold their value more than Federal Reserve notes do will lead to a “reverse Gresham’s Law” effect, where good money (gold and silver coins) will drive out bad money (Federal Reserve notes). As this happens, a cascade of events can begin to occur, including the flow of real wealth toward the state’s treasury, an influx of banking business from outside of the state – as people in other states carry out their desire to bank with sound money – and an eventual outcry against the use of Federal Reserve notes for any transactions.”

    Once things get to that point, Federal Reserve notes would become largely unwanted and irrelevant for ordinary people. Nullifying the Fed on a state by state level is what will get us there.

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    Ron Paul: Testimony in Support of Arizona Honest Money Bill, HB2014 on 03-08-17
    Tenth Amendment Center



    Published on Mar 8, 2017
    Ron Paul visited the Arizona state Senate Committee on Finance on Wed. March 8, 2017 to testify in support of what he called a "very important" honest money bill, HB2014.

    "If you want to have liberty and limit the size of government, you have to have honest money," said Paul.

    The proposed legislation would treat gold and silver as they should be under the Constitution - that is, as money. In doing so, the state would no longer tax "capital gains" on the exchange of federal reserve notes for gold/silver and vice versa.

    "We ought not to tax money - and that's a good idea. It makes no sense to tax money," said Paul.

    Passage into law would remove a major roadblock in the way of gold and silver being used by everyday people. As Paul noted, the legislation would be "legalizing competition in a constitutional fashion."

    The bill had previously passed the state House and after Paul's testimony, passed the Senate committee by a 4-3- vote. It will now need to pass the Senate rules committee and the full Senate before heading to the Governor's desk.

    Similar legislation is up for consideration in 2017 in Maine, Idaho, Alabama, Texas, and elsewhere.

    Thank you to the Arizona chapters of both the Campaign for Liberty and Tenth Amendment Center for all their work.
     
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    Arizona Legislature Ends Income Taxation on Gold and Silver


    -- Published: Wednesday, 10 May 2017

    By Jp Cortez


    Phoenix, Arizona (May 10th, 2017) – Sound money advocates scored a major victory today when the Arizona state senate voted 16-13 to remove all income taxation of precious metals at the state level. The measure heads to Governor Doug Ducey, who is expected to sign it into law.

    Under House Bill 2014, introduced by Representative Mark Finchem (R-Tucson), Arizona taxpayers will simply back out all precious metals “gains” and “losses” reported on their federal tax returns from the calculation of their Arizona adjusted gross income (AGI).

    If taxpayers own gold to protect themselves against the devaluation of America’s paper currency, thanks to the inflationary practices of the Federal Reserve, they frequently end up with a “gain” when exchanging those metals back into dollars. However, this is not necessarily a real gain in terms of a gain in actual purchasing power. This “gain” is often a nominal gain because of the slow but steady devaluation of the dollar. Yet the government nevertheless assesses a tax.

    Sound Money Defense League, former presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul, and Campaign for Liberty helped secure passage of HB 2014 because it begins to dismantle the Federal Reserve’s monopoly on money.

    “Arizona is helping lead the way in defending sound money and making it less difficult for citizens to protect themselves from the inflation and financial turmoil that flows from the abusive Federal Reserve System,” said Stefan Gleason, Director of the Sound Money Defense League.

    Dr. Ron Paul noted, “HB 2014 is a very important and timely piece of legislation. The Federal Reserve’s failure to reignite the economy with record-low interest rates since the last crash is a sign that we may soon see the dollar’s collapse. It is therefore imperative that the law protect people’s right to use alternatives to what may soon be virtually worthless Federal Reserve Notes.”

    A few state legislatures, including Utah and Idaho, have also taken steps toward eliminating income taxation on the monetary metals. Other states are rolling back sales taxes on gold and silver or setting up precious metals depositories to help citizens save and transact in gold and silver bullion.

    Read more about what states can do to promote sound money policies here.

    Jp Cortez is a graduate of Auburn University and a resident of Charlotte, North Carolina. He is a Mises University alumnus. He is the Assistant Director of the Sound Money Defense League, an organization working to bring back gold and silver as America's constitutional money. Follow him on twitter, @JpCortez27

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    Wait and see if all their federal funding is pulled.
    And if that happens, the entire population of the state should quit filing income tax imho.

