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General John Kelly - Complete & Unabridged

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  1. searcher

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    Will Trump's new Chief of Staff be the next to leave? Stern General Kelly is 'fed-up with his hot-headed boss's tantrums and says he has never been spoken to so badly in his entire career'
    • General Kelly is reportedly shocked by Trump's angry outbursts and tantrums
    • The New York Times said Kelly complained at being spoken to badly by him
    • The four-star Marine general took over from Reince Priebus at the end of July
    • He introduced a strict new order at the White House which is being upheld
    • Kelly controls what media the president reads every morning and listens to some of his calls
    • Even Ivanka is now in the habit of checking in with him before speaking to her father about policy, White House aides say


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4846596/Will-Trump-s-new-Chief-Staff-leave.html#ixzz4rXHvVDc0
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    You don't usually find the two items in red in the same individual. My NYT and Daily Snail bullshit meter is pegging off the charts on this one!
     
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    Time will tell.
     
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    Agreed, so far I'm seeing the NYT, CBS and the DM running with this story. I've seen this sort of thing (media feeding frenzy's) before with 'muh Russians' go absolutely nowhere.
     
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    Don t buy it.
    Military ( especially when he came up )
    isn t for whimpy bobs.
    Nobody talked to Kelly rough when he was in boot camp ?
    Hes never chewed somebodys arse ?
    Yeah...right...
     
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    'We are all John Kelly': Twitter has a field day after White House Chief of Staff's body language betrays him during Trump's bombastic speech to the UN
    • People on Twitter took notice to how White House Chief of Staff reacted to President Trump's UN speech Tuesday
    • Trump called Kim Jong-un 'Rocket Man' and threatened to destroy the regime if threatened
    • Kelly was seen facepalming and leaking forward and looking into the distance like he was having an existential crisis


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4901618/Internet-goes-crazy-John-Kelly-Trump-speech.html#ixzz4tDxshqRa
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    Ha ha ha that's funny....who the hell made the DailyMail UK the experts in interpreting body language?...
    Feel free to add your own body language interpretation to the photo...
    Mine is , "Damn , I bet Melina is not wearing any panties! I'm getting another boner damnit "....

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    Seems everyone trump picks is part of the swamp
     
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    Kelly is bending over backwards to "control" Trump. No twitter, no access to Trump's friends. He has walled Trump off, so what does he expect when Trump get's a chance to make him (Kelly) look like a fool.
     
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    Propaganda!! At this point I believe nothing I see hear or read. I'll know where this goes soon enough. There will be big happenings at some point and I think it's going to be very soon! Something tells me Trump is refusing to tow the line. It could get interesting after all!!
     
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    Indeed, let the games begin, I have plenty of popcorn.
     
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    Stay positive my good man. We stand together!

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    Congressman Attacks "Disloyal" John Kelly For Quashing Possible Trump-Assange Deal

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    by Tyler Durden
    Sep 29, 2017 8:26 AM

    As we reported last week, California Rep. Dana Rohrabacher earlier this year tried to broker a deal between the Trump administration and Wikileaks founder Julian Assange whereby Assange would furnish purportedly conclusive evidence that Russia wasn’t responsible for the DNC leaks in exchange for a presidential pardon.

    Well, apparently Trump isn’t an avid reader of the Wall Street Journal (the newspaper that originally reported on the Rohrabacher-Assange deal), because when asked about it over the weekend, he responded that he’d “never heard” of the deal.

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    That’s not surprising. As WSJ initially reported, Rohrabacher was stymied by Chief of Staff John Kelly when he tried to take the deal to the president. Trump’s chief of staff, who’s efforts to impose “discipline” on the West Wing in part by limiting access to the president have been widely publicized, suggested that Rohrabacher first clear the deal with the intelligence agencies, which, of course, would be a non-starter.

