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Gunman In Combat Dress Goes Berserk At Texas Church

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  1. searcher

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    Been wondering what makes these people snap like this. Didn't happen when I was a kid now it's a daily happening. Maybe the guy in the vid is on to something? TV, movies, video games and our godless public education system. Are they all playing a part in creating a sick society?
     
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    Ritalin or Zoloft?
     
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    So what do we know?
    He was a bad actor, beat his wife and child while in the Air Force, and was tried and thrown out - illegal for him to have a gun.

    His MIL attended the church, we know of no other connection. Seems to me this is the obvious motive for the wack job to attack at this particular church.

    He bragged about his firearm on Facebook, but nobody who saw it and knew he wasn't legally permitted to have a firearm did anything.

    The cops didn't stop him, the great guy who shot at him on the crime scene and then chased him and shot again at him after the crash, was the hero.

    If the cops chased him like they claim, they had no effect and must have been far behind, as he was dead before they arrived. Again the hero civilian was the prime chaser and stopper of this madman. He engaged him again after the crash, not the cops.
     
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    Yes, they all might play a part. However, I think these drugs they hand out instead of locking the crazy up in mental hospitals has a much greater effect. Of course most don't go off the deep end. I remember well the various stories after these serotonin re-uptake inhibitors hit the streets. "I'm not so depressed anymore. However, I started shoplifting for no reason". "My life is so much better now, of course I have isolated myself from family and friends, I am no longer married, and now I have a gambling addiction." Etc,etc.
    My brother used to call these drugs "government's dream drug." The people with mental problems don't care about them anymore, they are drugged out but still go to work and pay taxes.
     
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    I have read multiple responses tgat he was discharged under bad conduct and not a dishonorable discharge. They are saying a bad conduct discharge does not make you a prohibited person. Seems like the Air Force might have sum explaining to do. How do you beat your wife and kid and not become a felon.
     
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    Lamestream media seems to be stating Dishonorable Discharge. I guess we will have to wait for the facts to shake out. I do know that when I was in, and I don't think it has changed, a domestic violence conviction prevents a military member from handling a firearm on duty. Several soldiers I knew who had a previous conviction to service were discharged honorably when that law came into effect.
     
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    Rusty, found this just now that seems to back you up on a "bad conduct" discharge.

    It’s part of a disturbing picture emerging of the 26-year-old, who was discharged under dishonorable circumstances from the Air Force in 2014, according to Defense Department records. Kelley was court-martialed in November 2012 for assaulting his wife and their child. A judge sentenced him with a bad-conduct discharge, 12 months confinement, and two reductions in rank to basic airman, according to an appeals court decision in 2013 that affirmed the decision against Kelley.

    So the confusion may be between "dishonorable circumstances" and the actual discharge which was a Bad Conduct Discharge.

    I also found this posted by a lawyer in 2009.

    nswered in 9 hours by:
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    Military Lawyer: P. Simmons
    If you have a felony conviction you are precluded under federal law and most state laws from owning a firearm.

    If you are convicted of a crime related to domestic violence, you are prevented from owning a gun under federal law.

    The military is different than civilian jurisdictions...it does not classify crimes as felony or misdemeanors. Rather it lists the various conduct that is criminal in the UCMJ and allows the commander to determine the forum that they want to send the prosecution to...either Summary, Special or General Courts-Martial.

    The common perception among many who are familiar with the system, is that a conviction at a special court-martial is similar to a misdemeanor and conviction at a general court-martial is similar to a felony.

    In the state and federal system, the difference between a felony and misdemeanor is the maximum punishment associated with the charges...with a misdemeanor charges punishable less than a year in jail and a felony charge more than a year. So a charge of "dog not on a leash" maximum punishment 1 month is jail is a misdemeanor and Murder, maximum punishment life in prison is a felony. In federal and state courts, prior to referral to a felony trial the state is often required to go through a grand jury...this is similar to the general court-martial where the government must comply with Article 32, UCMJ (similar to a grand jury).

    SO, if your conviction was at a special court martial and NOT for domestic assault related charge, you do not have a felony and should be able to own a weapon.

    Please let me know if you have further questions; if so I will do my best to answer them. If not please hit the accept button, its the only way I get credit for my work.

    He was convicted for a domestic assault related charge, so Federal law would prevent him from owning or possessing a firearm according to this lawyer.
     
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    Trump says Texas shooting is a problem of mental health, not guns

    By Ashley Parker / The Washington Post
    Monday
    Posted at 7:27 AM



    TOKYO - President Donald Trump declared that the shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas that left at least 26 people dead was not “a guns situation,” saying instead he believed that “mental health” was the problem.

