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Cavaliers star Kyrie Irving is a flat-Earth truther

Discussion in 'Coffee Shack (Daily News/Economy)' started by BarnacleBob, Feb 19, 2017.



  1. EricTheCat

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    It irks me because the ball Earth theory is very easy to find evidence for by very simple experiences that anyone can try. Yet there seems to be a growing number of people unable to make basic observations for themselves or at least admit if they had.

    I didn't mean to come across quite so harsh. It is good to question things. You have to realize that you can use geometry and basic observations yourself to find your own evidence as to the shape of the planet we live on. If our planet was in any other shape, many of my astronomical observations including things like when a satellite or the international space station go into a shadow would not be in the same location predicted by their orbits. Much like the shadow of the Earth on the moon gives us a pretty good observation as to the shape of the body we live on.
     
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    Because it's so "basic", yet people still question it.
     
  3. GOLDBRIX

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    Flat EARTH - VERY OLD FAKE NEWS :-0
     
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    Since we've dragged this topic out much longer than it deserves here is what call a very informative piece for your entertainment / edification. ENJOY:

     
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    I agree, there are good reasons to accept that the Earth is a sphere spinning on an axis, such as those you mentioned. Then there reasons to doubt such a model, several of which have been discussed in this very thread.

    I do not necessarily believe that we live on a giant pancake, but there are numerous problems(to my mind) with the notion that we live on the outer surface of a rapidly spinning sphere hurtling through space at high velocity. YMMV.

    ...and? How about these basic questions. How many planets are there in our solar system? Did humans evolve from apes? Is the speed of light constant regardless of medium?

    Pissed yet? If so why?
     
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  6. Joe King

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    Depends on ones definition of "Planet".
    ....and I for one still say that Pluto is a Planet.
     
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    Saturn like Jupiter both possess observable spin, roundness & atmospheres therefore we can conclude that Earth must also emulate these cosmic bodies... what they dont possess is the capability of sustaining conscious life as we know it... and therein lays the conundrum!
     
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    Neither does the Moon, but we know its round too.

    How exactly is it any kind of a conundrum?
     
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    If every cosmic thing is round whether it spins or not, yet they dont support life, why would we presume that Earth emulates these objects... Earth therefore is a "special place or design" .... evidently made up of different resources & mechanics that allows life to thrive.

    I can testify that the ball Earth theory has much evidence to support the conclusion, but there is just as much evidence to support that the theory is also false or only partially correct.... I dont think any of the current theories are correct & acceptable, hence I'm in neither camp, ball v flat! Just sitting & watching the debates stimulate interactive thoughts....
     
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    Sitting in a car going 60/70/80 miles an hour those in the vehicle do not feel the moving except for tire rumble, rolled down window, or driving over cracks, bumps or potholes....
    UNTIL
    The driver slams on the brakes. Slows down due to a light or sudden accident in front of the travelers' vehicle. Slamming into a tree, wall, car, truck,... one would realized the sudden stoppage.

    Earth, planets, sun, galaxy are all moving at their own speeds. We will remain physically unaware until the Earth, Moon or Sun stops. All the rest will have a lesser effect at first.
     
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    If that were to somehow ever happen, Earth just stops spinning, everyone dies and everything would be utterly destroyed.
    Unless of course you mean that it slows down gradually over time. In which case everyone would still end up dying, but it'd take longer.
     
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    It has all the evidence. Not just much.


    Such as? I've watched some of the vids that have been posted that supposedly "prove" the Earth is flat, but they all rely upon mis-interpretations of the so-called evidence.
    ...and really Bob, why would it even matter? Let's presume for a moment that the Earth is flat and always has been flat. Why would it be important to hide that fact by creating a false narrative of a round Earth? I further ask, if that were the case, would we then be discussing ball-Earth theory here instead?
     
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    There's been an on again/off again "planet X" for as long as I can recall as well. How many planets in our solar system seems like such a basic question yet one could argue that the correct answer could be anything from 8-10 given one's interpretation/belief system.

    Other "basic" questions. How the heck did such a relatively large moon form so near a planet(Earth)? Why is there a gap between Mars and Jupiter? Is the asteroid belt the remnants of a planet that occupied that space? ...if so wtf happened to the planet that was there?
     
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    No reason to get upset Joe King... As I stated & admitted that there is a lot of evidence supporting the ball earth... but I've been around & also read yesterdays evidence superceeded and disproven by new replacement evidence many times before in my lifetime. Seems a guy is somehow no longer able to ponder on or even question conventional wisdom without ruffling some feathers....

