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Dentist "deep cleaning"

Discussion in 'Survival (Preps & Homestead)' started by Uglytruth, Aug 6, 2017.



  1. Uglytruth

    Uglytruth Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Last year I went to the dentist. All of the sudden I needed a "deep cleaning" for $1200 + follow up's every 3-4 months FOR LIFE! The follow up's are only "a few hundred dollars" after the first one. Deep cleaning is a cleaning below the gum line to remove bacteria. They talked about gum bleeding, pocket depth etc.... and were trying to scare me to death. Wanted me to make an appointment on the spot or all my teeth are going to fall out, I'd be toothless, gums would erode away, etc........ My BULL SHIT meter hit the roof. Yes I had a little bone regression looking back at xrays for 5 years earlier. I'm thinking I might as well have them all pulled & get dentures etc.... because it's inevitable. I sweated it for a year. So for a year I paid a lot more attention, used a good mouth wash etc....... and did a lot of research.

    What the latest "Deep Cleaning" scam is is about making their extra Escalade payments. Now I'm not saying some people might not have issues but this is what I found.

    1. What a deep cleaning is, is what an old fashioned cleaning was. A little below the gum line scraping to get the bad bacteria that are eating away at your bone structure. Everyone has them to a point. I think this has to do with all the "painless Denistry" advertisements you see.

    2. Depth probe 2-3 is normal / good 4 is marginal and 5 is starting to get bad. I was almost all 2-3 with a few 4's & 2, 5's where I have a crown.

    3. The girl cleaning my teeth did a shit job & barely did anything except a little scrape, floss and use that little spinning brush but nothing like it used to be.

    4. So the scam is what they do is 1/2 of what they used to do when they clean & they do that poorly, then they want you to spend thousands for the rest of your life "keeping everything clean" with deep cleaning.

    So when they came in and looked at my xrays she was pointing out all this. I made her pull up the year before. She measured & then measures the current xray & they were the same. Then she started making up other BS about bone, gums, health, blood, etc...... So I asked a question. How am I compared to others my age. She locked up. If I'm so bad do I have the gums of someone 10 years younger or 10 years older? NOTHING! She was caught in a lie. Finally she said well your a little ahead of where you should be at your age.

    If I had two bad spots why is it $1200 to do the whole mouth instead of INCLUDED LIKE IT USED TO BE?
    Or even we should look at those two spots closer? Why disturb good areas? The only answer I can come up with is because you are not doing what you should of been doing all along...........

    What these "professionals" are doing is what we need to do to them. If they get their oil changed change it. Just don't change the filter. That's an extra grand.... you better get it or your engine will be junk. Do you want it or not? Yes Dr. Dentist you need a new furnace or your family WILL DIE from carbon monoxide or EXPLODE and you would not want that now would you? The flat tire is bad it's in the belt so it could blow out at any time but these are special tires & you need all 4. FUCK'EM!

    So as I'm talking to people a friend told me he was in a restaurant & overhears two dentists talking. Yes I have a 9 year old girl patient & I should have pulled a tooth and everything would have spread out fine but I didn't because she will need braces in a few years. Now that's professional....... worrying about your wallet instead of a young girls appearance & her family's ability to pay.

    There are also a few new toothpastes that are expensive but people say they work wonders if you have this problem. Dental Pro 7 is one brand.

    Anyone else running into this BS? Any dentists that can explain it better? Am I flat wrong?
     
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    Deep Cleaning, the new scam. Cleanings lately have been worthless.
     
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    Dentist/Doctors>Professional rip off artists>favorite tactic, fear>especially if you have insurance.
     
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    Count me in as an anti dentite...feckers have their own schools and special insurance...


     
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    Had that happen more than once.
     
  6. louky

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    You need to shop Bro, this is $300 service performed by hygienist not dentist.

    You've heard the phrase "getting a little long in the tooth"?

    The gums recede as we age. Heart disease comes from inflammation of the arteries. Bacteria below the gum line needs to be cleaned periodically

    Have you seen all the polygrip commercials. A lot of people who don't believe in periodontal disease or preventive medicine are sporting dentures late in life,

    2 times a year is fine but I do three because it's easier to get the plaque off before it builds up too thick
     
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    20 some years ago I went through a Deep Cleaning due to Gingivitis. I had dealt with gum bleeding most of my life.
    I heard of people using H2O2 ( Peroxide 3% solution) to swish around for at least 45 seconds before spitting it out.
    That cleared most of my issues with bleeding gums for about a year as long as I used the peroxide and it would last two /three months when I quit using H2O2.

