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'Gun Free' Zone Tennessee Business Liable for Disarming Concealed Carry Holders

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  1. TRYNEIN

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    'Gun Free' Zone Tennessee Business Liable for Disarming Concealed Carry Holders




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    Fox News Nation 'Gun Free' Zone Tennessee Business Liable For Disarming Concealed Carry Holders refers you to the story below.

    • Tennessee law now dictates that businesses wishing to create a "gun-free zone" will be held liable for the safety of concealed carry permit holders.
      The new law, SB 1736, dictates that should any concealed carry permit holder's safety be threatened after disarming themselves to enter their place of business, then the business will be held liable.
      The business will also be held liable if the permit holder incurs injury while "retreating from the business to a vehicle–during an emergency–to retrieve the gun the business owner barred," according to Breitbart.

      Below is a a summary of SB 1736:

      • Present law authorizes persons in control of property to post a notice that prohibits firearms on the premises.
        This bill imposes a duty of care on any person who posts their property to prohibit firearms
        whereby such person will be responsible for the safety of any handgun carry permit holder while the permit holder is on the posted premises
        and traversing any area to and from the premises and the location where the permit holder’s firearm is stored.
        The duty of care created by this bill will extend to the conduct of other invitees, trespassers, employees of the person or entity, vicious animals, wild animals, and defensible man-made and natural hazards.


      The bill passed the state Senate 26 to 4 earlier in March and passed the House by a vote of 77 to 13 in April. The law went into effect on July 1.

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/gun...ness-liable-disarming-concealed-carry-holders
     
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    If one believes that a business person has the right to run his business how he chooses, then this is a shot at that.

    The business would get his just dues by the customers he is turning away.
     
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    I wonder if this applies equally to gov't offices.
     
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    All this says is if you mandate your business as a gun free zone you are NOT immune to any consequences that requirement may cause. You're responsible for the safety of your customers while they are on your premises. I don't see this as an assault on how people run their business at all.
     
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    I do because it is assessing liability on to the business owner and not the perpetrator
     
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    Unless a number of patrons are coming in with open sidearms or an AR15 hanging from their shoulder and are scaring away other customers why is this even necessary? Most people carry concealed as they are smart enough to not advertise themselves as a target in a potential violent situation. More often than not these issues are over dramatized for political purposes.
     
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    Agreed! No law is necessary, because I would simply take my money elsewhere.
     
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    Like the time I approached the local IRS office and the armed, private security guard would not let me in until he had checked me for weapons?

    He only looked in my bag, but waved the others by without even pretending to look through their stuff.

    And for every subsequent person entering, I yelled over to him, "Aren't you going to check for weapons?"
     
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    It is quite simple, if you disagree with a business that prohibits or provides something that you disagree with,
    Then DO NOT PATRONIZE THAT BUSINESS !!
    We do not need government micro managing our lives !
     
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    Auru and Taezz spell it out for everyone,

    Then too, if a person truly believes in freedom, then we must stand for it. Even when on the surface something appears aok, as I did at first glance, my right to keep and bear arms, yet in full context, then I am infringing on that business owner.

    As stated by others, vote with your feet and the business has to accept the consequences accordingly.

    This is no different than .gov telling a bakery they have to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, etc.

    These are decisions the market is very capable of making without .gov intervention, and no ones feelings getting hurt.
     
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    Problem Scorp is lawyers and insurers telling businesses "Hey you better adopt a gun-free policy or we won't insure you/or you might get sued for "promoting" a dangerous environment as that's how some would view "allowing" firearms. This gives the business owners a way to fight back. Hey it's state law...I pretty much have to allow it. No more insurance/lawyer problems. This is a good thing. To compare it to the gay wedding cake is ludicrous in my opinion. If a business owner truly is anti-gun and somehow thinks he'll be safer with that policy, then have at it---but he'd better be willing to ensure his customers safety.
     
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    True in many cases, but what about monopolies like Walmart?
     
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    Exactly! Freedom IS for EVERYBODY!!! If a business owner wants to fearful, stupid or whatever, that IS the business owner's choice. If I want to withhold my dollars from that shopping with that business man, that is MY choice. No harm. No foul. That business man may eventually go out of business. Then again, he may prosper wildly. Don't know. Can't know. Don't really care. I will shop where I am accepted and comfortable. In total, all these actions are choices made by FREE people. No government needed or required.

    People will, given enough time, will generally figure out what works well and what doesn't. Government merely screws up this process.
     
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    Good example of the reality of lawyers and insurance setting policy.
     
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    GUN FREE ZONES ARE END RUN FOR MOREGUN CONTROL
     
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    The only thing I ever bought at Walmart were crates of ammo between 2008 and 2014.
     