    Trump’s comments came at a news conference in Tokyo, when he was asked about the shooting at a South Texas church and if stricter gun laws were the answer.

    “I think that mental health is your problem here,” Trump said. “Based on preliminary reports, a very deranged individual, a lot of problems for a long period of time.”

    “But,” Trump added, “this isn’t a guns situation.”

    Though the alleged shooter has been identified as Devin Kelley, 26, the full mental state of Kelley has yet to be determined. Kelley, a Texan man who enlisted in the Air Force in 2010, was court-martialed in 2012 for assaulting his wife and child, and received a bad conduct discharge from the military in 2014.

    “This is a mental health problem at the highest level,” Trump said.

    The president also said that the church shooting might have been even deadlier, but for the fact that, “fortunately, somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction.”

    “Otherwise, it would have been, as bad as it was, it would have been much worse,” Trump said.

    A local resident, armed with a weapon of his own, confronted Kelley as he exited the church and began firing, prompting him to flee in his vehicle.

    http://www.buckscountycouriertimes....shooting-is-problem-of-mental-health-not-guns
     
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    The one thing I hate most in these things ... the fucker reloaded.
     
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    I wonder how long the herd is going to fall for the "lone gunman" fairy tale
     
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    1 Drugged up brainwashed CIA asset who dies plus another CIA operative who knows how to shoot is my call. The reason? More security measures for the people are needed, and more money.
     
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    President Trump ought to have the two Texas men who stopped this before the police could arrive to the white house and give them medals and a plaque or whatever presidents do to honor brave civilians. They earned it 100%.
    Takes a lot of balls to run toward gunfire and then chase down the shooter so he couldn't escape.
    Make it known that bravery is as American as it gets and these men used a gun and saved lives.

    The media would absolutely fucking shit themselves. Trump's base would eat it up and the next asshole might think twice before opening fire on innocent people.

    .
     
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    The 'Antifa' connection has, so far, been a false narrative.


    Motive will be interesting...
     
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    Look at the eyes. This phuk is baked. The pupils are clearly dilated while looking toward or in general direction of light source. Eyelids lowered ~ 1/4, generally face is expressionless. Generally indicative of opiate/opioid/SSRI (xanax, zoloft, etc.). Like of gloss on the whites of the eyes and pink/bloodshot appearance indicates no cannabis involved and likely no alcohol. Now, whether he was baked during shooting at church remains unknown at this point (would be discovered during autopsy). Nevertheless the above photo shows that he does use drugs and probably for "recreational purposes" or they were prescribed for mental issues since he was physically active during shooting.
     
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    Just read that the Church services were filmed....




    EXCLUSIVE: 'Creepy, crazy and weird': Former classmates say Texas gunman was an 'outcast' who 'preached his atheism' online before killing 26 in the state’s worst ever mass shooting
    • Devin Patrick Kelley, 26, shot dead 26 people and injured 24 others in Texas
    • Walked into First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs in Texas and opened fire
    • He was wearing black, tactical gear and carrying a military style assault rifle
    • Kelley was shot by local Stephen Willeford, 55, and died after a car chase
    • Former classmates have described him as an 'outcast', 'creepy' and 'weird'
    • Another said he talked 'about how people who believe in God were stupid'
    • LinkedIn reveals Kelley was an Air Force veteran and ex-Bible studies teacher
    • He was court martialed in 2014 for two counts of assault on his spouse and child
    • He was living in New Braunfels, a suburb of San Antonio, and was married
    • Did you know Devin Patrick Kelley? Please contact Jenny Stanton by emailing jenny.stanton@mailonline.com
    By Jenny Stanton For Dailymail.com

    PUBLISHED: 22:55 EST, 5 November 2017


    The Texas church shooter who shot dead 26 people and injured 24 others was an 'outcast' who 'preached his atheism' online.

    Former classmates say Devin Patrick Kelley, 26, who stormed First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs in Texas and opened fire on Sunday, was 'creepy', 'crazy' and 'weird'.

    Patrick Boyce, who attended New Braunfels High School with the killer, told DailyMail.com: 'He had a kid or two, fairly normal, but kinda quiet and lately seemed depressed.

    'He was the first atheist I met. He went Air Force after high school, got discharged but I don't know why.

    'I was just shocked [to hear the news]. Still haven’t quite processed how he could have done that.'

    Nina Rose Nava, who went to school with the gunman, wrote on Facebook: 'In (sic) in complete shock! I legit just deleted him off my fb cause I couldn't stand his post.

    'He was always talking about how people who believe in God we're stupid and trying to preach his atheism'

    Christopher Leo Longoria replied: 'I removed him off FB for those same reasons! He was being super nagtive (sic) all the timd (sic).'