    Take the distance of Earth from the Sun... that distance has been revised no less than 4 times... and its now ESTIMATED at 93 mm miles, not because its actually 93 mm miles but because thats what the math MODEL predicts it to be... And it could change again if a new model is adopted.
     
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    YOU are CORRECT.
    The key word being "UNTIL".
     
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    This is Storied in one of the early books of Zecharia Sitchin if it IS NOT in 12th Planet .

    A blue water planet called TIAMAT may have inhabited that orbit where the Asteroid Belt now is.
    In two of Nibiru's ( story MARDUK) passing thru the solar system's plane of planets Tiamat was bombarded by satellites /moons of, and later collided with Nibiru / MARDUK.
    The first collision caused a loss of one-third of Tiamat ( probably creating the asteroid belt).
    The second collision knocked Tiamat completely out of its orbit to where it is today and now called EARTH and Moon.

    All this come from what some scholars call the First Science Fiction Story made by Man in Sumerian / Akkadian Text

    As I see it it is just as plausible as what scientist offer today in the creation of the Earth and Moon and they argue between THREE other Theories of their own.

    FWIW - Look at the spacing of the inner planets. Looking from the Sun each planet is approx. twice as far out as the previous planet EXCEPTION Earth. AND There SHOULD be a planet where there is NOT one - The Asteroid Belt.

    "Things that make ya go "HMMM"
     
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    For those who question the shape of the body we live on, do any of you want to humor me and give me the best examples of evidence the Earth is some other shape? Also any thoughts about why Earth's shadow is round when we see it cross the moon during every lunar eclipse?

    You probably will not convince me, due to the level of experience I have, but I will try to return the favor by being a little more polite than I may have been earlier in this thread.
     
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    Yep, sure has, but none of it is backed by anything other than fable.


    Again, that depends on your definition of "Planet". Is every reasonably round object that orbits the Sun, a Planet?


    These may be "basic" questions, but they are ones that can at best, only be answered by examining the evidence and trying to determine the best theory that predicts an answer.
    Ie: to "know" for-sure would require a time machine.,


    I'm not upset. Just asking for this proof you mentioned.


    That's how things work Bob. We go with one thing until something else ends up disproving the previous "knowledge".


    You are quite able to ponder things, and I encourage you to do so. However, to ignore basic facts in that pondering does no one any good.


    First of all, there's no real way to actually measure the distance in the same manner one might measure the distance between home and the workplace, for example.
    ...and this is a case of what I posted above. Ie: when new data is uncovered that allows a more accurate measurement to be figured out, we go with the new and more accurate data.


    What it seems you are after is an exact knowledge of things that happened eons ago when no one was around to actually observe it. Or at least no one we can talk to today about it with.
    ...and yes, it is a bit unsatisfying to not have actual and definitive answers to these things, but as it stands the best we can do is continue to more closely examine the evidence left behind and see what matches which theories, and then go from there.
     
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    Bob. Man has been in into space, hundreds of people have, from many different nations and they all reported seeing the same thing, a curved planet passing below them as they go around and around it. Are you suggesting that perhaps all these astronauts are involved in a conspiracy of lies? That is the real test of science btw, go and observe, report what you see and measure.

    This whole thread is a debate about a delusion. I can't believe anyone with a modicum of intelligence would consider the earth is not round. Hundreds of years of science, decades of direct observation, and the deployment of literally thousands of ORBITING satellites attest it is so. Just because your government lies to you on a regular basis don't assume that the scientific community of the entire planet is involved in some conspiracy.

    I can't believe I'm actually wasting my time discussing this.
     
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    Basketball legend Shaquille O'Neal says the Earth is FLAT in bizarre rant dismissing 'all that gravity stuff'
    • The Hall of Famer made the claim during an episode of his podcast last month
    • 'So, listen, I drive from coast to coast, and this s*** is flat to me,' the big man said
    • Shaq doubled down by saying satellite imagery could be 'drawn and made up'
    • The claim was in defense of Kyrie Irving - who said the same thing last month


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4329112/Shaquille-O-Neal-says-Earth-flat-bizarre-rant.html#ixzz4bnh6g6PV
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    Proof the Earth is curved and not flat. If it were flat the water line on the opposite side of the valley would line up with a level placed on the other side, but it doesn't. If Earth were flat, it would.



     
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    Lunar Eclipse


    flat_earth_lunar_eclipse.png
     
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    Ha Ha Ha. You forgot the little pyramid of dirt below it though, gotta have that little foundation to make it "credible"
     
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    lol, shouldn't there be a shadow of a turtle too?
     

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