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CABG X5

Discussion in 'Topical Discussions (In Depth)' started by BarnacleBob, Oct 24, 2017.



  1. BarnacleBob

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    Fifty-seven (57) days ago I underwent a CABG X5 (open heart coronary artery bypass graft surgery).

    https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/mobileart.asp?articlekey=2841

    The 6.5 hour procedure went well with no complications. I received five (5) by-passes. The blockages were discovered by accident, hence I never experienced either a heart attack or stroke. The "widow maker" artery (LAD) was 90+% blocked.

    https://myheart.net/articles/the-widowmaker/

    The medical indistry has been practicing CABG surgery for over 50 years. Needless to say they have the procedure, recovery & rehabitation down to an art. The only real complaint I could state lays in the Rx of 80 mg/daily avostatin (Lipitor). The side effects of this statin drug are just aweful.

    The 13 minute vid below illustrates the procedure.



     
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    Cardiac Surgery Preps: (5 mins)

     
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    Bob

    Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

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    Glad you are okay. You had the best outcome for someone who did not know they had in an issue.
     
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    Turned 60 yoa last April... acid reflux (GERD) started to become acute. At times the reflux felt like a horse kicking me in the chest, which went away when an antacid was chewed. Never had any pain in the left arm or side. Our GP (general practitioner) was suspect that it was more than just reflux and ran a EKG/ECG which showed an abnormal T wave on the chart. The suspected abnormality was enuff to justify a cardiac stress test. Went in on a Friday afternoon for the stress test. After the tread mill test was completed, the nurses called the cardiogist into the room as they thought I was gonna have a heart attack post the stress test. They sent me home with specific instructions, nitro glycerine & set me up with an emergency appointment to catherize my heart early Monday morning.

    Going into the catherization I thought worst case scenario would be a couple of stents as I played golf on Tuesday & Thursday prior to the stress test. After the catherization the cardiogist stated I had at least three obstructions that couldnt be stented. He said I was going to be immediately admitted & scheduled for emergency surgery the next morning. I never suspected that I was a candidate for open heart surgery... as I was very active & did not outwardly exhibit any of the symptoms of heart disease. I had slowed down & was a bit tired but I thought that was just a part of the aging process. Surprise, surprise I was!

    Both the thoracic surgeon & cardiogist said that the bullet missed me, namely that I had escaped a killer "widow maker" heart attack & any heart muscle damage if I had survived. That the only cardiac problem were the blockages. I sure got lucky as statistically 98% dont survive a widow maker centered heart attack.....

    If it hadnt been for the acid reflux necessitating the cardio tests I was told I prolly wouldnt have lived more than another 30 - 45 days w/o a terminal heart attack.
     
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    Glad you guys are okay, but I am getting depressed right behind you. I take CoQ10 and drink a lot of aloe vera juice.
     
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    Thank you for telling your story as I was wondering if looking back in hindsight there were any indications at all. As an example - there have been many times where I thought boy that person does not look too good because their overall color was grey instead of a rosiness or proper skin color, then I hear later that they had a heart attack.
     
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    Wife unit is getting a run-around with cardiologist and pulmonary docs. She had an nuclear stress test yesterday and they want her to go tomorrow for more tests. Wish one of these specialists could pinpoint what is going on.
     
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    I had the nuke stress test too... its like a sonogram for the heart. They inject a radiated die in your veins then take images. Possibly cardiologist suggests something more than just blockages??? The nuke test has a lot of limitations as a test.

    I was quite impressed with the cardiogists, thoracic surgeons & cardio nursing staffs. They know their stuff.... They'll find whatever it is & fix it!

    I smoked tobacco for 48 yrs., breathing was a lil hard & harsh after the surgery... havent smoked a nail in 61 days. Dont intend to ever smoke cigarettes again....