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    Kelley, (pictured in a yearbook photo, left, and recently, right) 26, of New Braunfels, shot dead 26 people and injured 24 others

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    Devin Patrick Kelley is pictured here in a New Braunfels High School 2009 yearbook photo

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    The shooting happened at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs (pictured), where around 50 people usually attend service

    Michael Goff added: 'He was weird but never that damn weird, always posting his atheist sh** like Nina wrote, but damn he always posted pics of him and his baby - crazy.'

    Nava added to DailyMail.com: 'I went to school with him. We had a few conversations here and there. It's not something I expected from him.

    'He was an outcast but not a loner. He was popular among other outcast. I haven't spoke to him since high school.'

    Another former classmate, who asked to remain anonymous, told DailyMail.com: 'I grew up going to school with him... Always creeped me out and was different.'

    She said she moved away from the area while she was in junior high and lost touch with a lot of people.


    However, Kelley recently commented on one of her Facebook posts.

    'I said I just want to move back to Texas,' she said. 'And he said something along the lines of "Texas isn't any better". Pretty much said he didn't like Texas.

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    Former classmates say Devin Patrick Kelley as 'creepy', 'crazy' and 'weird'

    'I think he had one kid, she/he is still a baby. He was married but I don't know to who. It's crazy to think I grew up with him. Same town. Same school. Same classes.



    'He was different in school and creeped me out but never would I have thought he would do such a horrific thing.'

    A former friend wrote on Facebook: 'It's scary to know this psychopath has been in my house. I can't believe I was friends with this guy and I literally would stay the night at his place when we were kids.'

    He added: 'I ended up distancing myself from him in high school after he got in an argument with me in school and he tried punching me several times. Dude was crazy man.'

    Cord Eubank Brown wrote on social media: 'I cannot believe this. I went to high school with this maniac.

    'There were people I knew who stayed away from this guy for many reasons, which all make sense now. He just requested me on facebook recently.'


    Kelley walked into the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs on Sunday, dressed in black, tactical gear with a ballistics belt and an assault rifle, and began shooting, according to local law enforcement sources.

    Kelley of New Braunfels, a suburb of San Antonio, was shot by Stephen Willeford, 55, before he climbed in an SUV to flee the scene, a local resident told DailyMail.com.

    Another local resident, Johnnie Langendorff, who had witnessed the confrontation refused to let the shooter get away. Both he and Willeford, a local plumber, jumped in his truck and gave chase.

    In a Facebook post, Langendorff's girlfriend Summer Caddel described how the pair had 'jumped in my boyfriend's truck and they chased that sick b*****d down in pursuit until the cops could catch up. He was able to run the shooter off of the road on 539!'

    As they approached a sharp curve in the road, near the 307 and 539, Kelley appeared to lose control and his car swerved off the road.

    Kelley was already dead when they found him. It's unclear if he committed suicide or died from his pursuers' gunshots.

    Cops discovered multiple weapons and possible explosives in his vehicle.

    San Antonio police also raided Kelley's home on Sunday evening, with K9 and bomb squad units.

    Kelley, who was married, had recently posted a photo of an AR-15 style gun on his Facebook page with the caption: 'She's a bad b***h.'

    He reportedly purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle in April last year from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio, according to CNN.

    When he filled out the background check paperwork, he checked a box that indicated he didn't have a past criminal history, an official told said, adding that he listed an address in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

    Texas Sheriff Joe Tackitt said that the shooter was not known to law enforcement.

    A LinkedIn account which appears to be Kelley's states that he joined the US Air Force after graduating New Braunfels High School in 2009.

    An Air Force official said the gunman was court-martialed in 2012 and discharged two years later.

    Spokeswoman Ann Stefanek said Kelley was court-martialed on one count of assault on his spouse and another count of assault on their child. He received a bad conduct discharge, 12 months' confinement and a reduction in rank.


    Stefanek also said Kelley served in Logistics Readiness at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico from 2010 until his discharge.

    Kelley volunteered as a teacher for Bible studies at Kingsville First Baptist Church, according to his LinkedIn which shows him posing which a young child.

    He was married to Danielle Shields, and they appear to have a child together. She was previously a teacher at the First Baptist Church.

    Kelley lived at his parents’ home with his wife and child and neighbor Mark Moravitz told ABC News he would sometimes hear gunshots coming from near that house late at night.

    The gunman's mother-in-law, Michelle Shields, also appears to have been a parishioner at the church and was friends on social media with the pastor's wife.

    It is not clear whether they were at the church at the time of the shooting.

