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GOLD’S DAYS OF GLORY BEGINNING AS DOLLAR’S ARE ENDING

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  1. Scorpio

    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    GOLD’S DAYS OF GLORY BEGINNING AS DOLLAR’S ARE ENDING
    Posted on May 26, 2017

    by Egon von Greyerz

    Since the 2011 tops, precious metals investors have had their patience severely tested. Six years later, silver is down 66% from the $50 peak and gold 35% off the $1,920 peak. We mustn’t forget off course that these metals started this century at $280 and $5 respectively. But that is no consolation for the investors who got in near the highs. The best time to buy an asset is when it is unloved and undervalued like gold and silver were in the early 2000s. What few investors realise is that the current levels of gold and silver, when real inflation is taken into account, are very similar to where the metals were in 2000-2. Thus gold at $1,265 and silver at $17 is an absolute bargain and unlikely to remain at these levels for long.

    Why are asset markets booming and gold static?
    As the precious metals have corrected for six years, many markets have boomed. Money printing and credit creation can do wonders to asset markets. Since 2009, stocks in the US for example have trebled and many other asset classes such as property have appreciated substantially. Global debt since 2006 is up by 75% or $100 trillion and short term and long term rates in the Western world re down from 5-6% to anywhere from negative to around 2%. This has fuelled stocks and property but so far had limited effect on gold and silver.


    It was the sub-prime mortgage market that started the 2006-9 crisis. Since then, there are property bubbles in many parts of the world. Canada, Australia, UK, Scandinavia, Hong Kong and China all have property markets which are likely to crash in the next few years together with the US one which is still a bubble.

    With most asset markets surging since 2009 why haven’t gold and silver. To answer that question, we need to take a slightly longer perspective. Since the beginning of this century, gold has outperformed most asset classes. The Dow for example is down 61% against gold since the beginning of 2000. Thus, gold has been an outstanding investment as well as being the ultimate wealth preservation asset in the 2000s.

    Bitcoin can continue up in a speculative frenzy
    But since 2009, gold has not reflected the massive money printing and credit creation that has taken place. Many investors are comparing gold to Bitcoin. Bitcoin was $3 in 2011 and now $2,700 – a truly remarkable rise. I have previously noted that Bitcoin could be an excellent investment and that is proving to be the case. But Bitcoin has nothing to do with wealth preservation. Just like with paper money, there is no tangible asset backing it. Also, cryptocurrencies are totally dependent on an electronic world and the internet. So whilst Bitcoin could continue to go up in a speculative frenzy, it will never replace the only money which has survived for 5,000 years. Bitcoin is only one of many cryptocurrencies. New ones are being launched continuously and thus created in a similar fashion to how paper money is printed, thus without an underlying service or exchange of goods. The one major advantage that Bitcoin has and which makes it so popular is that is not controlled by governments and can therefore not be manipulated by them. If cryptocurrencies become too successful that could of course change.

    Governments are controlling the rise of gold
    So currently Bitcoin is an investment which is not influenced by governments or manipulation. Investors love that they can buy something that is not interfered with by the powers that be. Sadly, the same cannot be said about gold and silver. Governments and central bankers have quietly admitted that they don’t like gold going up too fast and will therefore manage the rise. The reason governments dislike gold, is that it reflects their mismanagement of the economy. But as investors in physical gold know, the gold price is not going up but the value of fiat money declines continuously as governments issue more and more of it. Since 1913 when the Fed was created, all major currencies have declined 97-99% versus gold. The same has happened many times in history like when the Roman Empire collapsed. The silver content of the Denarius coin declined from 100% to 0% between 180-280 AD.

    Gold paper trading volumes are astounding
    Governments and central banks currently have a very effective way of manipulating the gold price and this is the main reason why gold so far has not risen like Bitcoin. But in due course this will all change. If we look at the gold paper market, the amount of paper trading is astounding. In 2016, $10 trillion of paper gold was traded in four exchanges with Comex in New York accounting for 76% or of that. $10 trillion is more than all the gold ever produced in history which is $7 trillion. But the paper gold traded on the futures exchanges is totally dwarfed by the amount traded by the LBMA banks in London. In 2016, the total estimated gold traded in London is estimated at $64T. Of that less than 1% is physical. Adding the LBMA and Futures Exchanges gold trading we get to an astounding $74T annually. Thus, the world trades more paper gold than goods and services since global GDP is $70T. And the gold traded in 2016 is over 600x the gold mined every year. Even more incredible is that the paper gold traded was 10x all the gold ever produced in history.



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    With such vast amounts of paper gold traded, it is clear that the gold market today has very little to do with physical gold. The annual increase of physical gold in the world in 2016 was 3,000 tonnes or $120B. That is only 0.16% of all the gold traded in 2016. Thus, the gold price bears very little relation to the physical market since the gold price is settled by a paper market which is 600x annual gold mine production. As long as this false paper market in gold exists, it is of course easy to manipulate the price of physical gold with a 600 to 1 leverage in relation to annual production.

