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Discussion in 'Survival (Preps & Homestead)' started by Argent Dragon, Sep 11, 2013.



  1. Argent Dragon

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    Yeah, it's borderline and a bit on the undersized end of application.

    Alamo flail specs list the weight at 930-lbs. Tractordata specs list the Kubota at 1565-lbs. with 1,015-lbs. rear lift @ 24". The guy said he gives it a bit more gas during lifting.
    Stout little tractor for its size but I'll more than likely be looking for a more manageable mowing implement. It'll get me through this season though.
     
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    i am extremely curious as to how the flail performs in different conditions.....how it cuts....how it works with the tractor Hp...etc....always thought they were a good option theoretically but never exposed to one......you have the perfect test bed there, as any issues with power etc will show up quickly..

    can you set the mow height with dolly wheels? to take load off of tractor?
     
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    Kuboto-04.jpg

    Pic of the 3-cylinder 19-hp diesel.
    Is this the smallest diesel made ?......It sure looks it.
     
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    nawwwwwww.....i know kubota b6000 are 2cylinders....they sucked because the tractor pto was counter clockwise.....yours is a behemoth comparatively LOL

    compact diesel 4wd tractors will do a whole lot more than you give them credit for ...main draw back is physical weight.....they work better with all the weight you can add
     
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    No dolly wheels, but there are several bolt holes on both sides by the back roller. Its built very similar to a rotary tiller but with chains + flail cutters and a metal roller on the backside.

    I'll post some pictures of it in action / results when I can.
     
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    Hey Argent you should know that those things have been known to start fires..... just thought you should know...
     
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    so will rotary cutters if you run them into rocks with dry grass.......
     
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    I've been looking at getting a flail mower for my 21 hp B7510. I wanted to get a 60" mower but all of the guidance says 48" is the max with the power I have (my owners manual says 42" max), and here you come along with a 78" mower and 19 hp! I'm also very interested in how it performs. My pre-purchase research leads me to think that the Alamo mowers are very heavy duty and highly regarded. I'll probably go with a Chinese cheapy (Value Leader brand) for my relatively light duty cutting.
     
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    According to the Alamo Industrial site, a 20-hp can pull a 62" flail. See the 2nd page at the bottom in fine print for the chart. >> http://www.alamo-industrial.com/Documents/Literature/1_shd_aug_2013.pdf

    Now, I'm not sure why everyone regards HP ratings as the measure of pulling power when it's actually TORQUE that does the job.
    That said, a 19hp Diesel is a lot stronger than a 19hp Gasoline tractor. My little Ferguson TO-20 is too weak for these kind of chores........it's more of a 'parade' tractor and my wife likes the nostalgia look with metal seat and all.
     
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    FWIW ~ here's the underneath which is surprisingly clean. With some sanding in the rough spots on top and touch-up paint, I can get her to look more like new. Flails on the mower visible in the background.

    Kubota-06.jpg
     
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    looks awful clean underneath for a tractor..........a tractor needs grease globs n lube smeared around to look right on top of some spilt hydraulic fluid......

    lol its one of my rules to not buy a used tractor that i cant see the lube trails.......just hate it when i go to a auction and a tractor has been all powerwashed up and fresh lubed to cover and tighten things up
     
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    Wellllllllllll........did you break it already or what........need a flail mower and tractor review....
     
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    Gaffney SC Plowday , Featuring Red Bibs Bill and his 3588 2+2



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    Attended a plowday hosted by the Broad River Antique power club in Gaffney SC back in early June 2015 . Not the most ideal plowing conditions the soil was fine but there were more than a few rock and small tree stumps to contend with . However it was a great day and a good trip .
     
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    This little tractor ain't big enough for this job, but it got the last 100 bales made after we had a hitch problem on her big brother. Amazing really what these small old tractors can do for pennies on the dollar compared to new ones.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Who knows the 444 International tractor? One for sale on the 8th and I'm interested.
     
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    Glad to see this thread back up......

    Looking at your square baler picture.....its amazing how little HP it takes to run a old Square baler like that i regularly run mine behind my smallest tractor (35hp pto) and it handles it just fine.......a lot of those old balers had a small gas engine on the frount of the baler instead of pto....i have a couple of old john deere 24ts from the 60s that still do a great job mine are pto driven.....here is a 24t that has its own gas engine

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    Dont own one i prefer green.......but they are extremely popular in our area for a utility tractor role rarely see them for sale people keep them forever.....im sure your aware they come in both Gas and Diesel versions and have live pto, .....not sure about hydraulics.....from what i have heard from owners they are keepers but like anything its all about how it was maintained so buyer beware...

    they are old enough i would check to make sure parts are availible in your area around here that is not a issue due to thier popularity
     
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    Tazz, I enjoy your knowledge but your taste in color sucks.LOL
    Here is a link to the sale and if you peruse it you'll see I'm interested in more than one item.
    http://www.globalauctionguide.com/alberta-auctions/edward-and-carol-ries-s-262044.html

    Have you ever used wire to tie bales? I've watched a couple of the old balers with their own engine work and that farm show magazine I eluded to about a year ago has had some interesting ones in it.
     
