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  1. Crockett

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    Though I don’t use a blood thinner anymore, I still keep clotting powder and tourniquet handy in car and home. Also have a Jumbo Styptic Pencil around for all shaving emergencies.
     
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    "A rehab nurse explained nicely after my surgery. She said EVERY human being suffers from heart disease and not just CABG patients. It starts (Atherosclerosis) at the age of about 6 years old and progresses in ALL humans. CABG or Stent people are not an exclusive club for heart disease. But what happens to people like us, it speeded up and progressed faster due to genetics or bad lifestyle habits.

    But she also said one vital thing to me about heart disease....that was that my CABG surgery only alleviated a certain situation within me. I still have the problem. I am not cured of Heart disease....it is still ongoing inside and I need to make changes to try and slow it down. Medication, exercise, diet, etc. can be a part of the slowing down process."

    Atherosclerosis is an ongoing, progressive disease that damages, blocks & clogs arteries throughout the body, not just the coronary ones. The kidney arteries, the brain, lungs, etc. The idea about controlling the disease is sound and pretty much proven. There are risks in taking statins and blood pressure meds, etc. and these risks are usually far less than letting the disease run rampant.

    Proper nutrition, exercise, weight control, and of course not smoking, doesn't work for everyone. Some peoples genetics require medications to help slow down the pace of the Atherosclerosis.

    https://www.inspire.com/groups/hear...of-medicines-after-bypass-surgery/?ga=freshen
     
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    "The more research you do on your own, the more the truth, misinformation and corruption are exposed. Follow big money and the organizations behind decision making and you better understand why our health and health care is not improving. Do you really think you have bad genes? What else do we pass along to out children besides genes? Toxins. What if you had the information to detox, heal, rebuild, would you? Do you think your genes somehow slow nerve transmission? What about toxins in our bodies building up and blocking/slowing nerve function? How does big pharma, AMA, AHA, ACS, govt profit from curing people? It is not profitable to cure so they instead spread misinformation and medicate. What is in your food supply (GMOs, petrochemicals, pesticides, etc), in your medication, vaccines (petrochemicals, metals), on your lawn (glyphosphate) in your water (floride, medications, chlorine..), on your clothes (formaldehyde), cleaning products, air ... And what does your doctor do to remove these from your system? Nothing. Is it a coincidence that animals living in our same environment are dying of all the same illnesses that we are? After thousands of years, suddenly since the industrial revolution everyone has bad genes??? Genetic manipulation sounds like old science, marketing ploy and good way to reap in billions and never have to be accountable for curing anything. Information is out there to cure diseases but you must seek it, take action and commit to a healthy life style:)"

    https://www.inspire.com/Brian/journ...information/?ref=as&asat=645311391&u=MKZFAXMQ
     
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    Glad you made it BB, like you my Dad had the same issues but didn't (1990s). No offense to your rehab nurse but the studies she is using are originally from the 1990s. Much more recent efforts have focused upon vascular inflammation that direct ca induced plaque formation (TNF studies etc). The rigidity of blood vessels even as a function of vitamin d deficiency has been well documented, irregardless of age. A more recent review (Dec 2017) (just abstract for free to non subscribers) focuses not on en masse reduction of cholesterol , but rather the inflammation process. Ironically diets high in fruits such as blueberries that maintain pliability of the vessels is more important than cholesterol levels. Herbs such as Tumeric that not only prevent "bad" cholesterol oxidation and hence plaque formation but also have been known for centuries to reduce inflammation (hence the great benefit in treatment of arthritis). Just some fyi.
     
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    Thanks for the synopsis Bob. Very interesting how lifestyle effects us.

    I try to eat healthy. I like my cookies though and the occasional piece of chocolate.

    The wife and I take a 2 mile walk nearly every day.

    65 and doing pretty good.
     
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    Watch "Dr. Stephanie Seneff - What Statin Drugs Really Are and Why They Don't Work

     
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    I dont have the data volume to watch the Statin post......but when i had my issues Dr put me on a Statin (lipator)....total cholesterol dropped over 100 points immediately to just under 200 i felt leg tired and achey so i reduced my dosage by 50% cholesterol stayed low and side effects went away so i have stayed on it and through diet etc have lowered cholesterol to 150ish
     
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    Doctors are the spokesman for big pharma and device manufacturers and medical hospital equipment monopoly industrry. Clueless doctors have no insight into what they are doing!