    US government suppress gold to hide world’s biggest Ponzi scheme
    Without the blatant manipulation of gold, the gold price would be many times the current price of $1,265. Global credit is growing at an exponential rate without any sign of abatement. Since 2006, the six largest central banks have printed another $13 trillion. During the same period, world debt has increased by 70% or $100 trillion. Governments are suppressing the gold price to conceal their fraudulent mismanagement of the economy. Chronic deficits like the US has been running for over 55 years combined with money printing to cover the debt, is totally scandalous and the most flagrant Ponzi scheme ever created in history. With record borrowings, interest rates would in a free market be at least 10-15%. Instead short term rates are at levels at which savers get a negligible return. Thus, the effect of governments’ disastrous policies is to rob normal people of a decent return on their money. Instead, banks and the wealthy can borrow money at virtually no cost and leverage it many times for substantial returns in inflated asset markets.

    Current gold price bears no relation to real value of gold
    Investors who hold physical gold understand the importance of wealth preservation. Although most of us know that the current gold and silver price has nothing to do with the real price of these metal. Because the real price is what we will see in coming years as the manipulation in the paper market fails and the holders of paper gold demand delivery. This is when all hell will break lose in the gold and silver markets and the price will go to no offer which means there will be no gold or silver offered at any price. For the people who understand that the debt and asset bubbles have got very little time left before they implode, physical gold and some silver is the ultimate insurance as long as it is not held within the financial system. For the few who hold physical gold and silver, patience is not the ability to wait for the collapse to happen but the reassurance that when it does you are fully protected.

    Dollar turning down – an ominous sign
    There are a few different signals I look at to time the turn of markets and when trouble will start in earnest. In my view, the US dollar is a leading indicator. The dollar, which is a bankrupt currency, will tell us when markets and the economy will turn. For years, all the “experts” have talked the Euro down and expected the dollar strength to continue. The Euro is of course a rubbish currency which is totally artificial and shouldn’t exists. On top of that the political and economic situation in Euroland is dire to say the least. But currencies are a relative game and the US has economic problems which are even greater than in Europe. The US is also the most debt laden country in the world. The dollar should have crashed long ago but the competition is so poor with badly managed economies around the globe so the dollar has held up due to its reserve currency status. But the dollar’s glory days are now coming to an end. It seems the dollar peaked back in December 2016 and that it is soon starting its journey down to the intrinsic value of zero.



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    Often when markets turn there is a catalyst. The interesting observation is that currency markets are much more intelligent than stock, bond or metals markets. The main reason is that currency markets because of their size are very difficult to manipulate except when all central banks coordinate intervention. But today there is very little willingness from China or Russia for example to cooperate with the US. And even the US wants a weaker dollar. Trump’s election was taken badly by currency markets since the dollar turned down soon after his victory whilst stocks continued to boom.

    Another catalyst from the US is the political situation. There is now daily sensational news coming from Washington. Certain circles seem determined to get rid of Trump. He might even get so fed up that he resigns himself. The likelihood that he stays the four years is decreasing by the day.

    Gold / Silver ratio – Major fall imminent
    The other indicator that I watch carefully is the gold silver ratio. This ratio turned down in February 2016 from above the 80 level. This is the third time in the last 14 years that we see a turn at that level. After a peak in the ratio in 2008, the real collapse came in 2010-11 when the ratio crashed over a nine month period and silver surged from $17 to $50. The corrective pattern currently looks very similar to 2010 before the big fall in the ratio. When the gold / silver ratio turns down and falls strongly, this is a sign of very strong precious metals and a weak dollar. This is exactly what happened in 2010-11 as the ratio was collapsing.



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    Major turns in markets later in 2017
    So it is likely that we will see major turns in all markets either before the summer ends or possibly we get final moves ending in the early autumn. In either case, we will soon see in 2017 the beginning of collapsing stock markets around the world together with a strongly falling dollar. Bond markets will also come down in spite of central bank attempts to keep interest rates low.

    The main beneficiaries of the coming crisis will be of course be physical gold and silver. Central banks will lose their ability to manipulate these markets and we will realise what the real price of gold and silver is. It is likely to be multiples of the current price. There is still time to protect assets against the coming shocks but that time is very, very short.

    Egon von Greyerz
    Founder and Managing Partner
    Matterhorn Asset Management AG
    goldswitzerland.com

    https://goldswitzerland.com/golds-days-of-glory-beginning-as-dollars-are-ending/
     
  2. solarion

    solarion Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Wow, paper metals are being royally monkey hammered today. Gold is down 1.5% and silver is down 3%. Presumably the excuse is the strong dollar since it's up all of .4% today even though it's down over 6% vs other fiat in the past couple months. These markets are a complete and in your face sham at this point, but the upside is that you can stack real metal at these fake prices.