    Local law enforcement say the gunman had a relatively clean criminal record, with just a traffic offenses in recent years.

    The names of the victims are now emerging and include a mother-of-four and her two young daughters, a 14-year-old pastor's daughter and Sunday's stand-in preacher, his wife, and eight-months-pregnant daughter-in-law.

    The first victim to be identified was Annabelle Pomeroy, whose father - First Baptist Church Pastor Frank Pomeroy - had been out of town during the attack. The grieving dad told ABC he's lost 'one beautiful girl, and a 'special child.'

    Bryan Holcombe had been standing in for Frank Pomeroy when Kelley opened fire. Witnesses say he was the first victim to be struck by the shooter's gunfire.

    'Bryan was filling in,' the witness, who did not want to be named, told DailyMail.com. 'He was walking up to the pulpit when he was shot in the back.'

    He was killed, alongside his wife of 25 years, Sunday school teacher Karla Holcombe, as well as their eight-months-pregnant daughter-in-law Crystal, local residents reported.

    'The family is just devastated,' the witness added.

    The couple ran a canvas repair shop before retiring and had attended the church for 25 years.

    Mother-of-four Joann Ward and three of her children were also shot. Family have since told the Dallas News that Joann and two of her daughters, six-year-old Brooke and eight-year-old Emily have died.

    Ward's six-year-old stepson Rylan, who was shot four times, is still in hospital after undergoing emergency surgery. The mom's eldest daughter Rihanna, nine, had the glasses shot off her face but escaped injury by hiding under a pew as shots rang out.



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-outcast-preached-atheism.html#ixzz4xfqi1L00
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    What a horrible thing to happen to ordinary people by a wack job. Cut down for no reason. So many children. My GOD!
     
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    Pretty messed up society when the difference between being alive or dead
    is deciding to go or not to go to church on Sunday.
     
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    He was such a nice boy....




    Man who killed 26 inside Texas church arrested for animal cruelty in Colorado
    Allison Sylte, KUSA

    KUSA - The man who Texas law enforcement says shot and killed 26 people at a small town church Sunday morning was arrested for punching and dragging a dog in Colorado Springs, according to documents obtained by 9Wants to Know.

    Devin Kelley, 26, lived in Colorado Springs for the past few years before moving to a suburb of San Antonio -- a couple of counties over from the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

    It was at this small town church that Kelley gunned down more than two dozen people ranging in age from 18 months old to 77 years old.

    The ATF said two of the four guns in Kelley’s possession at the time of the shooting had been purchased in Colorado.

    Kelley was arrested for animal cruelty in Colorado on Aug. 1, 2014.

    This case was eventually dismissed. According to public records currently available, the case was dismissed after Kelley successfully completed his sentence.

    RELATED: Records show Colorado Springs shooting suspect once lived in Colorado Springs

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    According to a report about the incident from the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office, a witness told deputies she called police after she saw Kelley abusing a dog.

    The witness told the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office that when she spotted a young white and brown husky running loose near the back of her camping space, Kelley “ran up to the dog and jumped on top of it.” He then began “punching the dog with a closed fist near the head and neck area.”

    “She stated she witnessed four to five punches and then the male suspect grabbed the dog by the neck and drug him away,” the arrest report reads.

    This account was corroborated by multiple other witnesses – one of whom said Kelley started hitting the dog after it refused to obey his commands, according to the arrest report.

    When a deputy knocked on the door to Kelley’s trailer, the arrest report says Kelley initially refused to come outside and said he was going to bed. When an El Paso County sergeant arrived, the report says Kelley told him he wouldn’t come outside or show him the dog without a search warrant.

    Deputies were later able to convince Kelley to come outside, according to the report. The dog did not have obvious signs of injury, but it did appear underweight, the report goes on to say.

    Kelley went on to tell deputies that he jumped on top of the dog to keep it from running any further and that it was acting aggressively toward other dogs. He denied hitting the dog or grabbing the animal by the neck.

    The dog was later impounded for examination by the humane society, according to the arrest report.

    This isn’t the first time Kelley has run afoul of the law.

    NBC News confirmed that Kelley received a bad conduct discharge from the Air Force, where he served in Logistics Readiness at the Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico from 2010 to 2014.

    Kelley was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts of Article 128, UCMJ, assault on his spouse and on their child, according to the NBC News report. He was placed on confinement for 12 months and given a reduction to grade E-1.

    NBC News reports he was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts of Article 128 UCMJ, assault on his spouse and on their child. He was placed on confinement for 12 months and given a reduction to grade E-1.

    The ATF Special Agent in Charge, Fred Malinowski, said Monday that typically a dishonorable discharge would prohibit a person from purchasing a firearm.