    Sometime later when I was using Electrically Isolated Silver / Colloidal Silver for Cold Sores and Zosters topically I decided to begin using EIS/CS on a daily bases. DMyODD, I found articles and testimonies from people who used EIS/CS to treat Gingivitis.
    Nowadays I use EIS/CS of at least a Tablespoonful two to three times a week for general health protocol.

    Anytime I notice any bleeding, which is not that often, I start swishing EIS/CS for 20-30 seconds and then swallow.

    The longer you hold EIS/CS in your mouth the EIS/CS gets under your gums and absorbed sublingually via the blood vessels under the tongue. Getting in and under the gum line kills the bacteria trying to build up there.

    So there are at least two ways you can treat yourself without going to the expensive dentists ( Deep Cleaners are a Specialty at least in Kentucky = more $$$$).

    DO NOT USE these two protocols in combination as H2O2 does NOT like EIS/CS and can cause a violent chemical reaction.
    I use H2O2 to clean my EIS/CS jars when silver would begin to plate up after numerous "cookings". AND rinse the jars several times with distilled water to assure clean.

    DYODD,
     
  9. gringott

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    Surprised they didn't offer the laser gum cleaning BS. Scared me into it, insurance paid, my personal opinion it didn't do anything.
    Yes, the teeth cleaning scam is terrible, I noticed the same thing, they don't do much any more.
    They must all be on the same email list telling them how to burn the customer.
     
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    Get an electric tooth brush, i prefer oral b. This is going to be the best decision you ever made for gum health


    Also, if you have trouble flossing regularly, get some of those dentek or store brand floss picks. Makes it so easy versus regular floss.

    These two things alone will heal your gums with time. I bet your hygienist will comment on the difference at your next 6 month check up
     
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  11. Rusty Shackelford

    Rusty Shackelford Midas Member Midas Member

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    I had deep cleaning/root planing done about a 8 yrs ago. Had not seen a dentist in 30 yrs prior. 4 sessions to clean 1/4 of mouth a time. Took about 1 hour per quad. Was all I could sit for. Cost was $300. Then I went to normal cleaning every 3 months for a year and then 2 times per year. Do the same probe test. Had lots of 3/4s and several 5s and a couple 6s. Now I am nearly all 2/3s with a couple 4s and no 5/6s.

    I can't really complain.
     
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  12. TAEZZAR

    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    At 75, my dentist told me that I would have my teeth for life. BUT, he is my fishing buddy.

    Go fishing with your dentist, he might give you a discount !!! LOLOLOL

    My wife does all of that, but she has gum problems. If you don't take care of your gums, your teeth will go.
    Our dentist sends my wife to a specialist that deep cleans her teeth once every two years.
    It is pricey BUT she does need it. I think it's in the $300 range.

    You might need it BUT find a reasonable dentist.
     
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  13. louky

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    Flossing and brushing are the two main steps to take care of your gums, so i'm not even sure what you mean, but it sounds like you're good to go at 75.....so yeah.
     
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    As REAL dentists retire,
    They are replaced by new math types.
    Its not a service anymore...but a factory....
    Production = $.
    " you are going to lose ALL of your teeth if we dont do xyz"
    " here is the print out ( 7800 ) of what you need "
    Some places are worse than a muffler sbop.
    Its a crap shoot to find someone honest.
     
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    It sounds like the 'new' veternarian shops.

    We have three tier service... good, better, best

    How much do you love your pet??

    Total scam!


    As for teeth, mine are pretty good. I use a Sonicare tooth brush 2X a day.

    It really cleans well!

    Flossing, while useless - according to government studies, works!

    I use those hand-held flossing picks by the bag. They're pretty durable and you can really 'work it' around your teeth and gums.

    Last cleaning I had was stellar!! They should pay ME to work in such a clean place!!

    I only floss those teeth that I want to keep...


    Dentistry is one of the only professions that works itself out of a job.
     
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    Uglytruth Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Thanks for the insight & experiences.