    All drugs are chemicals. Some times useful in set doses. All the drugs that one takes have to be metabolized (digested) by the liver or kidney. one has to be more careful with kidney than the liver, so as to not cause irreparable damage.

    Drug holidays is something widely done in third world countries. One has to be cautious and do a lot of research to read in between the lines about evidence based outcomes research.

    Drinking water and flushing the toxins. Keeping the bowels empty is probably the secret to a healthier life. Periodic short bout of starving if you can. Very difficult initially to control the mind.
     
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    Comment from Inspire.com:

    "I used to think - and Believe - that Mainstream Medicine had all the right answers, that I could totally trust my GPs and even more so my 'Specialists'... that whatever advice or therapies or medicines they offered were safe, effective for the right reasons, Rigorously Tested and PROVEN in transparent, properly conducted (Gold Standard) randomised double-blinded placebo-controlled trials.

    What a surprise to discover that the benefits of stents - for STABLE angina - has only now been PROVEN by the First, yes, that's right, the FIRST properly conducted randomised, blinded, placebo-controlled trial... around FORTY years AFTER being introduced.

    http://www.hayesinc.com/hayes/resource-center/news-service/HNS-20171006-682 /

    Or read it direct from The Lancet if you are willing to pay...

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32714-9/f ulltext?elsca1=tlxpr

    But here's the 'Interpretation'
    "In patients with medically treated angina and severe coronary stenosis, PCI did not increase exercise time by more than the effect of a placebo procedure. The efficacy of invasive procedures can be assessed with a placebo control, as is standard for pharmacotherapy."

    Optimal Medical Therapy (drugs etc) would have been cheaper and no less effective.... in place of my 3 stenting procedures, and perhaps the CABG x 5 of 12 months ago, - by the same Cardiology Company that did my stents....

    Can anyone hazard a guess why I have diminished confidence in them in particular, and Conventional Medicine in general ?

    (Pity I was so.,.Con-vinced.... that I didn't ask the Right Questions)

    Distrustful & Cynical OlderDownUnder

    https://www.inspire.com/groups/hear...at=650255120&page=2&ref=as&u=MKZFAXMQ#replies
     
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    Hi BB, use it, don't use it.

    The Cure for Heart Disease: Condensed


    http://internetwks.com/owen/HeartCureRD.htm

    'READER'S DIGEST' VERSION

    Cardiovascular Diseases Those few species that fail to synthesize ascorbic acid (vitamin C) are prone to a form of ‘heart disease’ that is not prevalent in other species. The theory that Cardiovascular Disease (CVD) is related to a deficiency of vitamin C was first proposed by the Canadian physician G. C. Willis in 1953. He found that atherosclerotic plaques form over vitamin-C-starved vascular tissues in both guinea pigs and human beings. In 1989, after the discoveries of the Lp(a) cholesterol molecule (circa 1964) and its lysine binding sites (circa 1987), Linus Pauling and his associate Matthias Rath formulated a unified theory of heart disease and invented a cure. Vitamin C and lysine (and proline) in large amounts become Lp(a) binding inhibitors that restore vascular health and are patented to destroy atherosclerotic plaques.

    Chronic scurvy. Heart disease is a misnomer; the underlying disease process reduces the supply of blood to the heart and other organs leading to angina ("heart cramp"), heart attack and stroke. The disease is characterized by scab-like build-ups that grow on the walls of blood vessels. The correct terminology for this disease process is chronic scurvy, a slower form of the classic vitamin C deficiency disease.

    The hypothesis that CVD is an ascorbic acid (vitamin C) deficiency disease was first conceived and tested in Canada. Willis devised a method of photographing plaques with X-rays and observed that atherosclerotic plaques were not uniformly distributed throughout the vascular system; rather these "blockages" are concentrated near the heart, where arteries are constantly bent or squeezed.

    Another Canadian, Paterson, had found that the tissues of heart patients were generally depleted of vitamin C, and it was well known that vitamin C is required for strong and healthy arteries. Willis reasoned that only the mechanical stress caused by the pulse could explain the typical pattern of atherosclerosis. To Willis, the body was laying down plaque precisely where it was needed in order to stabilize the vascular system.

    By the late 1980s, medical researchers had made several intriguing discoveries.

