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Daguerreotype images and those of other early processes

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    Miner_in_blue.jpg tt5489.jpg Well,
    I have to share this one.
    A week or so ago I acquired this piece.
    I had to have it. My palms sweated.
    My 49er.
    There is a wipe near his face.
    You can see the start of a fingerprint very faintly.
    ( image is very delicate, cannot tell if this was done at the time of the processing or later )
    But the coloring and all else is very nice.
    Pose and costume ( ordinary fare of the day ? ) is is fantastic.
    I will send it to a professional cleaner and possibly some of the dirt and small marks will be taken out of it.
    Dust and stuff on the back of the glass have accumulated over time.
    Probably taken in Sacremento or San Fran this one.
    I have to take it apart and check it out for markings.
     
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    $(KGrHqRHJDgFHlJi2qBVBSBRNuM91Q~~60_57.jpg 007-gold-rush.jpg ft758007r3_00033.jpg mi121.jpg .........................
     
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    Goldrush-1.jpg Re: Gold is Money

    Gold is Money.

    " If you dont have the gold, then you are lying "...or
    " Show me me the money, Jerry "...LOL...

    Where is that total credit market debt against GDP chart for the last 30 years anyways ?
    Such a ruse, all of this. .Gov shutdown my arse...17 trillion...lol again...
    For me, these images are some roses...like a good walk in the forest, only different...take a little time to smell a few,
    hug the wife, the kids , the dog, the mom, the dad.... check out the sunrise
    ....otherwise the media et all will make ya think the world is a gonna end.
    Regards to all.
     
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    Did you notice the dignity and seriousness these people display?

    They come from a time when decorum and propriety meant something.

    In modern pictures, you see nothing but a bunch of grinning, vacuous fools.

    The moral fibre of our society has truly collapsed.
     
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    CAW-591.jpg CAW-591a.jpg CAW-776.jpg D13-185.jpg A couple of more characters,
    and an image I promised Searcher I would post.
    ( sorry I am late Search...:cheerful:...been in the weeds of late )

    Delicate images of the gold rush era preserved on silver coated copper.
    And as Chris has said...a different crowd than that of today for the most part.
     
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    dag207.jpg SUDIO DOG.jpg TDFLA.jpg Here is a couple of more favs of mine.
    Any type of insturmentalist I am fond of.
    But this guy...man, what a pose.
    Trade a few bits or a dollar, pre civil war, so bank note but mostly probably coin,
    in more rural areas I have read of other barter...
    get something tangible in return.
     
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    Indiana Jones!!! TIME TRAVEL!!!




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    D2-34.jpg D3-52.jpg CAW-833.jpg Been awhile since I posted here.
    Been out and about and into other things.
    A few images I have seen lately that I admire.
     
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    D14-24.jpg ............
     
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    Last guy looks like Dominic [Gerard Fe] West, the actor from The Wire. We know he is from the Irish, I would guess this guy also is of Irish desent.
     
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    Cool intel !, I dont know the guy but will check it out. Not familiar with the show.
    Bought a tee vee just to watch the Olympics, bad arse btw the olympics, and hooked it to an antenna from the Rad Shack.
    Lol, get like 32 channels ( yeah, 10 religions and 5 spanish granted ) and I cannot believe it.

    Will be cool to check that out. The last group had some narrative histories with. Will try and get to that soon. Post some more.
    Went to an out door show here weekend b4 last. Last one of 3 in winter b4 next november. Probably 1000 dealers from all the east coast. Bought a few of only maybe 20 images I saw between 3 dealers who even had them. Times have changed and they are scarce, especially any quality or interesting stuff. I bought a chili and at the food coral took 10 and the wife went back to beat the guy up on price. Darn it she is good. I remember she is from your wife's neck of the woods ( ? ) more or less and she considers the negotiation something of a sport.