    Few years back I tried one of her Sonicare tooth brushes at $125. It sucked so bad I used it & started brushing right afterwards with my regular brush.
    Last year after her fateful warnings I bought another Sonicare. The $15 battery powered ones off ebay with heads that are about $1 each not $18 each.
    I bought rechargable batteries & I LOVE IT! It does a fantastic job. Lasted 11 months and I was happy. When it broke I bought 2 more.
     
  17. louky

    louky Silver Member Silver Miner

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    I've had the same oral b, used two times per day for 15 years. Just replace the heads when half the blue wears off the bristles. I prefer the round head over the long sonicare head because i like hitting every single tooth and gum line with perfect precision.

    Watch it die now......


    As far as the picks, those are about convenience. I never flossed until i started using those. Now it's automatic, nightly. So much easier to stick the pick in and work it around like goldhedge said, rather than trying to fit both hands in my mouth and keep the floss string on. Maybe i just have poor technique? Which the picks resolve....
     
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    My dentist said the picks while not to same as actual floss are a game changer for most. The ease of use gets people doing something as opposed to completely ignoring the process.
     
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    My mom TRIED to constant care with brushing her teeth, but back in those days she was literally brushing just teeth.
    She didn't keep hers with all she did.
    I did not find out how to properly brush my teeth until the late 80's when a dental student told me to make sure to brush my gum line "tickle your gums lightly with the brush. The tops and crowns of your teeth are well cleaned. Maybe too clean as their appears to be wear there".

    Back in my kid days Tooth brushing was actual tooth brushing and not gums except by accident.
    Completely a different world today.
    Worry about "tickling your gums lightly" and the teeth will get cleaned in the process.
     
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    Instead of floss, I use an oral irrigator like the one shown below. The strong water pulses remove anything between my teeth, and the lithium battery lasts for months between charges.

    Oral Irrigator.jpg

    I have one tooth with a gum pockets problem. I had previous problems when food was pushed into the pockets and caused inflammation that was very painful. Now, I use the oral irrigator to flush out the debris and clean out the pockets. That does not "cure" the problem that caused the gum pockets, but it is an easy way to prevent or eliminate pain. This type of oral irrigator typically costs around $40, but I often see various brands on sale for less than $30.
     
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    Brush with Sonicare and floss twice a day and you will have very little need for "Deep Cleaning". For first timers, Sonicare takes some time to get used to - but your teeth will feel like you had a dental cleaning everyday. I use Max Care setting that goes through multiple cleaning, whitening, and gum massage cycles. I've been using Sonicare for more than 20 years - my dentist sold me my first one and I've probably gone through 7 or 8 units since then - plus new replacement heads every couple of months. It is worth the cost - x's 10.
     
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    Maybe their customer base is down simply because less people can afford to go

    They gotta get their income from a smaller base group so the base price goes up

    but they've learned to break up the base procedures into so much more
     
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    Went to a new dentist this last week.....as a new customer i was charged $59 for full cleaning (multi step process)....full face x'ray...4 partial xrays...checkup..etc.........normally this would have cost $220.....spent about 1.5-2 hrs in chair.....

    Had a tooth that was starting to crack so they wanted to crown it in future crown cost $800

    Went to new dentist because old one retired and his replacement came in wearing bermuta shorts and wanted a huge multi year plan to cap...veneer. ..etc to the tune of many thousands i suspect because i could afford it ...

    Point is shop around
     
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    About 8 years ago, I had periodontal disease, went through deep cleaning where they cut my gums open and clean the bone etc. and stitched everything back up.

    Over the next 3-4 years I went in every three months, did everything they recommended daily. And yet my teeth continued to fall apart. Seems like a couple of cavities were found every year. Must have a genetic disposition for soft teeth or something.

    I was looking for something to help me and decided to buy a colloidal silver generator. Best thing I ever did. After brushing and flossing, I fill my mouth with a couple ounces of 10ppm colloidal silver. I just keep it in my mouth for a minimum of 10 minutes everyday.

    For going on 3-1/2 years now neither the periodontist or dentist have found anything, so I quit going to the periodontist (he was expensive). Now when the girl cleans my teeth she is done in about 10 minutes, the dentist takes a look and says keep up what you’re doing.

