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  1. Irons

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    Le Pen Surges to Lead Presidential Polls in France
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    reports Paris Match.

    Support for the Republicans’s candidate is eroding among voters who opted for Nicolas Sarkozy in 2012, and also people in France who are less well off, and sceptical of his free marketeer reform ambitions. In vital categories, Fillon faces setbacks in support with minus 12 points among workers (8 per cent) and minus 11 among the wider middle and lower middle class (11 per cent).

    However, even if Le Pen wins the first round in April, polls published Tuesday show she could be defeated by 64 per cent to 36 per cent in the subsequent election runoff. According to the survey, independent candidate Emmanuel Macron, a former economy minister in France, would win 17 to 20 per cent of the vote in the first round.

    The poll results showed none of the four main contenders for the candidacy for the ruling Socialist party even reaching the second round in the scenarios put forward, but former Prime Minister Manuel Valls is currently favourite to fill the slot.

    Le Pen is a noted Eurosceptic and has promised to hold a referendum regarding France’s membership of the European Union (EU) following populist victories at the ballot box for Brexit and Donald Trump in 2016.

    Noting that Fillon “succeeded in his primary by identifying himself as a man of Catholic beliefs and values and an opponent of same-sex marriage and abortion”, veteran conservative columnist Pat Buchanan has said the front-runners this year in France’s presidential election indicate that people in Europe are tired of the western model of “liberal democracy”.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/11/le-pen-surges-lead-presidential-polls/
     
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    Marine Le Pen in Trump Tower During Unannounced Visit to New York

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    Per pool: MARINE LE PEN is in Trump Tower right now


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    More from pool: MARINE LE PEN spotted in Trump Tower with 3 other people, declined to say why she was there.

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    Marine Le Pen here in basement of #Trump tower. Via @srl . Trump met Farage (UK) in Nov, Bannon spoke openly supporting populist wave in EU

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    Story continues:

    Ms Le Pen, who is currently leading in the polls, is visiting the city in a private capacity, according to her campaign chief David Rachline.

    Bloomberg quotes an unnamed aide to Donald Trump as saying the President-Elect has no plans to meet with Ms Le Pen.

    Mr Rachline also confirmed: “It’s not on her public agenda. We don’t communicate about private visits.”

    Marine Le Pen has been an outspoken supporter of President-elect Trump over the course of the United States Presidential election cycle. The visit comes after a number of meetings between the President-elect and Britain’s Nigel Farage, and has launched a raft of speculation on Twitter over the nature of the visit.

    One poll earlier this week put the Front National leader ahead of centre-right candidate François Fillon in the race to be France’s next president. The poll by Ifop-Fiducial put Ms Le Pen on 26 to 26.5 per cent support, while Mr Fillon was on 24 to 25 per cent.

    However, she may still face defeat thanks the France’s two-round electoral system, with 64 per cent of voters saying they would vote for Mr Fillon in a runoff between the two candidates.

    Ms Len Pen is gaining support with her populist, Eurosceptic policies. She has already pledged to renegotiate France’s membership of the European Union and put the result to a referendum. She has also signalled her opposition to France’s membership of the euro currency, which many French people blame for holding back the economy and impoverishing them.

    However, she has also gained large support for her strong-borders views and her opposition to Islamisation.

    Her popularity rose in particular after last July’s terror attack in Nice, when she called on then interior minister Bernard Cazeneuve to resign after a spate of Islamist attacks.

    “In any other country in the world, a minister with a death toll as horrendous as Bernard Cazeneuve – 250 dead in 18 months – would have resigned a long time ago,” she said.

    She added that the main cause of the wave of Islamist attacks in France is Islamic State and their “murderous ideology that we let develop in our country

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/12/marine-le-pen-unannounced-visit-new-york/
     
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    Fingers crossed the world can flush another globalist regime...............Go Marine!!!

    The Revolt Against Globalism: Marine Le Pen Moves Into 1st Place In France!

    Ryan Saavedra Jan 19th, 2017 9:56 am Leave a Comment

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    When the people of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union, they surely couldn’t have imagined the effect that it would have worldwide.

    It was only shortly thereafter that Donald Trump won the U.S. Presidential election in November which sent shock waves throughout the world.

    Angela Merkel is on the hot seat in Germany, Renzi is out in Italy, and now Bloomberg reports that conservative populist Marine Le Pen is leading in France.

    Marine Le Pen is gaining support in France and has taken the lead in a major survey of voters’ intentions for the first round of the presidential election.

    The populist leader of the National Front had between 25 percent and 26 percent support compared with 23 percent to 25 percent for Republican candidate Francois Fillon, according to an Ipsos Sopra Steria poll for Cevipof and Le Monde. In mid December, Fillon led with about 28 percent and Le Pen around 25 percent.

    Since the election of Donald Trump as U.S. president on Nov. 8, the French race has been closely-watched as another crucial battle between populist and establishment forces.


    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/revolt-globalism-marine-le-pen-moves-1st-place-france/
     
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    Clearly CNN has been ignored in France too.

    CNN=The Ignorables!
     
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    He's a decent man that farage, but his run was too early, and I suspect he too weak of stature to be a player in the EU transformation. He's a Jimmy Carter, a good man with great vision but too soft.
     
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    One Echo – France’s Marine Le Pen Launches Presidential Campaign…
    Posted on February 6, 2017 by sundance

    A few weeks ago, January 12th, Marine Le Pen was in New York, noticed lunching in Trump Tower during a brief visit – The PING. Yesterday she officially launched her presidential campaign – The ECHO

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    Le Pen blasted “two totalitarianisms” of globalization and Islamic fundamentalism during her campaign kick-off speech, and delivered a resoundingly well received nationalist speech to her National Front supporters.

