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ATB 'P' Mint Mark Coin Thread

Discussion in 'PM's - Coins - Numis - Base Metals' started by chief, Apr 27, 2011.



  1. HistoryStudent

    HistoryStudent Midas Member Midas Member

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    And the supply (for many made-up reasons) just AIN'T there to satisfy the demand - is it?
     
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    65,000 combined mintage total (bullion + "P") is my understanding too for the Bombay Hook puck. I might be wrong on this but I believe that 65,000 was the same combined mintage also applied to the Homestead, Kisatchie and Blue Ridge Pucks.

    My take on this is that with $14.50 spot, the Bombay "P" puck is going to sell for more than 2X spot on Oct. 8 ($149.95 + shipping) so, despite the higher premium during the presale, the bullion version is going to sell out well before the "P" version will and that means to me that the "P" version will still be available on the U.S. Mint website. It is going to take a long while before the Bombay "P" reaches 20,000 at the current price point of $149.95 (+shipping) when spot is at these current levels.
     
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    There will probably be a higher premium during the Saratoga presale than with the Bombay Hook presale especially if spot silver goes down from current levels and demand for silver overall continues to increase.

    I would not be surprised to see higher mintages for Saratoga and for the 2016 pucks we will have to see what happens.
     
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    The Blue Ridge Parkway P puck has been on sale for a couple of days under 3 months and has not reached 17,000 in sales. The Bombay Hook will be the same. The premium is just too high to consider it a silver play. $30/ounce is not a wise metal buy....numismatic? Maybe...but not as silver
     
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    I agree. As long as the Blue Ridge "P" puck is at the $149.95 (+ shipping) price range and spot is in the $14-$16 range, then it will take a very long time for the BR "P" puck to reach 20,000 in sales. The same goes for the Bombay "P" at $149.95 (+shipping) when it gets released Oct. 8. IMO the "P" pucks are modern numismatic plays. As long as you have an environment of $14-$16 spot and high premiums on other types of silver such as 90% and SAE's, then the mintages on the ATB bullion pucks will continue to be 45,000 and higher for future bullion pucks.
     
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    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Ah, but todays numismatic dinosaurs (for reasons such as current market price, popularity, design, etc...) often turn into tomorrow's coveted rarities.
     
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    That is a good point. Only time will tell if some of the "P" pucks (besides 2012 "P" pucks) become those coveted rarities.
     
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    Like the wise one of this board said before, anything silver with sub 20k mintage is a home run. A complete set will get the women ovulating.
     
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    Been checking A***x and they are and have been sold out of all P issues for 2012 and 2013. I'm thinking these are doing the fine wine aging thing. I can wait.

    "All things old were once new"
     
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    Funny I just busted out the whole set of "P's" and pondered selling them and quitting the series. Think I'll keep them around a little longer.
     
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    If this series were one ounce coins, versus the 5 ounce that they are, it would have taken off like gang busters in my opinion. I'm guessing several factors figure in the tepid response to the Pucks. Collectors are used to standard sized coins. The price is a factor as well. Seems stuff under the hundred buck threshold are more attractive. I'm basically all in on this series. After getting the first one, I was hooked! When people finally come around, this could be a new silver rocket. I'm hoping that of course!
     
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    Definitely a bit pricey, but attractive for someone who wants to jump right in with half the set already under their belt.

    Seems like a couple of those coins would probably benefit from a quick dip.
     
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    Dip? In what solution? I've always heard any type of cleaning, or dipping destroys the numismatic value of a coin instantly. A grading service will state that a coin is cleaned when they receive them for grading. I have been seeing a few Pucks with toning lately on Ebay. Wonder if people are taking them out of the capsules and handling them?
     
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    I've dipped one or two coins in Acetone over the years. Haven't tried an ATB yet, but dipping the coins took care of any marks.
     
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    There are a lot of solutions out there like E-Z-est and MS70. If dipped carefully and correctly it shouldn't cause noticeable damage. This is not true for any kind of mechanical cleaning, which will cause irreparable harm to the coin.
     
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    Only 46 Blue Ridge Parkway 5 oz left for sale at the moment from the Mint. Bombay Hook has been reduced to 20K max. mintage and will be released tomorrow. Looks like mintages similar to 2013.
     
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    For that reason, I think the Bombay "P" is a no- brainer.
     
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    "Currently unavailable" a.k.a sold out
     
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    Actually it is the Blue Ridge "P" puck that is "currently unavailable" (i.e. sold out) when I went to the following U.S. Mint link:

    http://catalog.usmint.gov/blue-ridge-parkway-5-oz-silver-quarter-coin-uncirculated-SN3.html

    Since that it is the case, then it appears that the Blue Ridge Parkway "P" puck might have an actual mintage under 20,000 (Max. mintage = 20,000). It is currently at 17,201 as of Oct. 4, 2015 according to U.S. Cummulative sales link:

    http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/cumulativeSalesStatistics/index.cfm?PageNum=1&StartRow=1&i=1


    The Bombay "P" puck will go on sale tomorrow at 12 Noon on the U.S. Mint website at the following link:

    http://catalog.usmint.gov/bombay-ho...in-SN4.html?cgid=null#q=bombay%20hook&start=1


    It appears that the mintages for the 2015 "P" pucks will be fairly low but not near as low as the 2012 "P" pucks.
     