    So, in what’s likely another attempt to circumvent Kelly’s influence via the media (after all, it’s not out of the question that Rohrabacher was behind the initial leaks to WSJ) Rohrabacher complained to the Daily Caller that certain disloyal aides are creating “a wall around” the president.

    “I think the president’s answer indicates that there is a wall around him that is being created by people who do not want to expose this fraud that there was collusion between our intelligence community and the leaders of the Democratic Party,” Rohrabacher told The Daily Caller Tuesday in a phone interview.

    ...

    “This would have to be a cooperative effort between his own staff and the leadership in the intelligence communities to try to prevent the president from making the decision as to whether or not he wants to take the steps necessary to expose this horrendous lie that was shoved down the American people’s throats so incredibly earlier this year,” Rohrabacher said.


    As WSJ reported, Rohrabacher met with Assange in August at the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where the WikiLeaks founder has lived in asylum since 2012 due to now-dropped sexual assault charges in Sweden. However, American authorities are reportedly still investigating Assange for his role in disseminating thousands of classified US documents. At the meeting, Assange purportedly promised to deliver information that proves Russia wasn’t behind the DNC leak.

    While Trump said early in the campaign that he believed Assange should get “the death penalty” for publishing US secrets and endangering intelligence assets, he has since softened his tone. Earlier this year, he praised Wikileaks for publicly denying that the Russian government was the source of the leaked DNC emails – provoking outrage among Democrats and some Republicans, who accused the president of siding with an enemy of the state over his own intelligence community.

    US intelligence agencies have claimed that Russian state actors were involved with the hacking and leaking of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails.

    Rohrabacher said that a pardon would likely have to occur for Assange to give up this information about the source of the DNC emails. Assange has long maintained that he would never reveal a source, but Rohrabacher said that Assange now “wants to get out of the Ecuadorian embassy.” Rohrabacher told The Daily Caller that he hasn’t seen the information that Assange says vindicates Russia, but vouched that the Wikileaks founder would provide the goods if the president is on board.” According to US laws, the president is able to preemptively pardon someone.

    To be sure, nobody has railed against the ongoing Russia investigation harder than Trump, who has vehemently denied accusations that his campaign colluded with Russia, while also pushing back against the notion that Russia actively tried to interfere in the US election.

    It’s not out of the question that Trump would consider such a deal if it were presented to him.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...hn-kelly-quashing-possible-trump-assange-deal
     
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    I thought Assange was dead! I still think he is and this is another distraction for the goy to feed on
     
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    White House Chief of Staff is 'livid' about Jared Kushner's backroom deals and is 'unsure of how to manage his role in Trump administration'
    • John Kelly, White House Chief of Staff, is trying to establish formal protocols in Donald Trump's White House
    • He is reportedly unsure of how to manage Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner
    • He was reportedly 'livid' after not being told of Kushner's backroom deals about The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
    • Kelly allegedly demanded a meeting with Trump to discuss the matter of Kushner's role in the White House, but the meeting did not end up taking place


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    What I find amazing is the communist media never tires of trying to drive a wedge between President Trump and any/everybody the communist media it's self fears most.
    It does make it easier to judge who in the Trump camp is shaking the trees the hardest. If the media praises someone you can damn well bet they are swamp.
    If the media constantly makes up bullshit stories, constantly makes grade school level attempts to pit one against another you can figure that person is doing a great job.

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    White House chief of staff John Kelly's personal cellphone was 'compromised' - possibly giving hackers or foreign governments access to his data
    • White House officials believe Chief of Staff John Kelly's personal cellphone was compromised
    • The compromised phone raises concerns that hackers or foreign governments may have had access to data on the phone
    • The suspected breach could have happened as long ago as December, according to Politico
    • It was discovered after Kelly turned his phone over to White House tech support this summer complaining that it was not working


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    Listening to Kelly's interview now. Will say I think he's probably an honest man who just did his best to defend a guy who believes all he has to do is utter something and it will be done. Maybe Trump is simply outta his league in DC?

    Don't think Kelly will be going anywhere soon.
     