    R.
     
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    Gold and Silver Bullion Now Treated As Money In Arizona


    -- Published: Wednesday, 24 May 2017

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    by Ron Paul Liberty Report staff

    Undermining the Federal Reserve received a major boost yesterday.

    Arizona Governor Doug Ducey signed into law a bill that eliminates capital gains taxes on gold and silver, thus allowing Arizona residents to use precious metals as currency instead of Federal Reserve notes.

    Currency competition against the monopolist Fed is starting to unfold. Let’s hope that other states follow in Arizona’s heroic footsteps. There’s no reason to wait for another severe financial crisis to act.

    Read Ron Paul’s statement via The Campaign For Liberty below:

    Campaign for Liberty Chairman Ron Paul and Campaign for Liberty President Norman Singleton issued the following statements regarding the Arizona Legislature’s passage — and Arizona Governor Doug Ducey’s signing — of HB 2014.

    HB 2014 defines gold, silver, and other precious metals as legal tender and exempts them from capital gains taxes, thus allowing Arizona residents to use precious metals instead of Federal Reserve notes.

    Dr. Paul testified before the Arizona Senate Finance Committee in support of the bill in March.

    Every supporter of free-markets should cheer Arizona’s passage of HB 2014. There is no more justification for forcing individuals to use government-created money than there is for forcing them to drive government-manufactured cars. In fact, as the Federal Reserve’s 114 years of failure shows, giving monopoly control over our money supply to a secretive central bank is the most dangerous form of government intervention,” said Dr. Ron Paul.

    “By allowing the people of Arizona to use an alternative to Federal Reserve-created fiat currency, HB 2014 will help the people of Arizona survive the next Federal Reserve-created recessions. Passage of this bill will also help make Arizona more attractive to the growing number of people seeking alternatives to fiat money in order to protect themselves, their families, and their business from the effects of Federal Reserve policy. Thus, this bill will help attract new investments and jobs to Arizona.

    “I hope other states follow Arizona’s lead and pass legislation protecting the right of their citizens to choose to use precious metals instead of the Federal Reserve’s consistently depreciating fiat currency,” continued Dr. Paul.

    “Congratulations to Arizona Campaign for Liberty for their successful efforts to pass HB 2014 through the Arizona Legislature and then convincing Governor Ducey to reverse positions and sign the bill into law,” said C4L President Norm Singleton. “Campaign for Liberty is planning to work with activists across the country to get more state legislatures to follow Arizona’s lead. We will also continue our critical work to change our nation’s money monopoly by getting Congress to vote on — and pass — Audit the Fed.”

    Full article courtesy of Ron Paul Liberty Report

    News and Commentary

    Gold firm as market awaits Fed policy cues (Reuters.com)

    U.K.’s May Warns Further Terrorist Attacks Could Be Imminent (Bloomberg.com)

    Chinese Stocks Drop With Aussie on Moody’s Cut (Bloomberg.com)

    Kashkari adds to dovish caution on rate hikes at Fed (Reuters.com)

    New-home sales tumble in April after soaring to 10-year high in March (MarketWatch.com)

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    The Great Reset: How Should We Then Invest? (MauldinEconomics.com)

    Billion-Dollar Gold Dream Lures Mining Maverick Out of Hiatus (Bloomberg.com)

    Stop procrastinating and buy bitcoin now (StansBerryChurcHouse.com)

    Gold & Silver Now Treated As Money In Arizona (RonPaulLibertyReport.com)

    UK Deploys Army As Terror Threat Raised To Critical, May Warns “More Attacks Imminent” (ZeroHedge.com)


    Gold Prices (LBMA AM)

    24 May: USD 1,251.35, GBP 963.29 & EUR 1,119.58 per ounce
    23 May: USD 1,259.90, GBP 969.62 & EUR 1,119.17 per ounce
    22 May: USD 1,255.25, GBP 967.17 & EUR 1,123.07 per ounce
    19 May: USD 1,251.85, GBP 962.17 & EUR 1,122.03 per ounce
    18 May: USD 1,261.35, GBP 968.21 & EUR 1,133.95 per ounce
    17 May: USD 1,244.60, GBP 961.70 & EUR 1,122.13 per ounce
    16 May: USD 1,234.05, GBP 958.98 & EUR 1,117.93 per ounce