    On Monday, the regional director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, Freeman Martin, detailed perhaps a part of the suspect's motives. Martin said Kelley had 'expressed anger' towards his mother-in-law, who was a member of the church in Sutherland Springs.

    Martin said there was a 'domestic issue' within the family, and that the mother-in-law had received threatening text messages from Kelley.

    Kelley entered the church during Sunday service dressed in all black, wearing a ballistic vest and carrying a Ruger AR assault-type rifle, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety.

    He wore a black mask with a white 'skull face' during the shooting, according to the Texas Dept. of Public Safety.

    As he left the church, a local resident spotted him and grabbed his or her own weapon and exchanged fire. Authorities said Kelley then dropped his gun and fled in his vehicle, with the local resident in pursuit.

    Police would find him dead in his car a short while later.

    Kelley's cause of death has not yet been determined, but a spokesperson from the Texas Dept. of Public Safety indicated evidence may show the suspect died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

    9NEWS is naming the suspect in this shooting in case anyone who knew him can provide more information to investigators about what potentially led to the attack.

    Continuing coverage from 9NEWS:
     
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    Especially when the kid got a broken skull out of the deal. How could an assault that bad not be considered a felony? Especially on an infant.

    Texas Gunman Broke Skull of Infant Stepson in 2012 Assault
     
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    So now churches will have ushers to take up the collection & a guard at the door.
     
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    Man who shot Texas church gunman shares his story

    SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas —

    Stephen Willeford shot and chased the man who killed 26 people in a Texas church on Sunday. He spoke to 40/29 News in an exclusive sit-down interview on Monday.

    Willeford was at home when his daughter came into his bedroom to tell him she heard gunshots at the First Baptist Church nearby.

    "I kept hearing the shots, one after another, very rapid shots - just 'pop pop pop pop' and I knew every one of those shots represented someone, that it was aimed at someone, that they weren't just random shots," Willeford said."

    Willeford loaded his magazine and ran across the street to the church, not even taking the time to put on shoes. When Willeford saw the gunman, he exchanged gunfire.

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    "He saw me and I saw him," Willeford said. "I was standing behind a pickup truck for cover."

    "I know I hit him," Willeford said. "He got into his vehicle, and he fired another couple rounds through his side window. When the window dropped, I fired another round at him again."

    The gunman then sped down the highway.

    Willeford spotted a pickup truck at a stop sign. He ran to the truck and asked the driver for help.

    "That guy just shot up the Baptist church. We need to stop him," Willeford told the driver.

    Willeford and the driver chased the gunman down the highway. On the way, they called 911 to give a description of the gunman's vehicle and where they were.

    Eventually, they caught up to the gunman's truck. The gunman slowed down before speeding up and hitting a road sign. The gunman's truck flipped and went down into a ditch.

    Willeford got out of the truck and put his rifle on top of the truck, keeping his eye on where the gunman's vehicle was.

    Willeford yelled "get out of the truck, get out of the truck," but never saw any movement. Law enforcement came to the scene. They believe the gunman committed suicide.

    Willeford said he's no hero.

    "I think my God, my Lord protected me and gave me the skills to do what needed to be done," Willeford said.

    Willeford's family has lived in the Sutherland Springs area for four generations. He had numerous friends who went to the church.

    The mass shooting left 20 others wounded in the small town, about 30 miles east of San Antonio.

    Law enforcement later identified the suspect as Devin Patrick Kelley.

    The massacre killed about 4% of the town's population. And no one at church was left unscathed, Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt said.

    "I think nearly everyone had some type of injury," the sheriff told reporters Monday.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott called the slaughter "the largest mass shooting" in the state's history and ordered flags to fly at half-staff across the state Monday.
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    Willeford, a former NRA instructor, got his rifle out of his safe while his daughter looked outside again. She ran back in and told him she saw a man in black tactical gear shooting up the church.
     
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    Texas shooter allowed to buy weapons after Air Force failed to flag him

    WASHINGTON (USA TODAY) - The Air Force failed to flag Devin Kelley as banned from buying the weapons he used to kill 26 people and wound 20 more worshipers at a South Texas church on Sunday, the Air Force acknowledged late Monday.

    Kelley’s domestic violence offense was not entered into the National Criminal Information Center database by the Air Force officials at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico where he had served, Ann Stefanek, an Air Force spokeswoman, said in a statement to 9NEWS.

    The Air Force was required to provide the information to the database because Kelley was convicted of a domestic assault and under federal law would not have been able to purchase a gun legally, which he did twice in Colorado.

    A review has been ordered into how the error occurred, Stefanek said, as well as a comprehensive review of all cases to ensure they have been properly reported.