    Stuff is really getting harder and harder to find of this quality. ( above )
    I think that little boy above is exquisite, but outta my league price wise.
    I have some books published internationally, one from Poland and I am looking forward to
    Adding some scans to this thread. Lol, will add it to the " list " of stuff to do.
    Anyways, just rambling on. Talk to ya a bit later G.
    Regards,
     
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    I have found exactly nothing. However, I never thought to look in Poland. My wife just got back. The only problem is they have some kind of a law about taking out historical items. My wife was worried about taking old land papers from the 1800's and stuff like that. I will do an investigation. I always thought I was a good "bargainer" but my wife has me beat hands down. As for TV, I normally just watch shows that I rent etc, don't have cable, do have an antenna like you, I use it for the weather, not much else on there.

    Thanks for sharing the daguerreotypes.

    Here is the actor I wrote about, see if you see the same features:

    Dominic West.jpg
     
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    dag man hat.jpg Hey G,
    You are right !, They do look a bit alike !
    Yeah , you can come across an image or two in most countries but few they are anymore.
    Here is a pic of an image my wife found at that market I spoke of. Nice one, hat, nice suit, etc.
    dag man hat.jpg
    Once many years back I was at a show in a civic center and I was looking at some images and a guy walks up next to me and asked the dealer
    for the same thing I was looking at. I struck up a conversation and we became friends.
    He was from Budapest ( Janos Novemeszky was his name ) and his parents had shipped him out in the 60's as a very young child through a number of routes to the states, there was some turmoil there in Hungary at the time, and he had grown up with his grandmother in Miami.
    He would call and we would meet in McDonalds or somewhere and he would produce a box of these silver coated copper plates for us to talk about.
    Incredible guy. He would always find some fantastic images as he was always traveling around and trading.
    One day I was reading the quarterly Daguerreotype journal and I learned that he had stopped to help an injured dog along the highway outside of Budapest where he kept a small apartment and another vehicle had struck and killed him.
    I was really upset about that. What had upset me most was that the last few times , more than a few actually, that he had been through town he had called and wanted to meet up but I was so busy trying to meet the corporate guys numbers at work I would always say " man, I wish...but cannot make it this trip "...
    Yup, life is short. Take some time to smell the roses is something I have been trying to do more often.
    Regards and talk a little later.
     
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    I'm pretty sure there is a guy working on a video card from the 1990's in this one.

    http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthr...arly-processes&p=612795&viewfull=1#post612795

    Interesting clothing. What is the slick looking material in the bus driver hats? looks like vinyl.

    I have a romanticized idea of the steam era because of Mark Twain but make no mistake it was a time of hard living. Yellow fever, typhoid and a myriad of other diseases encroached every summer and people nearly went into hibernation during the winter. There is a reason for the sober looks.
     
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    D14-70.jpg $_3-4.jpg There is something about silver and gold that I cannot cease to appreciate....
    Gresham is everywhere....lol....
    Regards to all....
     
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    tnD14-71.jpeg Note the resemblance of the coloration of this gentlemans likeness to the 49er posted above.
    It is the smallest of things in life, that sometimes are the most appreciated.
     
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    Them is just awesome.
     
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    $_3-5.jpg This image is on Ebay right now.
    Outta bring some $ to the table.
    Occupationals are extremely rare.
    Cobbler / shoe maker.
     
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    D14-127.jpg dag14-43.jpg dag40.jpg A few more I have seen that I appreciated.
    I especially am drawn to the two cats at the bottom.
    Nothing like the detail of the right combination of exposure,
    hand preparation, sensitization, and lens.
     
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    Just found this story, donated to the USA.

    Featured Acquisition:
    Liljenquist Family Collection

    Close to 700 ambrotype and tintype photographs highlight both Union and Confederate soldiers during the American Civil War. The Liljenquist Family sought out high quality images to represent the impact of the war, especially the young enlisted men. The photographs often show hats, firearms, canteens, musical instruments, painted backdrops, and other details that enhance the research value of the collection

    Among the rarest images are African Americans in uniform, sailors, a Lincoln campaign button, and portraits of soldiers with their wives and children. A few personal stories survived in notes pinned to the photo cases, but most of the people and photographers are unidentified. Tom Liljenquist donated the entire collection to the Library in 2010. An exhibition of the collection will commemorate the sesquicentennial of the American Civil War in April 2011. (Note: Only the online images are available due to exhibition preparations.)