    I used to go in every 3 months for a cleaning, however once I started using colloidal silver I eventually stretched it out to every 4 months, then 6 months, and now I go once a year. Generally unheard of for someone who has had periodontal disease. Colloidal silver has allowed me to take control of my teeth and gums.
     
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    Nice story, man. I had similar, though not any advanced problems. Just that my mom, sister and dad would never have cavities, but I would always get them as a kid. We all used the same products, but every time we went to the dentist, I would have cavities. My sister has never had a cavity in her adult life (30's). This continued through college for me, then shortly after the dentist told my mom to get an oral B. I discovered the floss picks on my own, maybe like 7-8 years ago, but ever since the oral B, not one cavity in 15 years. Same amount of brushing as before, morning and night.
     
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    At 67 didnt have a cavity till a few years back, still have the old choppers cept one I had pulled it was a broken molar, didnt get the cavities till a few years after my cardiologist insistent i needed cholesterol meds due to my heart attack years back. I never had cleanings or none of that crap and had zip problems till taking meds for cholesterol.
     
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    Cholesterol meds, if they don't give you diabetes they take your teeth!
     
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    Personally, I have never felt the need for a deep dental cleaning...
     
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    One or two newspaper articles or mention on the 6 o'clock news would end that scam.
     
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    Ive been to the dentist once in the last 20 years. Total scam. To this day I have never had a cavity but the last time I was at the dentist he said he wanted to do some preventative drilling....in other words drill cavities into my teeth and fill them with mercury. I told him he could drill holes in his own face but I'm out. Never went back. I brush and use a water pick...and don't eat sugar. My teeth are fine.
     
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    My mom who lived until her mid 80s with her real teeth swore by this stuff when she had gum issues
    https://www.drugs.com/drp/gly-oxide-liquid.html


    [​IMG]Gly-oxide liquid


    Description/Active Ingredient: GLY-OXIDE Liquid contains carbamide peroxide 10%.


    Actions: Gly-Oxide is specially formulated to release peroxide and oxygen bubbles in your mouth. The peroxide and oxygen-rich microfoam help:

    • gently remove unhealthy tissue, then cleanse and soothe canker sores and minor wounds and inflammations so natural healing can better occur.
    • kill odor-forming germs.
    • foam and flush out food particles ordinary brushing can miss.
    • clean stains from orthodontics/dentures/bridgework/etc. better than brushing alone.

    Indications For Temporary Use: Gly-Oxide liquid is for temporary use in cleansing canker sores and minor wound or gum inflammation resulting from minor dental procedures, dentures, orthodontic appliances, accidental injury, or other irritations of the mouth and gums. Gly-Oxide can also be used to guard against the risk of infections in the mouth and gums.

    Everyday Uses: Gly-Oxide may be used routinely to improve oral hygiene as an aid to regular brushing or when regular brushing is inadequate or impossible such as total care geriatrics, etc. Gly-Oxide kills germs to reduce mouth odors and/or odors on dental appliances. Gly-Oxide penetrates between teeth and other areas of the mouth to flush out food particles ordinary brushing can miss. This can be especially useful when brushing is made more difficult by the presence of orthodontics or other dental appliances. Plus, Gly-Oxide helps remove stains on dental appliances to improve appearance.


    Directions For Temporary Use: Do not dilute. Replace tip on bottle when not in use. Adults and children 2 years of age and older: Apply several drops directly from bottle onto affected area; spit out after 2 to 3 minutes. Use up to four times daily after meals and at bedtime or as directed by dentist or doctor. OR place 10 drops on tongue, mix with saliva, swish for several minutes, and then spit out. Use by children under 12 years of age should be supervised. Children under 2 years of age: Consult a dentist or doctor.

    Directions For Everyday Use: The product may be used following the temporary use directions above. OR apply Gly-Oxide to the toothbrush (it will sink into the brush), cover with toothpaste, brush normally, and spit out.


    Warnings: Severe or persistent oral inflammation, denture irritation, or gingivitis may be serious. If sore mouth symptoms do not improve in 7 days, or if irritation, pain, or redness persists or worsens, or if swelling, rash, or fever develops, discontinue use of product and see your dentist or doctor promptly. Avoid contact with eyes. KEEP THIS AND ALL DRUGS OUT OF THE REACH OF CHILDREN. In case of accidental overdose, seek professional assistance or contact a poison control center immediately.