    Kelley had been convicted of assault in a military court in 2012, for fracturing the skull of his young stepson, and the FBI should have barred him from buying the weapons, said Don Christensen, the service's top prosecutor whose office oversaw Kelley's Air Force prosecution.

    The information related to Kelley’s court martial and the underlying domestic violence offenses were not transmitted by the military to the FBI’s National Instant Check System used to vet prospective gun purchasers, a law enforcement official said Monday.

    The official, who is not authorized to comment publicly, said to USA Today that authorities had been attempting to reconcile Kelley’s gun purchases with federal law, which prohibits those with criminal records involving misdemeanor domestic violence from obtaining or owning firearms.

    Under terms of a 1996 amendment to the Gun Control Act, known as Lautenberg Amendment, gun purchases would be denied to those who have used force or even attempted to use force against a family member.

    The conviction should have flagged Kelley as ineligible to buy the weapons, if the FBI had been made aware of it, Christensen said.

    In a Monday morning press conference, Phil Milanowski, the ATF's special agent in charge of the Houston field division, said Kelley legally bought one gun a year between 2014 and 2017. Two of them were bought in Colorado, and two of them were bought in Texas. According to 9NEWS' sister station KENS5, Kelley bought the guns in Texas in 2016 and 2017, meaning he purchased the first two in Colorado -- the first purchase being two years after the conviction.
     
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    He was such an nice fella...



    RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE: Texas Shooter Cracked Infant Stepson's Skull, Punched A Dog, Stalked Women

    After the Sutherland Springs, Texas, mass shooting, the press immediately leapt to conclusions about gun control. But they should have been seeking rationale for 26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley’s actions in a series of red flags that were, in retrospect, obvious to anyone. Here’s the list.

    1. He Tried To Date Underage Girls. Very Underage Girls. According to The New York Post, Kelley dated a 13-year-old when he was 18 and later reportedly “suggested she live with him and his wife as a topless maid.” That then-13-year-old also claimed that Kelley essentially stalked her.

    2. He Was Court Martialed For Domestic Violence. More specifically, Kelley reportedly was convicted for fracturing the skull of his infant stepson and assaulting his then-wife. She divorced him; he remarried.

    3. He Was Arrested For Animal Cruelty. According to El Paso County Sheriff’s Office records, Kelley was arrested at a Colorado Springs RV park for punching a dog, throwing it, and dragging it. He was given probation after an hour-long standoff with police resulted in his arrest.

    4. He Threatened His Mother-In-Law. He was apparently on the outs with his wife, and he had exchanged threatening texts with his mother-in-law. His mother-in-law attended the church where Kelley conducted the massacre.

    Yet despite all of this, Kelley was able to buy four guns in the past four years. Federal law prohibits the ownership of a gun after a conviction for domestic violence, and according to Texas Governor Greg Abbott, “he was not supposed to have access to a gun.”
     
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    White male; check
    Unarmed subjects; check
    Woman & children; check
    Wackjob with history; check
    Black "assault rifle"; check
    Reloaded; check

    Almost like someone planned this all along.......
     
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    Goldhedge Moderator Site Mgr Site Supporter

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    WATCH: Steven Crowder Interviews Texas Shooting Hero Stephen Willeford

    On Monday, conservative commentator and comedian Steven Crowder interviewed Stephen Willeford, the heroic 55-year-old man who grabbed his gun and ran toward danger on Sunday as Devin Patrick Kelley, a man with a disturbing, violent past, was in the process of committing the most deadly mass shooting in the history of Texas.

    During the 11 a.m. worship service of First Baptist of Sutherland Springs, Kelley, 26, armed with a Ruger AR-15 and wearing black tactical gear complete with a ballistic vest, opened fire on congregants, killing 26 and injuring over 20.

    When he was told by his daughter that someone was shooting at the nearby church, Willeford, an NRA instructor, quickly went to his safe and got out his rifle and a handful of ammunition. Willeford, who didn't even have time to put on shoes, then courageously went out to confront the gunman.

    "I love my community. I love the people that are there. I know most of the people who went to the church there," he told Crowder, clearly struggling to keep his emotions in check. "And most of them know my grandparents, the older ones, that's how far back it goes."

    After Crowder noted that everyone in the community has spoken very highly of him, he asked the humble hero to describe the events surrounding the shooting.




    Willeford told Crowder that his older daughter was the one who suggested that the popping sound outside was gunfire. As he ran back to his safe to get out his AR-15, his daughter went to her car and drove around the block to see what was happening. When she returned, she said that a man in black tactical gear was shooting up the church that was a block away.