    Link:
    http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/caption/captionliljenquist.html

    Sample:
    Confed soldier.jpg
     
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    Hi Gringott,
    I missed your above post entirely and have just now revisited this thread.
    My how time flies, especially now that I must resemble an old guy...
    Yes !, that is a fantastic collection you posted about. That process -the ambrotype, and then also the tintype, as well as the wet plate collodian process,
    rendered the complicated daguerreotype process nearly obsolete by the time of the civil war.
    The images, just like you posted there, when they appear, command the highest of premiums.
    Many military fellows who sat for a daguerreotype likeness went on to become members of either the north or southern armies
    and finding one and identifying them from later images is a historians dream.
    It is amazing, in my mind, that this collection has remained intact and was not pieced out through auction.
    Regards G, thanks for the post !
    I am going to add a few more images here that I have come across, relatively few that I can afford of course,
    But I appreciate each and every one for its content and technical beauty.....not to mention the copper and silver.:cheerful:
     
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    dag14-44.jpg This fellow, I am crazy about.
     
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    $_3-6.jpg And this young lady, I should have purchased it on the spot.
    Its the " DOH ! " moments in life you remember most isn't it !?!?
    I missed the crazy haired cat up above ( by like 5 bucks on ebay ) and I am stil
    Peeved at myself.....gotta seek some evaluation from Agnut on " gut feeling " and pulling the trigger
    Methinks....lol
     
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    $_3-14.jpg CAW-903.jpg CAW-895.jpg $_3-7.jpeg .............
     
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    Thanks for the new additions. I esp. like the last picture of the three girls. Could have been taken yesterday based on the faces.
     
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    lot52-large.jpg lot53-large.jpg A salute to Searcher,
    2 images I will bid on from the Dag. Society's annual symposium.
    They are listed as Boston sailors.
    The seeminly dirty second image....imho just a dirty glass coverplate.
    A dismantling of the case with image will reveal as superb a silver plate as its counterpart.
    Salud ! Search, and thanks for all you do here.
    Regards,
     
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    lot65a-large.jpg lot12a-large.jpg D14-163.jpg What is the " true " worth of silver ?
    That wicked witch ?!?!
    Lmao !
    Silver made many things that we take for granted....very real and possible.
    Its just our infatuation with the FRN that clouds our vision.
    Regards to all,
     
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    There are a few images on this thread, that are breath taking to me.
    This is one of them. Superb image.
    Sealed forever on a delicate silver molecular veil.
    Regards,
     

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    lot16-large.jpg lot49-large.jpg Cannot sleep tonight, wassup wid that ?
    A few more then ...
     
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    D11-162.jpg $_3-11.jpeg Previous post, top image is a contemporary product. There are perhaps a hundred ( ? ) folks involved with the process actively worldwide.

    Edit to add: I am pretty certain the below chap is in onna Uncle Walts' stories. :)
    Gotta dig some character ya do...
     
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    Not sure if most of you realize that a majority of the subjects in these photos are deceased. It was a common practice in the Victorian era for families to have photos taken of the recently departed. A telltale sign is the eyes not focused or looking at anything and the use of stands directly behind the subject. Look at the feet and you'll see the stand that was used to support the person. Most of these pictures are macabre to say the least.
     
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    Thank you very much for this thread! I'm enjoying it immensely. I was wondering was smiling frowned upon in the 19th century? At least one of these kids
    must be having fun!
     
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    Hello jrog100 !, Good to see you around here.
    "Post mortems" you must be speaking of.
    The only post mortem posted here, by specific choice,
    is in post # 30. As an example only, and not my bag that specialty is.
    Macrabe, maybe. An individualistic thought process, as it seems this is yours, of our modern era imo.