    First came the discovery that heart disease begins with a lesion, a crack or stress fracture, in the arterial wall. The question became, and remains, as to the cause of these lesions in human beings since they do not arise in most other animals. Then a variant of the so-called "bad" LDL cholesterol called lipoprotein(a), or Lp(a) for short, was studied and found to be really bad. Lp(a) is sticky because of receptors on the surface of the molecule called lysine binding sites. Work that led to the 1987 Nobel prize in medicine discovered that lysine (and proline) binding sites cause the formation of atherosclerotic plaques. Then, Beisiegel et. al. in Germany examined plaques post mortem and found only Lp(a), not ordinary LDL cholesterol.

    Lp(a) was the genetic difference between beings that suffer cardiovascular disease and those that do not. Lp(a) had evolved only in species that do not make their own vitamin C - e.g. humans and guinea pigs.

    Pauling and Rath repeated the earlier Willis experiments, but this time they monitored Lp(a). They discovered that it becomes elevated in guinea pigs deprived of vitamin C, but not in the controls. These experiments connected elevated-Lp(a) with low serum vitamin C. They realized that in most species, sufficient ascorbic acid will prevent stress fractures, but in those species that suffer chronic scurvy, Lp(a) had evolved to patch cracked blood vessels.

    As chronic scurvy progresses, the liver produces more Lp(a) molecules. As the number of Lp(a) molecules increases, they tend to deposit on top of existing plaque formations. When the healing process overshoots, the arteries narrow and the flow of blood is reduced.

    This problem has a solution. The Lp(a) molecule has a finite number of lysine binding sites - points of attachment to lysine. Pauling’s invention - the cure for heart disease - is to increase the serum concentration of the amino acid lysine enough to make the Lp(a) unattractive. As more lysine enters the blood stream, the probability increases that floating Lp(a) molecules will bind with it (rather than with the patches of plaques growing on the arterial walls.)

    After all the Lp(a) molecule’s binding receptors are filled with the free lysine floating in the blood, the Lp(a) molecule becomes as harmless as ordinary LDL cholesterol.

    Pauling and Rath called the substances that treat chronic scurvy and destroy existing plaques Lp(a) binding inhibitors. Vitamin C, to increase collagen production and to improve the health and strength of arteries, and lysine, to prevent and to dissolve Lp(a) plaques, are the primary binding inhibitors. These substances taken together are clinically effective.

    Linus Pauling believed that chronic scurvy can be prevented with an orthomolecular daily intake of between 3,000 to 10,000 mg or more vitamin C. This amount approximates what the animals synthesize, and matching animal production is the reason Pauling ingested 18,000 mg daily.

    Pauling and Rath's invention for destroying existing atherosclerotic plaques is the large amount of another essential nutrient, the amino acid lysine. Pauling filmed a video lecture in which he recommended that heart patients take between 2,000 and 6,000 mg of lysine daily with their vitamin C (more if serum Lp(a) is elevated). Neither vitamin C nor lysine have any known lethal dose.

    The Lp(a) binding inhibitors become the Pauling Therapy for heart disease only at high dosages, between vitamin 3 to 18 g ascorbic acid and 3 to 6 g lysine. In his video, Pauling recounts the first cases where his high vitamin C and lysine therapy quickly resolved advanced cardiovascular disease in humans. The effect is so pronounced, and the inhibitors are so nontoxic, that Pauling doubted a clinical study was even necessary.

    Recently, the amino acid proline was found to be an even more effective Lp(a) binding inhibitor than lysine in vitro. Adding between .5 and 2 g proline may be of significant additional benefit.

    When serum Lp(a) is elevated, Lp(a) binding inhibitors can profoundly interfere with the disease process. Binding inhibitor formulas that include proline have been documented to lower Lp(a) in six to 14 months. In cases where Lp(a) is not reduced, binding inhibitors become even more important to neutralize Lp(a) regardless of their effect on serum Lp(a).

    Recently a reevaluation of the Framingham Heart study that Lp(a) and not ordinary LDL is highly predictive of CVD and Oxford found that elevated Lp(a) increases the risk of heart attack and stroke by 70%.

    The on-going lack of scientific curiosity or interest by organized medicine in the Pauling/Rath theory and Pauling's high-dose therapy may well be recognized as the greatest lapse of the 20th century.