    ...and once again bitcoin doesn't give a rip what the dollar is doing...it's up almost 5% against fake bankster money today. Time to buy some silver with bitcoin...
     
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    I cannot believe how gold and silver are getting decimated today. Looks like a bottom right here. Could be TPTB knocking out the longs and stealing their gold.
     
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    platinumdude Gold Chaser Platinum Bling

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    Gold is recovering, It's up $1.20 from it's low. And silver is up 13 cents from it's low.
     
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    How? US markets are closed...
     
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    solarion Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    lol Closed for whom? You mean closed for the little people?

    The stock market has both pre-market and after hours trading for those that are "more equal" than others. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if banksters can trade pretty much whenever they wish.

    To say nothing of the fact that these bankster corporations do business globally. They could easily just arrange to trade in London or Asia.
     
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    Cigarlover Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    How will central banks lose their ability to manipulate these markets? Silver is a billion oz a year market so only 16 billion in dollar terms. And that's if you were dealing with a purely physical market for cash. With the futures market you can buy contracts for 5000 oz and the cost is less than a 10th of the actual price. Something like that really so in essence the entire silver market can be controlled for less than 2 billion dollars.

    At this point in time it will take something huge to get the metals to move again. Looks like Trump is fixing the economy or at least thats the perception.

    Then we have the fact that from 08-2016 the national debt went from 10 trillion to almost 20 trillion. Metals have done nothing.

    I'll use the summer duldrums to add a little metal but wont be getting excited about the next crisis that is always 6 months out.
     
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    solarion Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    The game will end when people stop pretending paper is money. That includes the bs stock market, the nonsensical ETFs, options, futures, etc. The price of a commodity should be determined by people trading in said commodity, not by a bunch of banksters manipulating prices with their naked short paper scams.
     
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    From the early days of GIM the central mantra, IMHO, was if you don't hold it, you don't own it.

    Totally bad advice. Just send your worthless gold and silver to me at...

    Grin. Isn't this manifestation just amazing in it's scope...
     
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    That loss of control will come as the dollar collapses. Banks and the markets have coagulated. Seen the velocity of money lately? Retail apocalypse? Carmegeddon? Housing market? Commercial real estate? The fed's "assets" are all those real estate tranches they "bought" up in the Great Bankster Bailout of 2008 which still remain the basis of so many derivatives. As you pointed out metals are doing next to nothing...yet more market coagulation by reason of pervasive market coagulation and manipulation. An economy that doesn't move, dies. The fed is nearly out of ammo and so will lose their ability to manipulate markets. The fear is thick already and getting thicker as insiders are already cashing out. You hear the chorus singing off the same page of crash and collapse, well, except for Krugman and the media whore chorale who know nothing but lies and always sing off key.

    When metals do go it will be the BIG launch to the moon...buy your tickets now!
     
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    I like my Sovereigns below $300, $250-$275 is even better.

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    the_shootist The war is here on our doorstep! Midas Member Site Supporter ++

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    I'm not seeing a whole shit ton of glory in gold these days
     
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    the_shootist The war is here on our doorstep! Midas Member Site Supporter ++

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    Quite right sir, quite right
     
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    There will be a day that people will point to that will define the dollar's crash
     
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    Not as much fun when they cost too much.

    scroogemcduck.jpg
     
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    They will just pretend digits are money.............
    Big Brother will track and know EVERYTHING you do. Helping themselves to a % of everything, from your garage sale to selling your old golf clubs or lawn mower on craigslist
    to the motel room for your secretary who just arrived by uber and she paid with more digits............ SS won't go broke..... it's just digits....... The entire system is based on a lie so debt
    is based on a lie, digits are a transition from paper. Paper is / was a transition from metal. That gets them through the upcoming baby boomer pension crises for the next 15 years & everyone
    younger than that have "self directed pension plans". Stop fussing everything's gunna be just fine...... so long as your into digits. Because they can control digits so much better and easier
    than paper........ including bitcoin style currency......... it moves so they will be able to track it. On top of that they can do the math really easy. You pay taxes on $20K a year but you spent $63K.......
    where did the extra 43K come from? Savings at zero %? Then it will get better how did you sell that Honda 4 wheeler as WE HAVE NO TRANSACTION DATA of you ever buying one?
    Oh you traded for it? What for what? Your paying more tax.......................
     
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    Are you certain?
    Why not a slow controlled descent?
     