    Inactive Ingredients: Citric Acid, Flavor, Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Sodium Stannate, Water, and Other Ingredients.

    Protect from excessive heat and direct sunlight.


    How Supplied
    GLY-OXIDE Liquid is available in 1 / 2 -fl-oz and 2-fl-oz plastic squeeze bottles with applicator spouts.

    Comments or Questions? Call Toll-free

    1-800-245-1040 Weekdays

    GlaxoSmithKline Consumer Healthcare, L.P.

    Moon Township, PA 15108

    Made in U.S.A.
     
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    My thoughts s are it could be just the opposite with the uptick with people on Obummercare. We are talking hygentistry (if that is even word) that is part of routine maintenance like physicals that is covered by insurance. More patients may not mean more money.
     
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    Twenty years ago i had an MSU dentist try and tell me i had a dead tooth and it needed immediate extraction. I extracted myself out of his chair and office .....i still have that non dead tooth.

    About 12 years ago my old dentist passed away so i was shopping around for a new dentist. The Doc turned out to be an elephant worshiper from NYU and he tried telling me I had six cavities and I should set up appointments blah blah blah.

    I left and went and found an American dentist (white female) for a second opinion and she told me I did not have six cavities and that I should report the dentist ...I didn't, but she's been my dentist ever since. I go in every 6th months for a cleaning and still haven't had one let alone six cavities. I don't eat sugar, brush a couple of times a day but will admit I'm a serial flosser.
     
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    They are deep cleaning your wallet.

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    Remember when everybody had dental insurance? That along with vision was the first things to go when government got involved with the health insurance industries.
    The dentists that managed to stay in business really stepped up the scare tactics after that.

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    Our dentists must have gone to the same conference. I have been using the same dentist for cleanings etc. every 6 months for the last 20 years, ever since he got out of dental school. The one thing that bugged me about him for the last couple of years is his aggressive attempts to milk me for extra procedures. Even sleep studies and snoring aids that seem to have little to do with dentistry. But yesterday's 'cleaning' was over the top.

    I went in for my usual 6 month cleaning. The hygenist- there's always a new one- started probing and calling out the mm depth numbers. Now, I've always had a lot of 2s, 3s and 4s, and a couple of 5s but she was calling some 6s and 7s, every once in a while calling out 'bleeding'- Hell yes it's bleeding! Lighten up on the probe biatch... You hit an artery... She would insist that I not swallow while she grabbed her camera. I knew it was so she could get the blood in the photo. And I also suspected she was setting me up for something. And she measured every tooth dip and buckle. Must have been 100 probings. Very strange. And another full set of x-rays. At the end she played a video about periodontal disease along with my charts and photos all presented Power-Point fashion.

    Then she didn't even clean my teeth. It was like she was just sewing up a cancer patient to send to hospice or something. Asked about it she just said that insurance would not pay for it because I would have to come back and have a 'deep cleaning' too soon after. And she needed to submit my application to the insurance company for approval for the new procedure. After a meeting with the 'scheduling coordinator' and seeing the crazy price for this 2-step procedure and presumed life-long followups it all started to come together for me.

    But the clincher was, as I was leaving I ran into an acquaintance in the waiting room in her mid to late 20s who was waiting for her turn with the 'scheduling coordinator'. She has what appear in every way to be very healthy, well maintained teeth and gums. We discussed our diagnoses and, surprise-surprise, we both 'need' the exact same procedure.

    Long story longer... It ain't happening. I don't care if the insurance pays for all of it or not. I'm getting a new dentist.
     
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    I got a new dentist a little over a year ago after going several years without one. The constant dramatics and things like you and other folks described was enough. I came home and told my wife I was never going back to that shyster.
    It got to be like going to a new oil change place and the guys swear they just cannot let you leave without spending $900 because your car just isn't safe enough to move another inch.

    The new dentist took some x rays and told me my teeth are great.

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    Thanks for jogging my memory...... it did start years ago with a sleeping guard at $600 and the $125 tooth brush that used $17 heads........
    She does great work ........ but I'm going to start asking around......

    I hope next time she gets her oil changes they don't change the filter without a extra "deep cleaning" charge!
    She mentioned her 100K education........ I countered with my $30K tool box & 4 years of schooling. Thieves with entitlement issues.
     

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