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First Spouse Coins

Discussion in 'PM's - Coins - Numis - Base Metals' started by ppius13, Apr 1, 2010.



  1. hernancortes

    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Quick check: 2012's were pulled after 12-15 months; 2013's pulled after 19-22 months; 2014's (minus Roosevelt) left on sale for 24-26 months until sellout.
    From my recollection the mint struck too many 2012's, overestimating demand in the wake of the late 2011 Hayes and Garfield surprise sellouts.
     
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    macrohedge New Member

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    Very valuable information, hernan
     
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    macrohedge New Member

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    Bess Truman debut April 2015, 21 months
     
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    Starter Silver Member Silver Miner

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    I may decide to buy one FS coin within the next few days, especially after looking at tomorrow's sales report.

    I really believe that coin design will be a significant factor in valuation of the coins in the secondary market. Of the coins still available, I have found some faults with the design of most of the coins:

    Eisenhower - The "I like Mamie" looks like a joke.

    Johnson - The message "Beautify our Cities, Parks and Highways" is over-elaborated, and the flowers are poorly positioned.

    Nixon - The paper doll design looks crude.

    Reagan - The "Just Say No" looks silly.

    I like the designs of the Kennedy, Truman, and Ford coins. But I am not considering buying the Kennedy coin due to the much higher mintage.

    If I buy one FS coin, it would cost about one-third the funds I spent on the NPS Gold Unc coin--that is just about where I want to be with my budget, though buying two coins is not out of the question.
     
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    hernancortes Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    The recent mint sales reports are strongly suggesting they struck more 2015 and 2016 coins than they did the 2014s. So if you want to speculate on spouses from the mint you are banking on their early removal from the catalog.
     
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    Starter Silver Member Silver Miner

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    Here are the FS Gold Unc sales numbers and those from the last 2 weeks...

    First Spouse JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 1806 12/26/2016
    First Spouse JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 1906 12/26/2016
    First Spouse JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - KENNEDY 6424 12/26/2016
    First Spouse JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 1717 12/26/2016
    First Spouse 16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1477 12/26/2016
    First Spouse 16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 1437 12/26/2016
    First Spouse 16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - REAGAN 1721 12/26/2016

    First Spouse JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 1809 01/02/2017
    First Spouse JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 1913 01/02/2017
    First Spouse JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - KENNEDY 6439 01/02/2017
    First Spouse JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 1724 01/02/2017
    First Spouse 16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1531 01/02/2017
    First Spouse 16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 1501 01/02/2017
    First Spouse 16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - REAGAN 1744 01/02/2017

    First Spouse JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 1814 01/08/2017
    First Spouse JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 1916 01/08/2017
    First Spouse JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - KENNEDY 6462 01/08/2017
    First Spouse JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 1729 01/08/2017
    First Spouse 16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1555 01/08/2017
    First Spouse 16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 1522 01/08/2017
    First Spouse 16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - REAGAN 1771 01/08/2017


    Sales of Nixon and Ford slowed down after seeing the big surge the previous week. Maybe collectors were alarmed by the large jump for both coins.

    I still am focusing on the Truman and Ford coins, by virtue of their designs. After seeing today's numbers, Ford has the slight edge.
     
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    macrohedge New Member

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    After seeing the recent sales numbers, I think it is becoming more likely that bird Johnson uncirculated emerges as the ultimate key.
     
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    Starter Silver Member Silver Miner

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    I think the FS series is very unusual.

    Mintage may not be the dominating factor. I believe mintage, design, and popularity play key factors in the secondary market.

    For example, the poor designs of the Eisenhower and Reagan coins are killing their prices on the secondary market, even though both Unc versions of the coins have mintage under 2000. On ebay, MS70s consistently sell for under $850 for both issues.

    On the other hand, the Kennedy coin continues to bring in good sales at the Mint, even though the mintage is more than triple the other coins. I found a website that ranks the popularity of the spouses:

    http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-l...n-us-history?format=GRID&action=tab&type=list

    In this ranking, the first 5 spouses are:

    Kennedy
    Roosevelt
    Reagan
    Washington
    Ford

    The next closest in popularity, of the ones still available, are Eisenhower, at #9, and Johnson, at #12.

    When considering mintage, design, and popularity, the Roosevelt coin is head and shoulders above all the other coins, but it has already been discontinued.

    Out of the ones remaining, I would say Ford is the best candidate for value, even if many other collectors also say the same.
     
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    Starter Silver Member Silver Miner

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    Just made an order of the 2016 Betty Ford Unc FS coin.

    Betty Ford 2016 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin
    WEST POINT (W)
    $770.00 Qty 1 Total: $770.00

    Assuming this order does not result in a return, this will be my only FS coin bought from the Mint.
     
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    macrohedge New Member

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    Betty ford unc. May become the key, good luck!
     
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    Will the mint pulll all 2015 and 2016 spouse coins before launching the HR liberty gold coin in April?
     
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    Man,where is history student?
     
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    Starter Silver Member Silver Miner

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    The coin has arrived!

    I must say, the packaging for these coins is very impressive. Unfortunately, that says nothing about the coin itself...

    Perhaps I may wait 5 years or so before deciding whether to get the coin graded.
     
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    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    The packaging for the UNCs, with the polished burl boxes, is even nicer than the proofs. A really nice touch, imo. Just goes to show, these were created as collector coins/series, not for investment purposes.

    Congratulations on your purchase. Hope you enjoy the coin.
     
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    The mint website says, "Farewell to the First Spouse Program - Shop our collection of products."

    Has anybody seen additional info on this?

    I was wondering if they plan to pull the remaining products soon, or if this is just a ploy to sell them off quicker.
     
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    MrLucky Silver Member Silver Miner

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    That been up for a little while now. I think it's a ploy to move stock. But with the Mint, one never knows. Still if there isn't much action in the gold aisle, why take your items off the shelf?
     
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    That's why I recently bought three Truman uncirculated coins . Just in case....
     
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    Alton Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    I wonder if the mint will need to get a license from George Lucas to mint the Wookie coin?
     
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    Bird johnson proof gone....
     
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    The net sales for the first spouse gold coins across all options in the week ending 30 April was 2 coins.
     
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    savvydon Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    I'm ready to sing good night to the ladies and see if any post production market opens up.
     

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