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    We didn't hire Trump to be presidential. We hired him to clean up as much of the DC mess as possible using any method available at his disposal. I expected a shitshow and by golly I haven't been disappointed yet!
     
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    No matter what I think - no matter what anyone else thinks - Trump has to work with congress and the senate to accomplish anything. I'm thinking he doesn't realize this. Butting heads with people he didn't hire, can't fire and who have played in the game a lot longer than him isn't going to get him anywhere. Trying to work within the system might.

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    The system is corrupt. The system is flawed. Who would you like him to work with? McConnell, Ryan, Schumer, Pelosi? C'mon man. Those days are over. Trump needs enough backing behind closed doors to blow it up at some point. That's the real endgame here for Trump. Anything else is simply business as usual!

    Trump waited for Congress to do their job on healthcare and they did squat! Trump signed and EO today to remove the government mandate and allow folks to buy insurance across state lines. He don't need no stinkin Congress to get shiet done! They want to undermine him anyway. He waits long enough for them to embarrass themselves then he takes action. I love the guy!!
     
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    Exactly that! Propaganda.

    You can imagine the photographer snapping away at Gen Kelly until he got 'the shot' they showed and displayed it for all to gawk at as factual when in fact, it's faux news all over again.
     
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    Today's paper................

    Real patriots can't serve Trump
    Updated: October 23, 2017 — 10:37 AM EDT
    by E.J. Dionne


    The United States is in the middle of a very unfortunate experiment in how disoriented a great nation can become before it loses its moorings entirely.

    At times, politics seems fairly conventional with Republicans and Democrats arguing about health care and tax cuts, as they long have done. But former Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama reminded us last week that there is nothing normal about this moment. They issued searing, overlapping condemnations of Trumpism without naming President Trump. Former commanders in chief of opposing parties don’t do this sort of thing unless the country faces an emergency.

    Our disorientation is reflected further in the way honorable men and women allow themselves to be pushed into defending the indefensible and twisting noble concepts into cheap and ultimately shameful talking points. These are designed to get the president through one more news cycle or around some controversy that he could easily quell if he had any familiarity with the words “I’m sorry.”

    In the realm of political commentary, the now-daily detonations set off by a man who sees the “common good” as the pursuit of suckers drown out any serious discussion of the problems his voters thought he might try to solve.

    True, there is a separate difficulty created by his own party’s failure to move beyond the politics of the 1980s and that era’s popular belief that tax cuts and reductions in government social spending will overcome any challenge, anytime, anywhere. A decrepit ideology crowds out new approaches to new circumstances.

    For all the talk about Trump being something other than a Republican, he always falls back on the party’s old ideas because he has none of his own beyond promising to build a big wall, stop NFL players from kneeling during the national anthem, and fix bad trade deals while offering few details.

    But we can’t even have predictable if necessary partisan and ideological debates. These are blocked by self-involved spectacle and ruthless attacks against any who raise their voices to criticize the president.

    We can try to resist being drawn into this swamp of petty invective, knowing that we are being pulled away from the consequential questions. Yet doing so would mean overlooking the central fact of our political situation: that Trump is systematically sapping our democratic capacities through his routine behavior. As Bush put it, “We have seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. … Argument turns too easily into animosity. Disagreement escalates into dehumanization.”

    This is why all except the most blind Trump partisans had to be heartsick over the performance of White House chief of staff John Kelly last Thursday. The retired Marine Corps general, who has devoted his life to service and suffered stoically when he lost a son in combat, stepped out as a hatchet man against Rep. Frederica Wilson.

    It was Wilson, a Florida Democrat, who revealed that the president had told the mother of the late Sgt. La David T. Johnson that the slain soldier knew “what he signed up for.” Kelly could not back up Trump’s claim that Wilson had “totally fabricated” the president’s conversation. In fact, Kelly seemed indirectly to confirm her account. So he resorted to a vicious rebuke of the African-American congresswoman.

