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Bannon’s Breitbart tears into Trump after Afghanistan speech

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  1. mayhem

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    And Eric Prince's company needs more $$. The slime ball sitting before congress testifying how he company can solve Afghan's problems. To bad R E Lee didn't destroy that town when he had the chance.
     
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    Trump signs on to the forever war in Afghanistan
    • By FAREED ZAKARIA
    • 7 hrs ago

    There is surely no greater sign of the bankruptcy of American foreign policy than its Afghanistan policy. After 15 years of war and the deployment of hundreds of thousands of troops, a new president entered the Oval Office poised to fundamentally change that policy. Within months he presented, with great fanfare, a continuation of the same. The result: The United States is now firmly locked into its forever war in Afghanistan.

    President Trump's policy differs from the one he inherited only in the addition of 4,000 more troops. Trump vows to eschew nation-building, emphasize counterterrorism, end corruption in Afghanistan, and hold Pakistan accountable. President Obama promised all the same things. "It is time to focus on nation-building here at home," Obama said in 2011, explaining his shift in approach from President George W. Bush's strategy.

    Trump's remarks on Pakistan were seen by many as a strong break from the previous administration, but people appear to have forgotten the unusually blunt testimony that Adm. Mike Mullen, then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, gave to Congress in 2011. He called the Haqqani network, one of the most dangerous terrorist groups in Afghanistan, "a veritable arm of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency." That same year, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and then-CIA Director David Petraeus both went to Pakistan to, in Clinton's words, "push the Pakistanis very hard" to end their support for the Haqqanis. The pressure was one in a series of actions that outraged the Pakistanis, causing them to shut down supply routes to American-led forces in Afghanistan for seven months.

    In expressing support for Trump's open-ended commitment, House Speaker Paul Ryan used the tired old saying that the U.S. has the watches, but the Taliban has the time. "If they believe that we have some end date, some timetable, then they will wait us out," he said. But this fundamentally misunderstands the nature of this type of overseas struggle. The Taliban will wait us out for a very simple reason. They live there.

    Harry Summers, a wise army officer in the Vietnam War who went on to write a definitive book on that conflict's military lessons, opened the book by recounting an exchange he had with a North Vietnamese officer in 1975, just before Saigon fell. "You know you never defeated us on the battlefield," Summers said. The officer replied, "That may be so, but it is also irrelevant." Every local force knows one thing in its bones: Eventually, the foreigners have to go home.

    Why are the Taliban gaining ground in Afghanistan? I asked The New Yorker's Dexter Filkins, one of the keenest observers of that war. "Ordinary Afghans don't like the Taliban. But they dislike the Afghan government even more. We say we don't want to do nation-building, but you can't build an army without first building a state. People don't die for an army; they die for a country. And who wants to die for the current Afghan government?"

    The American military on the ground knows the problem well, which is why they refer to the Afghan government as a collection of corrupt networks that extend across the country. In true military fashion, they even have an acronym for it, VICE -- vertically integrated criminal enterprise.

    A leading expert on Afghanistan policy, Barnett Rubin, who has advised the United Nations and the U.S. government, explains the problem differently. "The Afghan state cannot exist without outside help," he told me. "It cannot pay its bills without the U.S. government. It cannot have a stable society without Pakistan's help. It cannot grow economically without trade and transit with Iran."

    Referring to reports that Afghanistan is endowed with nearly $1 trillion in mineral resources, he wryly observed, "I'm sure the moon has even more mineral wealth, but you need a way to get it out to markets. And for that you need friendly neighbors." Rubin believes that Trump's approach is doomed because it seems willfully oblivious to the interests of the other powers in the region, especially Russia, China and Iran.

    Meanwhile, the Trump administration has doubled down on more of the same. More money, bombs, troops, pressure on Pakistan and tough love for the Afghans. It is a tactical approach, designed by generals, to ensure that they do not lose. But it does not even pretend to contain a strategy to win. In other words, half a century later, at a lower human cost, the United States has replicated its strategy in Vietnam. Call it quagmire-lite.

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    Fareed Zakaria writes a foreign affairs column for The Post. He is also the host of CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS and a contributing editor for The Atlantic. Email: comments@fareedzakaria.com.

