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EMP and your gun safe.

Discussion in 'Survival (Preps & Homestead)' started by Vlad The Impaler, Aug 15, 2016.



  1. Vlad The Impaler

    Vlad The Impaler Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    IS EMP a threat to your ability to open the electronic coded gun safe? Did they start making them all like that on purpose?
     
  2. Mujahideen

    Mujahideen Black Member Midas Member

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    Yes.

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    Vlad The Impaler Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Can a coded safe be converted to a dial opener?
     
  4. ErrosionOfAccord

    ErrosionOfAccord #1 Global Warmer Gold Chaser Site Supporter ++

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  5. BackwardsEngineeer

    BackwardsEngineeer If I weren't a snowflake, I'd have no luck at all Silver Miner

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    Vlad & EA,
    I know a fellow that opens expensive home and bank safes for a living, by no means cheaply. He drills, taps, cuts then opens.... then he completely restores. His biggest customers are stackers who don't trust their kids/significants and die with the combination. He is called in and has some amazing stories about the big revealings. He is is my primary source when in acquisition mode, often contents are immediately put up for sale and he simply says I know a guy who might be interested.......
     
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    viking Silver Member Silver Miner

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    I don't lock up something I might need fast in an emergency.
     
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    smooth Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Gun safe or residential security container?
     
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    Yes




    This video has additional information

     
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    stonedywankanobe Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Hey i like my keyed rsc grandpa!
     
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  10. Aurumag

    Aurumag Dimly lit. Highly reflective Midas Member Site Supporter

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    I wish I could remember where I put my gunsafe...

    And where is the key?
     
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    I have had some concerns about my ability to operate the keypad following an EMP, so several years ago I paid a company several hundred dollars to replace the electronic keypad with a dial. If the keypad is disabled due to an EMP, what is chance you will be able to call up a locksmith on your electronic phone to open the safe using his/her electric drill?
     
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  12. ttazzman

    ttazzman Midas Member Midas Member Site Supporter

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    I built a concrete room with rebar at 8" on center each direction on all 6 sides.....put a secure fire metal door on it.......then put my safe's inside.....use the room as a safe room....tornado room...etc......the metal in the walls etc works as a faraday cage so i store any sensitive electronics inside it (backups etc)..........i highly recommend it...picture is just prior to pouring the roof concrete....was probably cheaper than a couple of expensive gun safes and is multi-purpose
     

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  13. Aurumag

    Aurumag Dimly lit. Highly reflective Midas Member Site Supporter

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    a Faraday Bunker.

    I like it!
     
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    Will a shipping container act like a faraday cage?
     
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    ttazzman Midas Member Midas Member Site Supporter

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    the concept of a faraday cage is is that what is inside is completely surrounded by a conducting material that is fully grounded so any from any direction electrical pulses come from the easiest path to ground is through the cage to a ground....typicaly this means the cage is grounded on the full perimeter

    as a example i built several facilities for sensitive electronics and the getting a shell of conductive material is easy but getting a full perimeter ground is usually the problem...in a case where $ was no issue we normally dug a trench around the facility down to good grounding soil with moisture content then then laid a mesh copper wire (about the size of your arm) full perimeter with any joints/connections welded and attached it to copper ground rods driven every 8' or so backfilled it with good soil this ground loop was attached to the cage at intervals that were determined to be less than half way accross the shortest distance inside the cage...IE if the cage was 10' sq it was attached to ground no more than 5' intervals...items inside the cage need to be isolated from ground in a perfect world

    point is .....YES your container can act as a faraday cage if grounded correctly and items inside are isolated from ground (buried in the ground it would have a perfect ground on all sides)

    of course these are my understandings i have no personal experience with EMPs solar or otherwise
     
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    the_shootist The war is here on our doorstep! Midas Member Site Supporter ++

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    The 'safes' they sell today are heavy gauge steel boxes. If you have a working circular saw with a metal cutting blade you can just cut the side of the safe off and pull your guns out.
     
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    To address the thread question: use the KISS principle. Keep It Simple, Stupid. No EMP or dead battery ever froze up an old dial lock. Good security is never convenient -- if it is then you are doing it wrong.

    Safes are just big advertisements for where the valuables are and for where the thieves are supposed to go. The best place to store valuables is somewhere where the thieves won't think to look or won't have time to look and find.

    I've seen articles where secret compartments were built into some of the darnedest things everything from couches to home appliances to whole secret rooms. The best one was a secret room inside a vault room. That trick I think might be shortly proven to go back to King Tut's time if they decide to knock down that wall in his tomb. I've even seen floor safes hidden under regular safes, et cetera, et cetera. Your paranoid mind is the only limitation.

    Personally, I love ttazzman's idea of getting the most use out of his safe room as he showed in a prior post. Well played T-Man!
     
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    Storing things like small motor bike so I have light transportation to lift over obstacles.
     

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