    Willeford said that he grabbed a handful of ammunition and began loading a magazine as walked toward the door. He noted that he told his older daughter to load another magazine for him just to give her "busy work" to occupy her mind. Willeford underscored that his family had undergone NRA fire arms safety training, and he himself was an NRA instructor.

    "I ran out of the house — and some people said why did you run out barefoot?" he said. "My answer was every time I heard a shot, I was thinking that was assigned to someone else. That shot was a sign that he was shooting at another person, every time I heard a shot fire — and I didn't have time to put shoes on."

    Willeford said he ran across the neighbor's yard toward the church and saw a gray SUV in the street with the engine running and the door open.

    "I saw the shooter come from around the vehicle, and this time he had a handgun in his hand," said WIlleford. "My daughter said he had an AR-15, but when I saw him he had a handgun." Willeford said that Kelley was wearing black tactical gear, including a helmet with a dark-shaded visor and a Kevlar bulletproof vest.

    With about 20 yards between them, the two men began to exchange fire, Willeford using a neighbor's truck as cover.

    "I'm a Christian ... and I believe at this point .. the Holy Spirit was on me," said Willeford, "because I had the presence of mind to look at what was going on, and as we exchanged fire, I noticed that the side was one of those tactical vests that velcros across," leaving his side exposed.

    In part because of his NRA training but also because of divine intervention, suggested Willeford, he managed to shoot Kelley where he had no Kevlar protection.

    Kelley then fled to his vehicle. Willeford continued to fire, blowing out one of Kelley's windows as he took off.

    Another local man, Johnnie Langendorff, had driven up in time to witness the shootout. Willeford said he told him that a man just shot up the Baptist Church and we must pursue him. The two men then pursued Kelley at high speeds down Highway 539, some reports saying they hit around 95 MPH during the chase. The men contacted 911 as they pursued, while Kelley checked how many rounds he had left.

    When they finally caught up with him, Kelley veered off the road and eventually crashed. Willeford exited the vehicle with his rifle drawn but saw "no movement" in the vehicle. He stayed put, waiting for authorities for several minutes, constantly keeping his weapon trained on the SUV.

    Crowder noted that Willeford may have saved other people's lives by his actions. Willeford said while he could not be sure what Kelley's intentions were, he was heavily armed and drove in the direction of another church.
     
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    Some clerk in the Air Force didn't do his or her job which allowed this idiot loser to get his hands on guns without a problem.
    They need to tract that clerk down and throw the book at him or her.
     
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    Just following CIA orders they need patsies, especially patsies with a middle name.
     
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    gringott Killed then Resurrected Midas Member Site Supporter

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    I have noticed these shooters ALWAYS have a middle name. I am thinking of changing my name to drop the middle name so I can't be used as a patsy.


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    The only difference between this sick animal in Texas and ANTIFA is this guy actually did what ANTIFA always claims they are going to do.
    They are both equally cowards. ANTIFA only holds it's riots in places they have bought off the local police dept and they know they will not be challenged by equally armed citizens.
    10 men with baseball bats would decimate a ANTIFA riot in 20 minutes or less.

    The Texas shooter ran like a little girl after a barefoot man with a rifle came after him and shot himself when cornered.

    Cowards both and all. Gutless, spineless, confused little gelded girly males.

    I would round up all the ANTIFA wearing masks next time they gather and send them to France where the local muslim males will rape them to death.


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    'Everybody dies motherf*****!' Survivor who lived after playing dead in Texas church massacre recounts shooter's only words as he walked up and down the aisle 15 times shooting at the piles of lifeless bodies
    • Rosa Solis survived Sunday's Texas church shooting by playing dead
    • She was discharged from the hospital on Monday and recounted the horrifying experience to ABC News from her home where she continues to recover
    • Solis says that the only thing the shooter said during the attack was 'Everybody dies motherf*****!'
    • She says he walked up and down the aisle, shooting at the piles of lifeless bodies, checking to make sure that everyone was dead
    • Solis survived by hiding herself underneath a bench
    • Another woman who survived said the shooter walked up and down the aisle shooting at victims about 10 to 15 times
    • Shooter Devin Patrick Kelley reportedly fired hundreds of rounds at the parishioners and reloaded dozens of times
    • A local man brought the shooting to an end when he ran over to the church with his own gun and chased Kelley away
    • Kelley committed suicide behind the wheel of his SUV as he fled the scene


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5058153/Texas-church-shooting-survivor-recounts-horrifying-ordeal.html#ixzz4xkl9hmeG
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    Trump faces gun control question for the second day in a row while he's thousands of miles from home as Texas grieves over 26 dead in church shooting
    • Donald Trump was grilled over gun control for the second day running in Seoul
    • Was asked whether he will be applying 'extreme vetting' policy to gun purchases
    • Replied that it would have made 'no difference' to outcome of Texas shooting
    • Added that it may have taken a gun out of the hands of Stephen Willeford, who chased down and shot killer Devin Patrick Kelley


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    Hero Stephen Willeford Used An AR-15 To Take Down Texas Shooter
    An AR-15 was used by the mass shooter to take innocent lives — but also used to take him out.