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    Yup...hard to be sold out before it actually is being sold
     
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    My bad. I was cornfused.
     
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    I will have to admit that I wrong in that the Blue Ridge "P" puck would never sell out on the U.S. Mint site at the price that it was selling at with current spot price level. It will be interesting to see what the final mintage will be for the Blue Ridge "P". I guess we will not know that for a while.
     
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    It will be interesting to see how fast the Bombay Hook "P" will sell out (if it does sell out). With it being very similar to Everglades, it could take longer for it to sell out than the BR "P" did. From what I had read and saw, it took a while for Everglades to finally sell out but then again, mintage for the Everglades was much higher than what the maximum mintage will be for Bombay Hook "P" (max. mintage = 20,000).
     
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    So much seems determined by popularity in this series. Much higher mintage, but more "popular" coins selling for higher premiums, etc. The Mt. Rushmore is the highest mintage of the 2013 coins, yet demands the highest prices. Maybe Smoky Mountains is close.
     
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    You will get a very close number on Tuesday....subject to returns and cancelled orders of course. It should be around 17,300
     
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    I will be on the lookout for those latest numbers next Tuesday (October 13). That Blue Ridge Parkway "P" would be the latest puck that would have a final mintage of under 20,000 unless the Homestead and Kisachie "P" pucks end up also having final numbers under 20,000.
     
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    Watch the economy and watch the price of silver. That said, the future waits to be seen. The absolute failure of production of silver eagles is pushing
    the sales of the bullion coins - no matter what they are - as long as they are in silver.

    Like the head of the COMEX JUST said, "when supply goes dead; price will control."
     
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    Yeah popularity is a factor in the numi value of the pucks. The Smoky Mountains "P" does command a high premium mainly because of the popularity despite the relatively high mintage number. Design can also play a factor imo. For example, It is certainly possible that the Blue Ridge P puck will have the highest value based on low mintage and the design which is the best design of the 2015 P pucks IMO. We will see.
     
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    That makes sense to me and that demand for silver was, for example IMO, witnessed in the rapidly increasing premium for the latest presale of the ATB Bombay Hook bullion puck.
     
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    When all is said and done this time period is much like the early coin collectors had from 1850 to 1920s.

    Everything is coming out new.

    A - Some saw the mint marks and new issues not selling as an opportunity,
    B - some saw that the precious metals (gold & silver) put a floor under the intrinsic worth,
    C - some saw that the US Mint was not making a lot of these PM coins, and if bought prudently down-the-road
    they MIGHT be valuable - like the 1915 $50 gold pieces from the Pan Am Expo. Or even their 1915 $2.50 gold piece.

    Nothing ever changes: as the French say, the more things change - the more they look the same -

    AS A - above is exploding with coins issued.

    B - still means something.

    And C - is in all gold coins issued under, say, 6,000 units per type - MS or PF; all silver coins
    issued MS, PF, or SP under, say, 20,000 units.

    Remember the premiums in the days of "yesteryear" killed the populations from thee mint in production -
    just like today. ie. - the $50 Pan Am coins in 1915 were $100 and that for the lower classes was a month's pay.
     
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    As of Oct. 11, 2015, the numbers are for the following ATB "P" pucks:

    Bombay "P" = 14,433

    Blue Ridge "P" = 17,321

    Kisatchie "P" = 18,077

    Homestead "P" = 19.616


    Hey, Foxwoods Man, that was a good call on the Blue Ridge "P". :)
     
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    I thought BRP was sold out, but it is back on the mint site again. At least 99 still remaining at this point.
     
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    I thought it was sold out too. I also saw it back on the US Mint web site. Very interesting indeed. Maybe some were returned back to the U.S. Mint???? Maybe they were holding back some???? Honestly, I do not know.
     
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    Also, the Sand Dunes "P" puck is listed as "currently unavailable", rather than "sold out". I think that's what it said for the Blue Ridge last week.
     
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    Yeah I think I do remember it saying "currently unavailable" regarding the Blue Ridge "P". In this case, it still remains to be seen if the Blue Ridge "P" can reach the max. mintage of 20,000. I am sure that it will eventually be able to sell the remaining 2,679 BR "P" pucks but it will take time given that it is selling for nearly 2X melt on the U.S, Mint web site. It was currently at 17,321 when I last checked the U.S. Mint cumulative sales web site.
     
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    ..or, they minted more and will go for the 20k total
     
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    Minting to current demand up to the 20,000 max. mintage. There is apparently still a demand for them despite the nearly 2X melt price that is priced at on the U.S. Mint web site. It will also be interesting how the Bombay "P" will do since it is already at 14,433 (out of a max. 20,000 mintage).
     

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