    My golfing partner is a retired M.D., I telephoned him after the catherization asking for his advice & opinion. He basically advised me to pay close attention to all of the commands by the M.D.'s, N.P.'s & care givers. Informing me to do everything they asked, said if I did that, everything would be ok. He was correct.... I followed his advice & everything went smooth as silk...

    @ Crocket.... that was the oddity, my skin tone & color was fine, eyes clear, breathing, strength & stamina good, etc.... that was until I was stress tested on the tread mill. The nurses & cardiologist continually monitored me expecting me to go into cardiac arrest at any moment.... I could tell by their behavior that it was serious. Didnt tell the wife how serious it was, she learned after the catherization.
     
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    Trust me, never say never. I thought I was done with them after my surgery. There is a strong sense of comfort that goes with the sticks. After 4 months, I went for that feel good. Just one. I've done some stupid things in my life but that topped them all by far. Big mistake because it was almost like I never stopped. If you ever get the urge to light one up, fight it with all your might. Best wishes all around to you, BarnacleBob.
     
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    Thanks for sharing. Just curious, do you drink alcohol, and if so how much on average?
     
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    I was a binge drinker, mostly beer or tequilla for many years. Stopped drinking about 4 yrs ago, with the occasional social drinks 4 or 5 times annually. Just lost the taste for it....
     
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    Thanks for sharing Bob. Glad you're OK.

    Like others I'm curious also. What about your diet? Would you say you've eaten the typical American diet before your surgery?
     
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    My Dad died at age 71 of congestive heart failure. My wiges dad died at age 66 with heart disease. Both of them had 3 open heart surgeries to repair THE problems THEY caused & created.

    Neither of them exercised, quit smoking, stopped drinking excessive amounts of caffeine, or restricted their diets. They just kept eating salt, high fat & processed foods while smoking away & drinking coffee by the buckets. They were overconfident that the pharma drugs would control it all..... and it killed them both!

    I dont intend to voluntarilly go thru this procedure again.... A return to smoking would be the equivalent of a death sentence for me.... If I light up for ANY reason, I know I'm as good as dead!

    What we have done is to create a new normal, no smoking, no alcohol, got on a mediteranean diet, and excersize daily, usually walking 3 - 5 miles per day.
     
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    Good luck. I really hope you can make the necessary lifestyle and habit changes to promote lasting health.

    I asked about the alcohol because I was reading lately that moderate alcohol consumption can reduce the likelihood of clogged arteries by 40%. I've never had a drop of alcohol in my life, but I've been thinking lately of adding 4 oz. of wine to my dinner. Also, I've been reading that moderate to heavy alcohol consumption greatly reduces the likelihood of dementia (and this runs in my family). One thing that makes me hesitate to start drinking alcohol is the example it will set to my kids. I'm 42 now with 4 kids at home. I'm inclined to think that I should not start medicating with wine until the are grown and gone. I'd be about 50 then.
     
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    Probably, the last decade my diet has been more natural & organic, omitting many processed & fried foods.

    My Wife & I had blood tests 6 months ago... we for all intents & purposes eat & drink the same substances. My cholesteral levels were much higher than hers, even tho I exercise & engage in sports activities. Which ancedotally proves that most of this is genetics at work.

    I think diet & smoking are contributors, but it seems that genetics may be the major contributor & triggering event.

    Make no mistake, there is a heart disease epidemic underway & its effecting every age & ethnic group.... it looks like its diet related, but I'm not to sure about it.....
     
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    Thanks for sharing BB, glad you were able to!
     
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    Thanks Bob. Shiny side up.

    To echo FF. Glad you were able to.

    Golden Regards
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    My wife has been a heart surgical nurse for over 30 years. What they can do now would have qualified as sci-fi when she began.

    My wife just attended a class for implanting new pacemakers the size of a large capsule directly into the heart. No more leads to cause infections. Good for ten years. With up to four follow up replacement implants. Most likely they’ll shrink in size as time goes by.

    Most of the new pacemakers and implantable defibrillators report to your smartphone and upload the data to your doctors.
     