    Heart disease orthomolecular protocol

    NOV 2005: UPDATED PROTOCOL HERE

    1. Take Vitamin C as ascorbic acid (or sodium ascorbate, but this form may be less effective) up to bowel tolerance (3 to 18 g per day in divided doses.)
      The half-life of vitamin C in the blood stream is 30 minutes. NIH findings indicate minimum 500 mg every 4 hours leads to highest sustained blood levels, take more before bed, trips, etc. Trouble with bloating/gas/diarrhea after your vitamin C? Try Liposomal Vitamin C
    2. Take Lysine. 2 to 3 g daily for prevention and from 3 to 6 g daily for the greatest therapeutic benefit.
    3. Supplement Coenzyme Q10 (100 - 300 mg) (Note: Vitamin C and several vitamins will help stimulate your own synthesis of CoQ10. CoQ10 is a vital substance for energy and proper heart function. Popular drugs interfere with your body's own production of CoQ10, and they may lead to heart failure)
    4. Take Proline from 250 mg to 2000 mg daily. (This added factor may lower elevated Lp(a) within 6 to 14 months.)
    5. NEW: Eliminate man-made/processed fats, such as trans and hydrogenated fats, and supplement Omega-3 rich oils. "Research has shown that an Omega-3 Index of 8 percent to 10 percent reduces a person's relative risk of death from coronary heart disease by 40 percent, and from sudden cardiac death by 90 percent." This benefit probably results from restored insulin-mediated glucose/vitamin C uptake into cells. [See: Protocol for Reversing Diabetes Type II by Eliminating Hydrogenated and Trans Fats and adding Omega-3 oils... ]
      Note: Following an Atkins-style diet will eliminate most trans fats because these "poisons" appear mostly in processed carbohydrate foods such as cookies, crackers, snacks, etc. Butter is vastly supperior to margarine. Natural saturated fats are vastly superior to any fats or oils processed for longer shelf life.
    6. NEW: Eliminate ordinary sugar and refined carbohydrates. New research confirms Dr. John Ely's 30-year theory that sugar (glucose) competes with ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) for insulin-mediated uptake into cells. Taking sugar can effectively crowd out the Ascorbate. The effect of the Pauling Therapy is reportedly much more pronounced and immediate when sugar is eliminated (and good Omega-3 fatty acids are added.)
    7. Follow Paulings general heart and cardiovascular recommendations provided in his book HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER , e.g., Vitamin E - 800 to 3200 iu ,Vitamin A - 20,000 to 40,000 iu , andSuper B-Complex, esp. Vitamins B6 and B3
    8. Supplement the mineral Magnesium (300 to 1500 mg) and avoid Manganese (No more than 2 mg. USDA researchers report that elevated manganese, more than 20 mg daily, competes with magnesium uptake in the heart causing irregular heart beats.)
      Manganese alters mitochodrial integrity in the hearts of swine marginally deficient in magnesium ... These results suggest that high Mn, when fed in combination with low Mg, disrupts mitochondrial ultrastructure and is associated with the sudden deaths previously reported.
    9. Eat salt, only unrefined salt, Brownstein discovered literature that a low-salt diet can cause the body to change its hormonal balance as it attempts to retain sodium. This leads to a 400% chance of heart attack in those with high blood pressure and low sodium intake [*]. Refined (ordinary table salt) is poisonous, but unrefined salt has over 80 minerals and can be considered a necessary "health food."
    10. Avoid supplemental calcium, and supplement vitamin K for proper calcium metabolism, especially if you have taken antibiotics or blood thinners in the past.
    11. Add a good mineral/multivitamin
    12. Supplement the amino acids Taurine, Arginine and Carnitine (1 to 3 g).
    Owen Fonorow, Naturopath
    Vitamin C Foundation
    PO Box 3097, Lisle IL 60532
    www.VitaminCFoundation.org
    630-416-1438

    VitaminCfoundation.org
    TheCureForHeartDisease.com
    PaulingTherapy.com
    Hearttechnology.com


    Golden Regards
    Uncle
     
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    I'll be damned, makes to much sense. First interview with Cardiologist he stressed the vital importance of consuming fresh fruits & veggies & used the Mediterranean Diet as an example... the major commonality is Vitamin C!!!

    Un-F_king Believable! Scurvy of all damn things.... The bastards even brought scurvy on-shore with their admiralty law...
     
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