    But the way I am reading your post you are saying and thinking that most all images posted here and of the era are of deceased individuals ??
    I beg to differ as my studies of many images ( thousands ) and my reading clearly shows me that the most common of millions of images produced were basic portraits of men.
    All else then is a subset of this whole body of work.
    And in my humble opinion they are fantastic.
    One shot poloroids and snapshots of the past.
    Of living ( at the moment of exposure except the post mortems ) people who built this fine country.
    Some people collect post mortems wholly as their own specialty. Again, not my bag, nor subject matter I wanted to post.
    Maybe then , I should post a few for comparison. Good idea !
    Many times, a deceased body was laid in state, many times in the parlor or bedroom allowing for visitations, and this allowed the time to fetch the photographer
    which in turn allowed a keepsake to remember the one who had passed.
    Yes, stands were indeed used to "steady" the poser.
    Because the expoure times were long in the few years after the process was discovered / invented
    and also the lenses were at first primitive. Both lens quality and exposure times improved greatly during the daguerreotype era
    from roughly 1840 to 1860ish.
    LIVING subjects, as ALL except for mentioned young girl in post # 30 are on this thread,
    moved and the small steady stand was sometimes used to clamp the head or steady the back of the person.
    It was most helpful on children as one can imajine.
    Thanks for visiting the thread ! I trust you hve gotten something out of it.
    Regards,
     
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    Hello Astrodiver ! Whats shakin ?
    Thanks for the post. Interesting you should mention that. The subject of smiling is an oft discussed subject. In fact, just recently, there was a daguerreotype image on Ebay where the guy WAS smiling and he had this great big “ I just stole your cookie “ grin that was totally awesome and the ONLY one I have ever seen. It went for 3 something hundred bucks I believe. I failed miserably to copy it and post it here though and your post made me remember that. It is my opinion that the exposure times had a lot to do with it. Further, life was different back then. AND….It was a BIG deal to get your “ likeness “ taken. A very big deal, especially in the early days just haing your photograph taken was. Hard to imagine isn’t it ? Totally unlike the “ hey I don’t like that one, just delete it “ priviledge of today. Another thing I have thought of…is why DO we ( well many people …not me cuz my teeth are kinda snagly and I am self conscious about all the people with great big perfect teeth you see everwheres ) think one should “ smile “ or act like a moron when there is a camera pointed at us ? I think it is an evolved culture thing. Huh…ya gotta think about that. Here is a linky on just that same subject Astro, it mentions many things, culture, self image / dental situations etc…you might enjoy it:
    http://petapixel.com/2013/09/23/didnt-people-smile-old-photos/
    I was a photography major in college years ago and I traveled for many years never without my camera. I found that people , depending on the level of familiarity they had with getting their pictures taken, were very serious about it at times and those that were photographed often were more comfortable with a grin or a smile. Anyways, thanks ! Astrodiver for being a part of the thread.
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    Hystckndle Daguerreotype Fanatic Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    Yo ! Astro,
    Check it out....just for you my friend.
     

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    :thumbs_up:.....................Haystack, Excellent Thread :beerglass: :beerglass: :beerglass:
     
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    WOW! Smile, eyes and forehead made me immediately think of Jodie Foster!

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    Some early Presidents in film:

    Jackson:

    jackson.jpg

    John Quincy Adams:

    first-presidential-photo.jpg

    Pierce:

    Franklin+Pierce.jpg

    Fillmore:

    456px-millard-fillmore.jpg

    Taylor:

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    Thanks to UW,
    Huh !, Thats pretty cool. Appreciate the thought process there. You guys are better at that than I am for sure on the " likeness" part. I think a few posts up Gringott was also good at seeing a resemblance.
    Hello Krag !,
    Good stuff !!!
    I will do a bit of "extra credit" as I study your images.
    I will start with the Adams one.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...t-known-photographs-of-a-us-president/272872/

    ...snip...from the link:
    The first photograph of a sitting United States president was taken of William Henry Harrison on March 4, 1841. The new executive had just delivered his inaugural speech -- the outdoor address now most remembered (wrongly) for giving him the pneumonia that would kill him -- and he paused, afterward, to pose for a portrait using the new technology of the daguerrotype.

    That photograph, much like its subject, had an unexpectedly short tenure. Harrison's inaugural portrait has since been lost to history -- meaning that the oldest surviving photograph we have of an American president depicts a chief executive after his presidency. There are a couple candidates for "oldest." But they are, regardless, depictions of John Quincy Adams, the sixth president, in office from 1825-1829....snip...

    Please follow the link for the history of the Adams images....The image Krag posted is referenced and reproduced at the link as well !
    Fitty cents !! Kiss my Haystack Arse !! What a great story this one.
     

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