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    We should have taken out the Taliban, packed our things and gotten out. 3 months tops. Should never have gone into Iraq (I was a believer in 2003, but have different opinion today).
     
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    Bush II, Obama, now Trump in Afghanistan. Bush was certain he wanted in, Obama wanted out, Trump wanted out, but look what's happening. We're rededicating ourselves to more troops, more bombs, bullets and destroyed lives, both ours and theirs. This all proves one big thing that we all know already. The real power in America are the superbankers, the megacorporations, the military industrial complex and the intelligence agencies. No president is powerful enough to defy them for long.
     
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    Barry was an epic disgrace.

    Bush the lesser was disgraceful.

    Neither ex-POTUS nearly as vile and despicable as Bill and HRC.

    POTUS Trump is unorthodox, loud and offensive, and I especially love it when he goes for the throat of the MSM.

    I call that Grace under Fire.
     
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    'Shut up' and 'go away': White House aides are already tired of hearing from Steve Bannon as the former chief strategist gives major interview to '60 Minutes' – part of the media he used to attack as the 'opposition party'
    • Former White House colleagues of Steve Bannon are incensed that he's sitting down for an interview with '60 Minutes' host Charlie Rose
    • Bannon once called reporters 'the opposition party' and challenged them to 'shut up'
    • Now the aides who used to be his coworkers are giving him the same advice
    • 'For someone who liked to trash talk the media, Bannon sure is kissing up to them a lot, no?' one White House aide asked on Wednesday
    • 'Now that he's gone he can showboat all he wants, I guess, but it's just going to underscore what a lousy, lousy team player he always was,' said another
    • One aide granted that 'Steve helped get us here,' but added that 'it would be nice if he'd just go away'
    • Bannon did not respond to requests for comment; his '60 Minutes' interview will air Sunday and extended footage will be seen on Rose's Monday PBS show


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4858902/White-House-aides-trash-Bannon-60-minutes-interview.html#ixzz4rvVlFg6A
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    Former White House colleagues...Now the aides who used to be his coworkers....one White House aide asked on Wednesday....said another....One aide granted...one White House official told DailyMail.com

    Not one name, not one source, nary a one. The entire article is made up propaganda.
    Never knew being a "news reporter" was such an easy job. Just make shit up and get paid by the word.

    from the comments:
    Robert Sertero, Hoover, United States, 3 minutes ago

    No source = Fake News


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    Think I'll be a little to busy to watch even if I had a TV set. Wife wanted to buy one of the portable ones but I shut that down. Who wants to watch a TV with the topic will only be about your own demise. I think it is starting to sink in that we just might not come out the back side of this.

    So in my best Haitian Voodoo, go away Irma, shoo, get lost.
     
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    Steve Bannon says Donald Trump made the biggest mistake in 'modern political history' by firing FBI Director James Comey
    • Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon says the firing of FBI Director James Comey may have been the biggest mistake in 'modern political history'
    • Bannon confirmed he opposed President Donald Trump's decision to oust Comey, calling the FBI 'an institution'
    • Ousted White House adviser also said that if Comey hadn't been fired, 'We would not have the Mueller investigation,' referring to special counsel Robert Mueller
    • Bannon also took aim Sunday at current and former Republican leaders, including former President George W. Bush and his administration
    • He called Republican national security officials who had served in the George W. Bush administration 'idiots'


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    I thought Trump wasn't a politician...

    The moment trump surrounded himself with Goldman Sachs bankers, I knew there would be little difference between him and Hillary, about the same difference between bush43 and obama.

    Still people parade trump as a savior.
     
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    Bannon's revenge on the swamp: Ex-Trump aide plots primary challenges against string of Republicans who crossed him
    • Former White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon is eyeing Republican Senate primary seats in his battle with Minority Leader Mitch McConnell
    • He's been meeting with potential candidates at the so-called Breitbart Embassy, where he lives and runs Breitbart News from since leaving the White House
    • Bannon slammed the Republican establishment in his lengthy 60 Minutes interview, claiming they're trying to 'nullify' President Trump's election


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