    Kelly didn’t even have the decency to use Wilson’s name, and he compared her to noisy “empty barrels.” It was hard to hear him and not think of Bush’s warnings about “dehumanization.” Kelly went on to put a misleading gloss on gracious, bipartisan comments Wilson had made at the dedication of a Florida FBI building.

    Thus is our world turned upside down: A genuine patriot is reduced to the role of propagandist for a boss whose idea of “sacrifice,” as Trump once explained on ABC News, was running a business from which he profited.

    We are numbed to the squalor that we see daily. It’s common to hear the president called a “disruptor.” But unlike tech-world heroes to whom the label is typically applied, he builds nothing, creates nothing, and only moves a majority of our fellow citizens toward either rage or a sense of helplessness.

    But helplessness is not an option, and rage alone will change nothing. By speaking up, Bush and Obama have sent a signal that we cannot sit by and allow our system of self government to disintegrate before our eyes. The burden is especially great on those who hoped that by serving this man, they could serve their country. Alas, John Kelly has shown us that this is simply not possible.

    E.J. Dionne is a Washington Post columnist. ejdionne@washpost.com @EJDionne

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    On the flip side................

    Trump and Kelly were doing the right thing with condolence calls | Commentary
    Updated: October 24, 2017 — 5:52 AM EDT
    by Christopher M. Lehman


    As a student at St. Luke’s Elementary School in Glenside, Montgomery County, in the 1950s, I learned a great deal from the nuns. I learned my 3 R’s — reading, writing, and arithmetic — and also a few things about life, including this bit of wisdom: empty barrels make the most noise.

    The words have come up repeatedly in the public dispute between White House Chief of Staff John Kelly and U.S. Rep. Frederica Wilson (D., Fla.), who is fast becoming the darling of the “mainstream media” for her slash-and-burn attacks on President Trump and what she describes as his “puppet” Kelly.

    That our news media are fanning the flames of this controversy when the facts are so clear and obvious is sad indeed. Trump made four telephone calls last week to the next of kin of four soldiers who gave their lives while serving their country. His intent was to convey his personal condolences to those families and the gratitude of a grateful nation. To have the president’s words distorted into a message of callousness and disregard is a disgrace (a word that Sister Claire Bernadette might have used). Wilson should be ashamed. Instead, in her own mind, she is “a rock star.”

    To believe that is one thing, but to say it out loud in a television interview is the very definition of an “empty barrel.” Kelly was being marvelously restrained in using that phrase — short for shameless self-promoter — to describe such an unfair, inaccurate, and inappropriate act by the congresswoman.

    Kelly’s description of the difficult task of conveying condolences to the family of a fallen hero was meaningful, and it meant so much more because he himself is among the ranks of the grieving. His son Robert was killed in 2010 in a roadside bomb blast in Afghanistan.

    Given those circumstances, it was a bitter pill indeed to hear the congresswoman’s distortion of the meaning and intent of the president’s call. Her ongoing display is worthy of condemnation by all sensible Americans, as is the media’s willing complicity in publicizing this rubbish.

    Rather than try to summarize Kelly’s moving and effective statement, I will offer the perspective of the mother of two U.S. Marines. One of her sons served with Robert Kelly and the other served under John Kelly in Iraq. She wrote in an email to a friend:

    “As far as I am concerned, the only proper reaction to John Kelly’s remarks is one of respect, appreciation, and admiration. He seldom speaks of Robert’s death. It is not in his nature to call attention to that. But I can understand his disgust and sadness over Congresswoman Wilson’s interpretation of the president’s call to the widow of the fallen soldier.

    “Those of us who have lived with the possibility of receiving that dreaded early-morning knock on the door from a chaplain and casualty officer understand perfectly the message that was conveyed. …

    “Our sons did not have to serve. They volunteered, and they knew well that they were signing up to be in harm’s way. And they are to be honored for that willingness to sacrifice themselves for a greater good.