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    And yet there is no more news on the development of such drugs that would obsolete most ($250,000+) CABG surgeries!

    ‘Liquid Drano’ for the arteries

    The Associated Press
    Nov. 4 — Intravenous doses of a synthetic component of “good” cholesterol reduced artery disease in just six weeks in a small study with startlingly big implications for treating the nation’s No. 1 killer. “The concept is sort of liquid Drano for the coronary arteries,” said Dr. Steven Nissen, a Cleveland Clinic cardiologist who led the study.

    Larger and longer studies need to be done to determine if the experimental treatment will translate into fewer deaths, but the early results are promising, said Dr. Daniel Rader, director of preventive cardiology at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.

    The treatment used a laboratory-produced version of an unusually effective form of HDL, the good cholesterol that helps protect against heart disease by removing plaque, or fatty buildups, from the bloodstream.

    “This is clearly on the level of a breakthrough that will have far-reaching implications,” pointing the way toward a rapid treatment for fatty buildups, said Dr. Bryan Brewer, chief of molecular diseases at the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute.

    The surprisingly quick results, though preliminary, shatter a long-standing belief that heart disease is a slow-progressing disease that takes a long time to undo, said Rader, who wrote an editorial accompanying the study in Wednesday’s Journal of the American Medical Association.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3404412/ns/health-heart_health/t/liquid-drano-arteries/
     
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    Bob, thanks for sharing your story.
    May it serve as a heads up to others on the forum who are in the same age range (like me).
     
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    Glad you pulled through BB! Success on your continued recovery, too!
     
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    The odd "t-waves" in the EKG/ECG that prompted the initial stress test still remain after the CABG, altho not as pronounced. The cardiologist said my t-waves while odd are specific to me... Also said that odd readings from an EKG/ECG "at rest" is not unusual.

    If your family has a history of heart disease & artery blockages (atherosclerosis), pay close attention to your stamina & any shortness of breath issues while performing physical activities.

    Atherosclerosis

    http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condi...sterol/Atherosclerosis_UCM_305564_Article.jsp

    While some loss of capacities can be attributed to aging, any major losses are indicative that something is going wrong. In my case, every year for the last five years found me struggling harder & harder every season to walk & hike the local hills, logging roads & game paths.... Twenty years ago I told my wife I would need the procedure in the future due to my family history.... Needless to say I was stupid and in denial when I ignored the growing problem. There is the possibility that catching these tbi gs early can be resolved via alterations to diet & certain natural & pharma medicines, and in many cases noninvasive nonsurgical angioplasty & stents can be employed to open arteries.

    From the research I've done since being diagnosed, general lifestyle changes should commence after reaching forty (40) yrs of age. Namely, at age 40 everyone should stop using every kind of tobacco product, alter your dist & ingest one baby aspirin per day because coronary artery disease
    is the No. 1 killer of people in the United States, it makes sense that taking a daily aspirin may be a good idea.

    'Should I Take a Daily Aspirin?' A Cardiologist's No.1 FAQ

    https://www.everydayhealth.com/columns/jared-bunch-rhythm-of-life/should-i-take-a-daily-aspirin/

    Is aspirin a wonder drug?

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/aspirin-wonder-drug-2016122210916

    Make no mistake, my life changed when the CABG was performed on me... the olde life is gone & now I must adjust to a new normal. Most of this could have been prevented if I had not been so ignorant.... please dont make the same mistakes I have!
     
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    Glad you made it past the big one BB. Life's a trip ain't it? .;)
     
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    Heart disease has many factors. As I mentioned before I’m married to a heart surgical nurse for 27+ years. I live the healthy life (mostly). I get no sympathy from the Mrs. when it comes to medical attention. Life of a nursing spouse. Sigh!