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    the color of tractor taste is purely a family tradition......but gawd if you get a different color one its certainly heresey........LOL....whooole lotaa red round here....IH..Case...Farmall...etc.

    I am kinda a little of a black sheep cause i run some caterpillar stuff but thats ok since its more heavy equip stead of JD heavy equip.

    for some reason this area of the country just doesnt do wire bales i have never actually seen a wire tie baler work .......used to if we bought hay out of kansas etc it would come in wire tied though...small square bales are a thing of the past around here too all the big stuff we do is alfalfa wrapped haylage round bales......me being retired i got the family job of doing the nickle dime square bales for everyones horses..
     
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    Brother Dragon.........you still owe us a report on your Flail Mower and Kubota
     
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    That little 444 sold for $7,900 Can and I didn't get it. I did get the NH sickle mower that is virtually new and has two knives for $1,300 Can. First time I've ever seen 9 3pth items sell on choice.
     
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    Got home Monday night with my new 165.
    [​IMG]

    Then on Wednesday I went up to Vermillion to pick up the PTO seal [$2.84:36_1_25:] and saw this little critter at a different dealership.
    [​IMG]
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    I found the guy who had it on consignment and got it for exactly half what the dealership wanted.
     
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    pitw.....are you starting a tractor farm up there LOL............do you guys prefer to run Gas or Diesel up there? ......keep this up and you will have more tractors than implements
     
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    I will get the ones I want and sell the rest as that was the plan. We prefer diesel for working but the gas jobs are easier to start in the winter for snow clearing.
     
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    FWIW.......im pretty sure those old commercial MF tractors came 3 ways on the PTO......(no pto) (live pto) (non-live pto) ...since it seems to have a PTO on it you might wana make sure which version it has......dont asssume its live........otherwise they usually have a strong frount end and heavy duty loader on them
     
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    Actually they have ground drive too. Excellent for cleaning out the cutter bar. The clutch can be set for live or non live.
     
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    From my neighbors field when I lived in that neighborhood.
    tractor.jpg
     
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    Sunday I got caught doing nothing by a landowner up North[I was watching geese in the am] and he said, "Seeing as you got nothing to do jump in I need you for a few hours". Soooo I ended up driving this
    [​IMG]

    for 3.5 hours while he pounded a mile of fence posts. I ain't a JD fan by any means but will admit this is a damb fine tractor.
     
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    @Pitw........need me to send you some green n yellow spray paint


    of course i cant tell what it is but it appears to be a 6cyl and a 70s-80s rig ....so it is a heck of a tractor compared to what you have been posting earlier ....lotta torque n hp in that rig, lotta tractor....
     
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    I picked this unit up today for $250.
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    The flails ain't never been turned on the 340.
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    When an injector fried a cylinder not long after a top end overhaul, we were reluctant to throw any more money into this old 4520 tractor. It only made sense to yank the newer 404 turbo out of our retired 7700 Turbo and mate it to the 4520 frame. The combine 404 had over 4000 hours on the engine but ran like a champ. With this new engine the tractor now revs over 2400 RPM and makes for excellent PTO operations such as a grain vac. The extra RPM allows her to cruise just over 20 MPH WOT. It was sad to see the 7700 turbo put to rest, as it was the first combine we learned to drive. It was a fun project, hope you enjoyed watching it!

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    Was watching some of the conversion videos and was wondering how come I always work alone.

    Oh and for those who do things the odd way. In the video above that john deer one when you have purchased a tractor that is over 40 years old and find that the fuel lines have that solid crap in them take the fuel lines off and apply heat to melt that stuff. I was doing one and I had to even plug the tank and boil the fuel damm near with a propane torch. The fuel was so hot I could not keep my hand in it. so out comes fuel and goop and of course upon cooling a bit the goop stays in the bottom of the buckets. So did this three times and then hooked up and ran BUT, but I failed to leave the tractor running. AND, by golly that goop somehow solidified in the injector pump. Yep no fuel going to injectors now as it just bypasses and heads out the return line.

    Oh the joys of working on old iron.

    Edit: Only use the information in this post if you have to get a tractor out of the field and back to the shop as I have been running into this problem a bunch. I just cleaned a 152 or a MF135 and have a different way to accomplish a cleaning.
     
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