    “Only a depraved mind, clouded by political hatred, would interpret the message any other way.”

    The president and Kelly were trying to do the right thing, and the congresswoman was and continues to be doing the wrong thing — score cheap political points. The voters in her district should be ashamed to have her as their representative. How dare she call out Kelly, who has served his nation so admirably and has sacrificed so much — and not having the facts quite right regarding Wilson’s exact words from years ago doesn’t change the basics.

    Our nation is rapidly approaching a tipping point. As Kelly said, nothing much is sacred anymore. He said:

    “You know, when I was a kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in our country. Women were sacred, looked upon with great honor. That’s obviously not the case anymore as we see from recent cases. Life — the dignity of life — is sacred. That’s gone. Religion, that seems to be gone as well…

    “But I just thought — the selfless devotion that brings a man or woman to die on the battlefield — I just thought that that might be sacred.”

    Sadly, that does not appear to be the case.

    Christopher M. Lehman served as a special assistant for national security affairs to President Ronald Reagan in 1983 when 220 Marines and 21 other U.S. service personnel were killed in a terrorist attack in Beirut, Lebanon, and witnessed first-hand the president offering heartfelt condolences to the families of fallen Marines. CLehman@CommonwealthConsulting.com

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    That right there is hilarious! Like bush and hussein are opposing parties, hell they are damn near the same person!

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    Guest Opinion: General Kelly has tarnished his stars
    • By RICHARD COHEN
    • 5 hrs ago

    Of all the repellent statements issued by Donald Trump or his aides, the one that came out of the mouth of Sarah Huckabee Sanders last week was maybe the most chilling. There she stood, a dead ringer for Aunt Lydia, the severe overseer in "The Handmaid's Tale," asking a White House reporter who the hell he thought he was to question the veracity of John Kelly, Trump's chief of staff, who had just smeared a Florida congresswoman. "If you want to go after General Kelly, that's up to you," she cautioned. "If you want to get into a debate with a four-star Marine general, I think that that's something highly inappropriate."

    Well, sorry to pull rank, but I would not hesitate to criticize Kelly. In the first place, Kelly was dead wrong to say that Rep. Frederica Wilson made the noise of "empty barrels" when she helped memorialize the death of two FBI agents in a Florida speech. Wilson had not used the occasion to beat her own drum, as Kelly alleged, but instead insisted on proper respect for the slain agents and for the FBI in general.

    Had Trump gotten things so bolloxed up it would have been par for the course. After all, he gets almost nothing right. But Kelly is one of the so-called adults, brought in to bring some order to the White House Romper Room. He's the details guy, the one who has taken charge of the paper flow, who would have -- had Trump been about to deliver such a speech -- checked YouTube to see if Wilson had actually grandstanded in her Florida remarks. This was his task. Yet, he failed miserably.

    Did Kelly lie or did he misremember? I prefer the second choice, but either way, the stars he once wore on his shoulder do not immunize him. The rank I referred to above -- mere citizen -- is the one you and I hold. It is the one George Washington chose when he resigned his commission before becoming president of the United States. It is way higher than general.

    Samuel Johnson was wrong when he said that "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." With Sanders, it is the first. Hers was a blatant attempt to throw the flag over the false and vituperative statements of the White House chief of staff. But as Abraham Lincoln learned during the Civil War and John Kennedy during the Cuban missile crisis, some military officers have the common sense of a 6-month-old Lab. They'll run after anything.

    But there is something else at work here: the slavish veneration now accorded the military. You can see it evidenced every time someone in uniform testifies before Congress. "Thank you for your service," comes the chorus of those who treat four-stars as if they were physicians who risk their lives to work with Ebola sufferers. A four-star makes at least $190,000 and gets oodles of benefits, including the very socialized medicine his likely fans vehemently denounce. It's not a bad life, and it is an even better retirement.