    Britain’s vote to leave the European Union and U.S. President Donald Trump’s election have revealed the “awakening of the people against oligarchies” she said, while praising President Trump as a man who respects campaign promises and “acts quickly.”

    Her political opposition and liberal media critics were quick to call her campaign speech “a frightening image of France’s future”, eliciting an almost identical reaction as initially felt in U.S. media following the campaign launch of President Trump in 2015.

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    “We are enslaved to the European Union and unrecognizable as French.” “France risks losing its identity if the political status quo endures”. “We are at a crossroad …. This election is a choice of civilization,” she said. Further asking whether her three children or any children of France would continue to have the rights and cultural values of the current generation; asking: “will they even speak our French language?”

    She issued a call for French voters on the left and right to join her, saying:

    […] “You have a place at our side.” “We do not want to live under the rule or threat of Islamic fundamentalism. They are looking to impose on us gender discrimination in public places, full body veils or not, prayer rooms in the workplace, prayers in the streets, huge mosques … or the submission of women.”

    5,000 people in the amphitheater and watching on big screens cheered and chanted “On est chez nous” (“We are in our land.”) Le Pen outlined a nationalist agenda laying out a pledge to call for an EU referendum within 6 months if she is successful, along with plans for France to leave the European Union, control its borders and reinstitute the French franc as the national currency.

    Marine Le Pen’s campaign slogan is: “In the Name of the People”.

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    Her outlined platform would create popular referendums on any issue that gathered at least 500,000 signatures; and it would put French people first, with “national preference” enshrined in the Constitution.

    “We’ve witnessed the impoverishment of France for some years now at a cultural, economic and social level,” Billy Winkens, a 41-year-old supporter from Toule, in eastern France, said. “Today, people are hungry for change and want to drain the swamp, but in an orderly fashion, with coherence.”

    Le Pen repeated her belief “the European Union is a failure” to an audience that is increasingly recognizing the cultural values of France are being drowned in the failed sea of multiculturalism that has become the EU. “It hasn’t upheld one of its promises especially in terms of prosperity and security.” She said the EU is “historical parentheses and, hopefully, one day, just a bad memory.”

    Additionally, Le Pen outlined a plan to withdraw France from NATO’s integrated command, crack down on illegal immigration and reduce immigration to 10,000 people a year. No one living in France illegally would be issued residency documents or allowed to acquire French citizenship. She said her administration would arrange for foreigners convicted of crimes in France to serve their prison terms in their homelands. “There will be no other laws and values in France but French,” she said.


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    KWN article, France & Netherlands political change brings Euro crack up, brings crisis. This is a great candidate for the trigger this go around. DYODD etc, only a month or so to wait... probably a slow burn but we will see.
     
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    Beware the Ides of March.... If the Dutch go Populist, its pretty much over.
     
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    The similarities between the European populists, and President Trump, are Superficial at best !

    On the one hand the POTUS wants to turn America back to what it was relatively few years ago, ie, a successful nation where its residents can enjoy progress according to their abilities. The Euro Whacko's also want to turn the clock back, but even the meanest knowledge of history will know where that idea is headed.

    Then there'd be the aspect that would certainly favour the USA in the event of a breakup of the EU ? Obviously in the new landscape that lies ahead of us all, the disintegration of the largest trading bloc on the planet would be advantageous to the other players. So from that perspective, the likes of LePen et al, are little more than useful idiots in what is shaping up to be a change in global trading systems.

    It'd make more sense for those who govern Euroland to face up to the new circumstances and react accordingly, instead of imagining that a Trump Administration is something that is somehow going to be a short term aberration. It'd be a good start if they simply acknowledged the failure of nearly a decade of ZIRP bizzaro world, and realised that the current wave of populism has been born of their inability to get the economic patient off the financial ventilator.

    It's as well to remember that the lunacy of ZIRP is in no way restricted to just the Euro Zone, and ultimately, its destruction rests with the place where it all started, the USA ? In that respect I hope that President Trump will be able to effect some change, but be aware, populism is a two edged sword. If President Trump fails in that endeavour, then what comes after will not please all those who are currently thinking populism to be such a good idea.
     
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    I don't see that there's any way off the "financial ventilator". The rest of the world is following the example Japan set in the 90s and it will be every bit as successful.

    To get out of this mess central banksters and goobermint stooges would have to do the one thing they can never do...just let shit happen without trying to micromanage everything into oblivion while lying about it.
     
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    I'm thinking the 'Only' way out of the current impasse would be a return to nation states operating their economies in a competitive manner ? Like in the old days when exports had to keep in line with imports or you had a currency crisis.

    That of course means an end to the cosy arrangement that Central Banks have taken to whereby they seem to think they're all in it together.

    Given that competitive trade is likely going to make a comeback, it makes even less sense for Europe to revert to being a collection of small nations trying to compete locally, rather than competing in the main arena ?

    I'd guess the Germans have already sensed the wind is changing, but then they never really got away from the old model of making and selling stuff. For which they get lambasted by Americans for being the strongest economy in Europe. Its pretty much the case of Germany having kept the rest of Europe floating higher than would otherwise have been the case, whilst many other EU members frolicked in what they imagined was a new world of endless wealth for doing not a lot.

    Quite where that leaves Britain is open to doubt. Probably in a dreamworld of its own making where British is still Best, and where despite wanting the reassurance of a lifeboat supplied by the USA, they still want to be able to treat Americans like naughty children :)
     
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