    Silver Prices (LBMA)

    24 May: USD 17.03, GBP 13.14 & EUR 15.22 per ounce
    23 May: USD 17.14, GBP 13.22 & EUR 15.25 per ounce
    22 May: USD 16.95, GBP 13.04 & EUR 15.10 per ounce
    19 May: USD 16.77, GBP 12.90 & EUR 15.02 per ounce
    18 May: USD 16.81, GBP 12.90 & EUR 15.10 per ounce
    17 May: USD 16.90, GBP 13.03 & EUR 15.22 per ounce
    16 May: USD 16.72, GBP 12.97 & EUR 15.13 per ounce

    http://www.goldcore.com/us/

    http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1495631832.php
     
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    Arizona Ends Income Taxation on Gold and Silver Coins


    -- Published: Wednesday, 24 May 2017

    Arizona Governor Doug Ducey Greenlights House Bill 2014, Removing Income Tax from Certain Precious Metals at the State Level

    Phoenix, Arizona (May 23rd, 2017) – Sound money advocates rejoiced today as House Bill 2014 became the law in Arizona. HB 2014, which passed in the Arizona state Senate on May 10th by a margin of 16-13, removes all income taxation of precious metals coins at the state level.

    Under House Bill 2014, introduced by Representative Mark Finchem (R-Tucson), Arizona taxpayers will simply back out all “gains” and “losses” on any precious metals that are in legal tender form and reported on their federal tax returns from the calculation of their Arizona adjusted gross income (AGI).

    If taxpayers own gold or silver to protect themselves against the devaluation of America’s paper currency, thanks to the inflationary practices of the Federal Reserve, they frequently end up with a “gain” when exchanging those metals back into dollars. However, this is not necessarily a real gain in terms of a gain in actual purchasing power. This “gain” is often a nominal gain because of the slow but steady devaluation of the dollar. Yet the government nevertheless assesses a tax.

    Sound Money Defense League, former presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul, and Campaign for Liberty helped secure passage of HB 2014 because it begins to dismantle the Federal Reserve’s monopoly on money.

    “Arizona is helping lead the way in defending sound money and making it less difficult for citizens to protect themselves from the inflation and financial turmoil that flows from the abusive Federal Reserve System,” said Stefan Gleason, Director of the Sound Money Defense League.

    Dr. Ron Paul noted, “HB 2014 is a very important and timely piece of legislation. The Federal Reserve’s failure to reignite the economy with record-low interest rates since the last crash is a sign that we may soon see the dollar’s collapse. It is therefore imperative that the law protect people’s right to use alternatives to what may soon be virtually worthless Federal Reserve Notes.”

    A few state legislatures, including Utah and Idaho, have also taken steps toward eliminating income taxation on the monetary metals. Other states are rolling back sales taxes on gold and silver or setting up precious metals depositories to help citizens save and transact in gold and silver bullion.

    Read more about what states can do to promote sound money policies here.

    The Sound Money Defense League is a national grassroots organization opposing federal and state policies that undermine the dollar and steal purchasing power from the American people.

    http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1495634940.php
     
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    Well I'll be dog gone!

    Yippeekayay indeed, ...sure glad I moved, about 3 years ago, a mere 38 miles from my old driveway in California to my new driveway in Arizona... I'm liking this state more & more! Just freaking brilliant doing it at the state level. I wonder if we can pass at the state level that no one can run for Congress from this state if they have already served 2 terms there collectively?!! ?..and Arizona could then drain the RINO McCain! Term Limits was promised by Trump during the campaign, but noway will Congress vote to drain _themselves_ from the swamp, so maybe we can "getter done" state by state?

    I may have to actually register to vote here after all! (...now, what did I do with that Russian passport?)...just kidding, I'm not a Russian ...in fact, I'm just a taking my time .

    This is really great news! Alright Arizona!!!

    It'll be interesting to see how the federal swamp dwellers and the nefarious powers that be respond to this development.
     