    Military men and women have become exotics -- less than 1 percent of Americans are currently serving. But maybe more to the point, only 18 percent of Congress has ever served. Back in 1971, the figure was 72 percent of the House and 78 percent of the Senate. Those members knew from experience that a star can be just a piece of metal. It is certainly not a halo.

    As both a one-time soldier and a longtime journalist, I have met my share of military men. Some awe me -- their intellect, their values, their commitment, their patriotism and, of course, their physical courage. Some have appalled me -- remember Mike Flynn, Trump's original national security adviser and a three-star? He had to resign after lying to Vice President Mike Pence. And some, like Gen. Curtis LeMay during the Cuban missile crisis, still scare me. (He advocated bombing Cuba.)

    Sanders was relying on the current veneration of the military to deflect criticism of Kelly. It was tawdry of her to do so, if only because it was Kelly and no one else who managed to call into question his vaunted competence. He brought dishonor to his office -- the presidency is now too tarnished to dishonor -- and signaled he is a better heel-clicker than he is a proud soldier. He should resign -- and so, for good measure, should Sarah Huckabee Sanders. She knows how to be a press secretary, but not an American.

    Richard Cohen's email address is cohenr@washpost.com.

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    John Kelly, Robert E. Lee, and the incredibly dangerous fallacy of 'trusting the generals'
    Updated: October 31, 2017 — 12:05 PM EDT

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    Will Bunch


    Give John Kelly credit for this: The man knows how to change the subject! On Monday night, the former Marine general who now serves as President Trump’s chief of staff went on official state media the Fox News Channel on the most fraught day of his boss’ high-wire presidency, with news of criminal changes against three former Trump campaign aides and new evidence that Team Trump may have colluded with Russia in a scheme to illegally influence the 2016 election. But by the time Kelly was done exchanging words with the ever-delightful Laura Ingraham, the top White House aide had most of Twitter consulting Civil War history books instead of debating the nuances of the Trump-Russia scandal.

    With the fate of monuments and statues honoring the leaders of the Confederate uprising in the news — indeed, according to Trump himself, a cornerstone of Republicans’ efforts to retake the governor’s mansion in Virginia next week — Kelly launched one of the most misguided assaults of his long and formerly praiseworthy public career, mangling the vital American history of slavery and the 1861-65 War Between the States in the process.

    “I would tell you that Robert E. Lee was an honorable man,” Kelly told Ingraham. “He was a man that gave up his country to fight for his state, which 150 years ago was more important than country. It was always loyalty to state first back in those days. Now it’s different today. But the lack of an ability to compromise led to the Civil War, and men and women of good faith on both sides made their stand where their conscience had them make their stand.”

    No.

    There’s two very important things to unpack here. The first is that this wrong-headed, fundamentally dishonest and arguably dangerous version of American history — coming from the top aide to the 45th president of the United States — cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged.

    The Civil War was not the result of “a lack of an ability to compromise,” but because 11 American states were determined to fight — to the death, if necessary — to defend a way of life in which an oligarchy of plantation owners became wealthy by enslaving human beings, based upon the color of the skin. This was confirmed in the infamous “Cornerstone Speech” delivered in March 1861 on the eve of the Civil War by the vice president of the Confederacy, Alexander Stephens, who declared, clear as a bell:


    Our new government is founded upon exactly [this] idea; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.


    The newish United States of America had — contrary to Kelly’s misinterpretation — already compromised again and again and again with this vile and most immoral non-truth of racism and human enslavement, in the 3/5ths clause of the Constitution, in the Missouri Compromise and the Compromise of 1850 and in similar deals until the point when — after the nation elected a not especially radical opponent of slavery named Abraham Lincoln as president — Southerners finally decided to quit the Union and point their cannons north. There was no compromise left — and frankly there never should have been a compromise with slavery in the first place.