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    I have been to such a place, and it was truly wonderful.

    It was called The BIG Reno Gun Show.

    An armed society is a polite society.

    Which reminds me:

    This morning after driving my wife to work, some dipshit on the same roadway attempted to threaten me with a baseball bat because I was apparently driving too cautiously.

    I just smiled at him, because be had no clue...
     
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    I see, so as long as people accept your versions of freedom, then all is aok,

    but you are perfectly willing to infringe on another and then come back and claim that is liberty?

    as Founding Fathers said one time back in the day,

    Freedom can be real ugly at times
     
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    But over time, that tree of liberty provides a great big canopy of safety.
     
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    You sold me Scorp, I simply won't patronize places that won't allow me to defend myself on their property. After reading through this thread that makes the most sense.
     
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    Gun free zones are a violation of the Constitution end of story, whats to stop cities from making your home a gun free zone, where does it end? To see otherwise is to deny the 2nd amendment
     
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    Good for you. Remember that Walmart has created a monopoly in many small towns that formerly had several small independent stores that were put out of business by Chinese goods that were brought in by globalists after being financed by bankers. They should not be "free" to disarm the populace without taking responsibility for their safety. JMO.
     
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    As I would challenge the business owner incited and enabled the perpetrator by promoting a Gun Free Zone. As a promoter he must protect those that abided by HIS rule for HIS Establishment. He also needs to take into account the possibility a bad guy / outlaw may decide to prey on HIS establishment and HIS customers HE required to disarm.

    EXACTLY - LIBERTY and FREEDOM is NOT FREE. As you can see in this day and time one has to fight to keep what little of both we still have.
     
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    let's try not to assign more to it than it is,

    the proposed law is a transference of liability to a business owner of something that is totally out of his control

    the rest is just emotional strawman arguments
     
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    And that my friend is why any business worth its salt carries Liability Insurance and MORE than the minimum required by state laws.
     
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    which is why freedom is lost and nothing ever gets done,
     
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    unless a lawyer is involved
     
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    Where I live in the boonies we have no gun free zones, we have no gun license requirements either. There are still parts of the country that are free
     
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    You are a Lucky Man sir.
     
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    I spent the first 50 years of my life in Massachusetts so I can certainly appreciate that sir
     
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    It's within the business owner's control to allow or not allow people the means to defend themselves on their property. Should it be within the business owner's control to deny or not deny a Constitutional right on their property?
     
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    I wish I had that choice with government buildings....
     
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    If I tell you not to bring in your weapon if you want to trade fine.

    NOW if the gumbyment tells me if'n you get shot because you wanted to trade but din't have your weapon that I cannot mitigate it out then I now ponder why oh why did the non colored drinking fountains go away?

    NOW, before you all flame me...just reason out the above sentence, the ponderment does have validity.
     
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    our state Missouri has this sort of law in consideration also right now....and i havent decided where i stand on it yet...

    like Scorpio said i believe in business owners free choice....be it guns...be it smoking etc..

    but what is happening is the insurers are in most cases driving the gun ban not the business owners.......

    this is a law with many tenticles and un-intended consequences be intresting to see how it plays out
     
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    Hey, Michael! I understood your post! You are comparing the ability of self-defense (discrimination by possession of certain bits of metal) with "civil rights" (discrimination by possession of colored skin). No flames, good point. A business that puts itself as a "public acomodation" should be more tolerant of its guests than a private home, which should have complete and absolute discretion of its guests.
     
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    can a person not see that each and every time a opinion is forced upon another, only tightens the noose around your own neck?

    that in reality, it is begging for servitude, begging for slavery

    one may state, 'that is not what I meant'...........but the reality is, that is exactly it

    when you infringe on anothers freedom, you are only indirectly restricting your own rights in time as others do the same with their opinions
     
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    Exactly. When a business owner imposes his/her opinion on another person's Constitutional rights they are diminishing their own rights and everyone elses.
    This is difficult. Can you deny free speech also in your business establishment? Maybe so. You don't want some dude preaching in your grocery store. Maybe you don't want your customers defending themselves there, either. Maybe you don't want opinionated customers or living customers. Shop here quietly and put your life on the line.
     
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    nice move, totally cool,

    disagree with how you twisted it, but it was still a good play nonetheless.

    with the comment, the choice has still been to infringe on the business owners rights, while claiming you have seniority on his property

    if I am wrong, so be it, but at least persons have had the opportunity to review some key points,

    -what is freedom
    -where does your freedom end, and it becomes infringing on another
    -what is the .gov role
    -what does the 2nd really mean
     

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