    Until... 6 months ago. I had an unprovoked DVT (gastroniemus vein). I never saw my wife so nervous. Started hearing PE and it didn’t mean phs. Ed. Good thing my wife has 37+ years at the same hospital and very well liked. I had a who’s who working on me. Best benefit I can say. Extra morphine for me! Anyway , I digress, my vascular doctor said it best, it’s part chance, part fate. Genetics and lifestyle play big parts but so does wild ass chance.

    My doctors still have a problem grasping that my maternal grandmother lived to 99 years and 11 months with a 300+ cholesterol count with medication! They call up the records and still scratch their heads.

    Out all this I need to get another work up to get my mitral valve regurgitation checked that they found while doing all the testing for the clot. I don’t feel bad, my vascular doctor has the same exact type of regurgitation as I do so I guess I’m in good company.

    Tomorrow I get off Xarelto and graduate to baby aspirin.

    May this be a one off freak thing (fingers crossed). I certainly don’t want to go through that again even with morphine.
     
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    Good luck... sounds like your wife has you covered! Grandma proves that there is much more to heart disease &
    atherosclerosis then just cholesteral levels & measurements!

    Funny thing about cholesteral, wife & I basically eat & drink the same diet, my portions are lil bit greater than hers but not by much. Neither of us are overweight for our heigth or age.

    My cholesteral is much higher than hers.... It can only be one thing: genetics / heredity!
     
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    Back in 05 I posted on the former forum my experience like BB has here. Some of you may remember, dome not. I know Avalon does as I get a email from here every six months or so.

    On topic. My Cardio Dr. is the head of Cardio here in West Palm Beach's JFK hospital. We have and many very interesting conversations about Cholesterol and it's relationship to heart attacks. He no longer prescribes them except in extreme conditions. They are NOT effective enough to warrant the long term side effects. Those were his words, not mine.
    Our brains are 50% or more of Cholesterol, lowering it with statin drugs will cause dementia in the long run. So what's one to do? Understanding the reason the artery's clog with Cholesterol is simple. Cholesterol will not stick to a artery that is healthy. It only sticks to inflamed artery's (so says my doc). He doesn't know what is causing the inflation in people who have good lifestyles. At this point all he recommends is to be sure your Vit D levels are normal or above. Vit D is known as a pretty good anti-inflammatory Vit. That also may be why Aspirin works doing more than just thinning your blood. He recommends a 325 Aspirin if you don't have any tummy problems, otherwise stick to the 81 mg. You will have to ask your doc to include the Vit D test, because it's not normally done with a routine CBC.

    But the problem is people don't normally want to change their lifestyle, and some have great lifestyles, like my wife who doesn't have a once of body fat on her. But her Cholesterol is in the 280 area. Granted she has higher than normal HDL, but otherwise there is nothing she can do. She eat's no junk food and never has. We cook fresh, never eat out, and she still has these 280 numbers. Although she is now taking "Red Yeast Rice". It has a natural statin in it. We shall see next month when she goes back for blood work.

    BB, glad everything has worked out for you so far. Be aware if you have any chest pain look for a temporary spike and erratic heart rate. Get a good home blood pressure meter so if you experience ANY chest pain no matter how slight put the device on and look for erratic heart rate. I spent 6 years with occasional chest pain after my HA, and they were all diagnosed as GERD. So for 6 years I was at risk of the widow maker because it was A-Fib. I won't get into that here, but take my advice and get a BP monitor normally $30 to $50 bucks for a good one and if you experience any chest pain strap it on and write it down in a journal.

    Take care and stay away from those cancer sticks.
     
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    Hey Bob, I'm really glad to hear things worked out for you. Forum wouldn't be the same without ya.

    You mentioned that you do exercise. What kinds of exercise? Do you do much in the way of cardio exercises that elevate your heart rate? Cycling, running, rope jumping, things like that?

    I've always read that doing exercises that get your heart rate up for a period every day is a very good thing for the ol' circulatory system.
     