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    Louisiana Ends Sales Tax on Gold And Silver Bullion


    -- Published: Monday, 26 June 2017

    Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards Signs House Bill 396 to Remove Sales Tax from Certain Precious Metals



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    Baton Rouge, Louisiana -- Sound money advocates rejoiced as Governor John Bel Edwards signed House Bill 396 into law in recent days. HB 396, which passed in the Louisiana state house and senate earlier this month by overwhelming majorities, removes state sales taxation of precious metals, specifically gold, silver, and platinum coins and ingots.

    Representative Stephen Dwight (R-Lake Charles) and Representative Mark Abraham (R-Lake Charles) introduced HB 396 with the goal of encouraging precious metals purchasers to keep more of their investment dollars inside the state rather making investments elsewhere.

    The bill impacts purchases of platinum, gold, or silver bullion that is valued solely upon its precious metal content, whether in coin or ingot form. It also impacts numismatic coins that have a sales price of no more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) and numismatic coins that are sold at a national, statewide, or multi-parish numismatic trade show.

    The Sound Money Defense League made the case to Louisiana legislators that charging sales taxes on money itself is beyond the pale. In effect, those states that collect taxes on purchases of precious metals are inherently saying gold and silver are not money at all.

    “Louisiana has taken a meaningful step forward with the passage of HB 396. Thanks to the efforts of Representatives Dwight and Abraham and grassroot supporters, it is now less difficult for Louisiana citizens to protect themselves from the inflationary practices of the Federal Reserve,” said Jp Cortez, Assistant Director of the Sound Money Defense League.

    “While Louisiana still levies income taxes on the monetary metals, HB 396 removes one barrier for citizens to avoid the inherent losses in purchasing power when holding savings in Federal Reserve Notes.”

    The Sound Money Defense League pointed out that charging sales taxes on purchasing the monetary metals was tantamount to charging 7-cent tax after asking a gas station attendant to exchange a dollar bill into four quarters.

    “By putting a sales tax on gold and silver when other states do not, our coin dealers are at an economic disadvantage. Instead of a sales tax creating an increase in state revenue it would actually be a state revenue decrease because gold and silver dealers lost an average of over 80% of sales and reduced their income tax to the state. Therefore, by removing the sales tax we actually helped our dealers and kept our state revenue from declining,” said Representative Abraham.

    Local Louisiana dealers will still need to contend with extremely attractive pricing offered by national precious metals dealers with substantial buying power such as Money Metals Exchange, but the end of the state’s sales tax gives them a much better shot at winning in-state customer business.

    Louisiana has now joined the ranks of the 25 other states that do not levy sales taxes on precious metals at all, and the 34 states that include at least a partial exemption on levying sales taxes on precious metals purchases. Other states have advanced legislation to eliminate income taxation on gold and silver (Arizona, Utah, and Idaho) or set up precious metals depositories to help citizens save and transact in gold and silver bullion (Texas and Tennessee).

    Learn more about what states are doing to promote sound money policies here.

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    Sound Money Defense League is a national grassroots organization working to bring back gold and silver as America's constitutional money.

    http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1498489320.php
     
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    Good on Louisiana! There should be no sales tax on money.
     
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    Then there is this:
    Notice the words... paper is not money, it is a substitute for money...
    now these words... We ought not tax money,....

    can you see the play on words? We should not tax money...paper is not money........darn it ... the people in Denmark are eating rotting fish again.
     
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    Amazing how little media coverage there was of this.
     
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    Come on, Kentucky, join the bandwagon!

    I'd like to spend my money here but they tax money!
     
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    Wow this is huge. I can't believe the banksters allowed this to happen. All we need is one state. If metals skyrocket (which I believe they will at some point), one can now set up a second residence (rent a $500 hole in the wall), "move" to AZ for a year, or setup a trust or legal entity in AZ when it comes time to cash out a huge gain. This is like securing the beachhead in Normandy.

    btw...I didn't hear a peep about this anywhere until now and I follow alternative media too. Crazy.
     
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    More and more states are waking up... counties and cities and towns should too.


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    Strange because people seem to be getting dumber.
     
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