    Robert E. Lee commanded an army that slaughtered tens of thousands of our ancestors up here in the North to defend the Confederacy’s cornerstone of white supremacy. That alone would make Lee not an honorable man — even if his troops hadn’t captured free blacks as far north as Pennsylvania and shipped them back into servitude, if Lee hadn’t routinely ruptured the families of the slaves that he personally owned, and even if he hadn’t ordered (and perhaps taken part in) the brutal, violent whipping of two of his slaves who escaped.

    When Kelly and his boss Trump talk about the bogus “honor” of Robert E. Lee, when they claim that monuments to Lee and other Confederate heroes (a.k.a. insurgents who fought and slaughtered American citizens) are a vital part of our “heritage” and float the idea that a decent civilization could have somehow kept compromising with slave masters, they are endorsing an America ruled by white supremacy. Not the kind that wears a hood and burns crosses in the front yard, perhaps, but the kind that’s more pervasive, more insidious, and has held sway throughout American history. Kelly’s comments on Laura Ingraham’s show weren’t a “dog whistle” to Trump’s rabid supporters, but more like a loud, annoying Amber Alert of white nationalism buzzing in America’s pants.

    Whatever good deeds Kelly may have done during his Marine career, he has not been the “force for stability” or “the adult in the room” or “the good guy” in the Trump White House. He is not a good guy, period, but a pit-bull defender and simpatico ally of the most dangerous president in U.S. history. During his short stint as secretary of Homeland Security, Kelly was a serial human-rights violator who “unleashed” the agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, and Border Patrol into national goon squads that bust into schools and courtrooms seeking the undocumented and most recently “cracked down” on a 10-year-old girl with cerebral palsy as she was rushed into surgery. Promoted to the critical job of Trump’s top deputy and gatekeeper, Kelly joined with his boss in lying about and slandering a black congresswoman who dared to criticize the president and question his version of events — part of a deeply troubling pattern in the Trump White House of publicly bullying critics who are not white and not male.

    But there’s a second thing that’s even more deeply troubling in Kelly’s latest remarks. The retired general is saying, essentially, that you should respect Robert E. Lee — despite the awfulness of the actual cause Lee was fighting for — because you should respect the uniform, and the military ideal of unquestioning valor for “his state” that Lee represented. It’s no coincidence that the White House also claimed that it’s not appropriate to question Kelly because of his military background, when press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said “if you want to get into a debate with a four-star Marine general, I think that that’s something highly inappropriate.”

    That’s authoritarianism, and it’s increasingly the Trump Way of running this country, whether it’s encouraging cops to rough up criminal suspects, or “unleashing” ICE and its questionable tactics, or bullying and attacking a free press. Trump — who’s made no secret of his desire to host a military parade of the type that once feted Soviet dictators in Red Square — had steadily amped his trust and willingness to hand control to a cadre of military and ex-military men that includes Kelly, Defense Secretary James Mattis and his national security adviser, Gen. H.R. McMaster. Trusting the generals — even when they spread falsehoods — is becoming the guiding principle of our current government.

    And that comes as we’re entering a dangerous time for the future — indeed, the fate — of this country. Monday’s indictment of three Trump election aides, including one-time campaign manager Paul Manafort, with a guilty plea from a lower-level staffer who lied about an apparent collusion scheme with Russia, has enraged the president who — with his top aides — is deflecting with half truths and lies about Hillary Clinton, Russia and uranium. There remains the possibility that Trump will try to fire special counsel Robert Mueller or pardon his inner circle as he successfully did with his ally Joe Arpaio — which would trigger the biggest constitutional crisis since, well, 1861.

    The values that Kelly tried to sell Monday night when he touted the virtues of Lee and the Lost Cause — blind respect for the military, unquestioning acceptance of authority, compromising moral principle to continue a world based on white supremacy — are the exact same values that the White House is going to rally to keep Trump’s regime in power during the rocky weeks ahead. America can only survive if we continue to question blind authority and those parts of our “heritage” that aren’t worth preserving. That’s why we can’t allow John Kelly to run roughshod over the truth — especially when he’s riding Robert E. Lee’s horse.

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