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    Thanks Mayhem, nice write up :). So far, so good, no A-fib, etc.. I do take my BP twice a day, morning & early evening. The Docs have me on meds to regulate my HB & BP while the grafts heal. The Surgeon wants me on Plavix (clopidogrel) & Metoptolol for the full ninety (90) day recovery period. Both BP & HR are being kept artificially low with meds while the healing process progresses (100/65/57) which keeps me feeling tired. Today is day 61 since surgery, I have 29 more days until I can normalize my life and engage in normal physical activities such as play golf, push a lawnmower, use a weedeater, swing a hammer, etc.. At 90 days mostmeds will be discontinued & my HR & BP should return to what is considered normal levels.

    My GP told me it takes on average 6 weeks for soft tissue to heal & 8 weeks for hard tissue (bone) to mend. Theoretically I may already be healed... but I dont want to take any chances with disturbing the full healing of the sternum by rushing into strenuous physical activities... The surgeon says wait 90 days, I'm gonna wait 90 days.
     
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    do you realize what you just stated????

    you quit the bad shit and end up damn near dead..............

    you 2 leggahs are so gullible,

    keep sipping on the propaganda, it has worked well for ya

    :weed:
     
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    Thanks Joe, At this time I'm somewhat limited in the exercises that I can engage in. The surgeon doesnt want me lifting anything over 20#, & he doesnt want me raising my arms above my shoulders, which could pressure the "wired" sternum while it heals.

    Traditional Sternum Wires: (3 mins)



    Most of my present exercises involve walking at various rates & distances, along with walking up & down various grades of hills to promote the circulatory & pulmonary systems. I also use some lite 5# & 8# dumbells and lots of flexibility & stretching exercises.

    The retractors are quite brutal on the ribs, shoulder sockets, collar bones & neck muscles. Their use creates a lot of aches & pains in the above mentioned areas of the body. When the sternum is first cut & sawed apart, the retractors are then used to forcefully pull the sternum apart. This places a lot of pressure & stretching on the shoulders, collar bones & neck muscles etc..

    The surgeon mainly doesnt want the arms lifting any heavy weights or engaging in any activities that would allow the sternum wires to begin cutting into the sternum bones. Thus most exercises are limited for the first 90 days, lifting heavy weights is not advisable for the first 6 to 12 months dependent upon age & physical health. The main thing is to not damage the sternum while its healing and the tissue is hardening. Thats my understanding.
     
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    Off topic note: To anyone who is taking any kind of blood thinner like Warfin, clopidogrel, Vit E, and Fish oil to get some Celox and keep it handy in case you cut yourself accidentally. It will clot the blood quick otherwise you are at risk of shock because stopping the thinned blood is tough. It is even available at WaMart Online. I have packets in both cars and in every bathroom.
     
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    Yea, that's totally to be expected.
    I was more-so wondering about prior to your heart issues being discovered. You mentioned walking and playing golf, but was wondering how much cardio workout you did. You know, stuff that significantly elevates your heart rate for 30-60 minutes/day.

    Just tryin' to glean as much useful info that might help others as well as myself.
     
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    Thats good to learn & know. I cant shave with a razor without cutting myself while taking the clopidogrel. Cant wait till the 90 days is over & I no longer must injest this stuff.
     
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    ...add my story.....at 50 yrs old...never smoked...not a drinker....not overweight...active lifestyle....very high stress work.....never went to dr....family history of high BP and Colesterol....took my bp at home and it was always a lil bit high........suddenly my bp jumped up significantly so i went to Dr....got BP pills....BP was still high went back got even more BP pills......BP was still high and climbing went back to DR got more BP pills and ordered a stress test.....went to stress test...BP was to high for them to administer the test...mean while i seemed to be getting winded easier and seemed to be having acid refux....went to rescheduled stress test...BP was to high to administer the test...sent me back to DR....i told DR that i was getting more and more winded just walking and i figured i was going to have a Cardiac Event if i was able to even take the treadmill stress test.....he immediately scheduled me for a angiogram in hospital .....during andiogram they discovered i was 98% on my LAD and put in a large stint...was put on lipator...and 3 kinds of BP medicine and aspirin........lipator immediately dropped my cholesterol to below 200....side effects were significant so i on my own changed my eating habits and cut my dose in half and the cholesterol stayed low......BP meds lowered heart rate etc to the point it was very difficult to exercise due to my heart rate would never get high enough to catch up to the "work" i was doing and i was having trouble with gaining weight even with a reduced diet........i retired to eliminate the stress.....and kept working on BP meds with DR....finally after 7 yrs i think the combo is good...BP dropped to normal....Weight seems to be adjusting to my diet......able to perform significant exercise and raise heart rate.....i do take significant vitamin supplements and have not been "sick" in years