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    And then the first storm that knocks out power renders the digits useless. Or the hackers come out in mass and start stealing everything.
    The gov cant even build a website that works for 300 million dollars just for insurance. I doubt they could even come close to getting something like this right.
    With all of the trillions spent to fight terror and supposedly track everything they cant even find 33,000 emails from Clintons server. Better yet, for all those years she had the server no one knew? She was the freakin sec of state? Best case scenario is we are 50 years away from going cashless.
    Dont forget, The US isnt the rest of the world and most of the world doesnt have a computer or cell phone. Some places dont even have electricity.
     
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    Because in anything that's goin' South, there's always a point of no return. A tipping point, a watershed moment, a collective critical mass of realization amongst society that the point has come and gone.
     
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    What makes you think they would want to make it right???

    For that matter, what makes you think that the website didn't perform as planned???
     
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    It did the guy got paid extra to fix the mess! Then they had to bring in others when he could not get it to work costing taxpayers more $ but no refunds for failing at your task.
    Related to mike obama the first sleeveless fullback transhuman whatever.........
     
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    Gold getting hammered today, good weekend to snag a coin or two folks! . . :2 thumbs up:

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    GSR about 78-1 and illiinois has 200 billion in pension liabilities.

    I'm buying,
     
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    $1200+ gold today is very similar to $600 gold about 11 years ago..........I remember buying my first Double Eagle at the top or $720 before it slid all the way back to the $590's.........it's amusing to see things in retrospect & remember it like yesterday.
     
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    Last post? Doesn't look like Solarian has posted since this.
     
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    " The US is also the most debt laden country in the world"
    Maybe, but Japan has a much much bigger debt to GDP ratio--yet, no Yen collapse ..
     
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    That happens. Sometimes people just bow out and disappear. Sometimes forever and sometimes they come back.
     
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    Maybe he had a boating accident.
     
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    Sorry, youz guys are stuck with me. lol
    All the freaking time...you'd think I'd learn.
     
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    Joe said you had traded all your Au for bitcoins.
     
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    solarion Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    I've never traded in that direction. Cryptos routinely get turned into PMs(...and then tragically get lost in boating mishaps), but never the opposite.
     
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    I never posted any such thing. Goldie is full of it.
    ...but sour grapes can do that to a person.
     
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    It's called a joke. Relax.
     
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    Here lately I seem to be on your mind a lot, and while I do find it amusing, your jokes about btc being fiat were waaay funnier. lol
     
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    Perhaps you have a not so secret admirer Joe. lol
    If the comment in question was intended to amuse it missed the target...perhaps it was too subtle for me.

    ...and getting back to my comment of 3 July, Bitcoin has now tripled vs fiat since that day(2500 - 7500) while PMs have done nothing. People thought it a temporary aberration when BTC reached parity with gold, but now 1 BTC = 5.9 Ozt of gold and an insane 446 Ozt of silver. How long before a monster box of SAEs can be had for a single Bitcoin? That PMs are artificially suppressed should be obvious to anyone that cares to have a look, but how long it can last is anyone's guess.
     
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    It can last as long as gov't has gold/silver supplies to supply the demand in the small/tiny real PM market.
     
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    I tend to agree, though I've no idea how long that is. The mint has halted sales of silver eagles over long stretches due to lack of supply. Germany is told to pound sand for requesting THEIR gold be returned...then they're told it'll take years to move the metal...since apparently neither aircraft or ships are available to the US gumbymint when such requests are made. Still think PM investors can have a huge influence if they'd stick to physical metals and stop with the silly ETFs and other assorted paper crap.

    Certainly as the US debt dollar scam becomes increasingly obvious to even the most apathetic of sheeple, people will continue to seek ways to preserve wealth beyond the reach of goobermint goons. Sure the millennials will opt for cryptos, but it seems likely significant numbers of boomers, X, and Y gen folks will look to PMs....particularly if Bitcoin looks hideously expensive by comparison...like it does just now.
     
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    goldielox1 Silver Miner Seeker

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    Actaully supposedly they got it all back...if you believe that dog and pony show of one rothschild bank confirming receipt from another rothschild bank with no evidence.
     
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    goldielox1 Silver Miner Seeker

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    Sadly for those putting their trust in fiat cryptos like btc, that one was not a joke.
     
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    Sure, but that seems irrelevant to me. I mean it was "only" a couple hundred tons of the stuff as I recall and the US supposedly has the largest horde of the stuff in the history of the world languishing down there under an army base. Makes one wonder why the whole thing had to be turned into such a soap opera to begin with ...unless <gasp> somebody somewhere is being somewhat less than honest about what's going on behind the scenes. Fortunately fort knox is audited routinely as prescribed by law, so that can't be it. ...oh wait.

    Yeah those silly crypto "fiat" investors have really suffered. lol Any day now Bitcoin holders will lose big when the so called bubble finally pops. Why some of them could stand to lose huge chunks of the thousands of percentage point gains they've seen over the past decade. <yawn>

    Until somebody is forced at gunpoint by gumbymint goons to use bitcoin...it simply is not fiat.
     
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