    My point is Bob ...keep working on things till you find the right combo and that includes Drs also a good Dr is worth 20 of the pill pusher types......i am convinced Stress and Heredity caused my issues

    my current supplements include
    a multi vitamen+
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    L-Arginine
    B complex
    Black Seed oil
    coq10
    resveratrol
    aspirin

    drugs are
    atorvastatin 20mg
    Carvedilol 6.25 x2
    amlodipine 10mg
    Doxazosin 8mg
    Nitroglycerin <<<never had to use it ever

    Current BP is 125/72 average.......walking min of 6000 steps a day on my fitbit

    have a DRs appt this comming week .....and going to ask him to remove the Doxazosin from menu
     
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    You ask a good ? ..... 6 - 7 yrs ago I was quite physically active, but as the years ticked away those activities also ticked away. I lost interest in them, mainly because I was always tired.

    We could almost ask the ? of the chicken or the egg. Did I lose interest because my blood flow was being restricted or were my arteries being clogged because I wasnt adequately active? Personally I suspect genetics kicked in, my Dad who wasnt very physically active had his first CABG in his very early fifties, I had mine @ 60. I'm much more active than my dad was so I'd guess activity plays a major role in these diseases.
     
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    Bob,

    Just watched the video. That was amazing!

    What were the symptoms that led you the operation?
     
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    The chest nerves are the same nerves that operate for a heart attack and/or acid reflux (GERD). Many times a MD cannot make the distiction between chest pains caused by acid reflux or chest pains caused by heart problems. In my case I had some acute acid reflux that felt like a horse was kicking me in my chest. My GP (general practitioner) suspected it was heart related and wired me up to a ECG/EKG which showed an odd "t-wave". The odd t-wave was enuff to necessitate a stress test.... Which I failed miserably, as the nurses thought I was gonna have a heart attack post the test.

    The GERD & odd t-waves which I still have both saved my life.... Note I did not experience any of the common symptoms such as pain shooting down the left arm and/or side, nausea, etc.... the only real symptom was shortness of breath after stenuous physical activity & tiredness in the afternoons.

    In my case I had not ever suffered from a heart attack, thus there was zero heart muscle damage to contend with. The Surgeon & Cardiogist both said I was very close to having a major heart attack that statistically would have killed me as the "widow maker" artery was over 90% blocked.... Unfortunately the blockages could not be stented. I suspect if I had been on top of this 5 or 6 yrs ago, instead of ignoring it, there may have been a different noninvasive outcome using diet, drugs, stents and termination of smoking tobacco.

    I was a smoker for 48 yrs., havent smoked a nail now for 65 days.... The recovery from the GABG procedure is much harder on smokers than nonsmokers... Its a terrible feeling having to "chase your breath!"

    From research & personell discovery, looking back its prolly best to make certain lifestyle changes to diet & exercise after turning 50 and prolly quit smoking if you want to avoid major health problems as you age. Of course, like in my case it required a major surgery to provide the wake up call. I had symptoms, they just werent the standard common symptoms, but they were symptoms no less. It was easy to blame most of these symptoms on aging, loss of stamina, breath, motivation, naps in the afternoon, etc....
     
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