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    Following the most deadly mass shooting in a place of worship in the history of America, the gun control debate is raging once again, with many gun control advocates pointing out that mass murderer Devin Patrick Kelley used a type of AR-15 — a Ruger AR-556 — to take innocent lives.

    Calls for a renewed ban on vaguely defined "assault rifles" have repeatedly arisen from the Left following mass shootings. In the case of the horrific Sutherland Springs shooting, however, calls for banning AR-15s are somewhat complicated by the fact that the man who brought Kellley's murderous campaign to an abrupt halt used an AR-15 to do so.

    Heroic Sutherland Springs resident Stephen Willeford revealed in interviews Monday that he is an NRA instructor whose immediate family has undergone gun safety training. He also revealed that he used his AR-15 to injure Kelley and force him into a high speed chase. Kelley was found dead of a gun wound after he lost control of his SUV.

    To carry out his heinous massacre of congregants at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Kelley used a Ruger AR-556, which CNN explains is "a type of AR-15, the military-style rifle that has been used in many other recent mass shootings," including the most deadly mass shooting in American history which occurred in Las Vegas on Oct 1 and the Orlando night club massacre. Kelley also used a handgun during his shootout with Willeford.

    Kelley should not have been allowed to purchase his firearms, only managing to do so because of a filing error by the United States Air Force. The Air Force failed to submit Kelley's criminal history to the FBI, which would have prevented him from purchasing firearms. Kelley was court-martialed for assaulting his wife and infant child, pleading guilty to intentionally doing so. He was ultimately discharged for bad conduct from the Air Force in 2014.


    In an interview with Steven Crowder on Monday, Willeford described in detail his encounter with Kelley. Willeford specified that after he and his daughter realized that Kelley was shooting up the church, he went back to his safe and grabbed his AR-15 and a handful of ammo.

    Willeford said he didn't even have time to put on his shoes. He ran barefoot through his neighbor's yard, took position behind a truck and engaged Kelley, who was about 20 yards away. Having used his Ruger for most of the attack on the church, Kelley had a handgun when he exchanged fire with Willeford.

    "I saw the shooter come from around the vehicle, and this time he had a handgun in his hand," said WIlleford. "My daughter said he had an AR-15, but when I saw him he had a handgun."

    Kelley was wearing black tactical gear, including a helmet with a dark-shaded visor and a Kevlar bulletproof vest, which Willeford noticed had velcro along the sides, exposing Kelley's side.

    "I'm a Christian ... and I believe at this point ... the Holy Spirit was on me," Willeford told Crowder, "because I had the presence of mind to look at what was going on, and as we exchanged fire, I noticed that the side was one of those tactical vests that velcros across."


    Willeford managed to shoot him in the side, prompting Kelley to flee to his SUV and speed away. Willeford and another local man, Johnnie Langendorff, pursued him in Langendorff's vehicle. After a high-speed chase, Kelley lost control of his vehicle. Willeford and Langendorff waited for authorities to arrive for several minutes. All the while, Willeford kept his rifle trained on the SUV, but he said there was "no movement." Kelley was found dead of a gun wound.

    Willeford told Crowder that while he could not be sure what Kelley intended to do after his attack on First Baptist, he drove in the direction of another church and was heavily armed.
     
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    They print all criminals with middle names. Not just 'shooters'....
     
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    Sutherland Springs Church Shooting: Lessons from a Hero
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    Published on Nov 7, 2017
    Another Gun-free zone has been massacred. A baptist church in Sutherland Springs, Texas was assaulted by a deranged man, killing 26 and injuring that many more including children. A responsible armed citizen stood up to the assailant ultimately killing him and stopping the rampage with his own AR-15. However, I believe that there are some lessons to be learned directly from this hero.

    There is a balance between security and accessibility when we are discussing firearms. As a responsible armed citizen you are responsible to have your equipment squared away if you are unfortunate enough to answer the door when evil knocks.
     
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    Another Gun Free Zone.....

    As I've said before, It's a "Come Kill, Rob, or Rape Me Zone."
     
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    Turns out the shooter was also committed to a mental hospital and escaped.
    Guess he tried to smuggle guns on base and threatened to shoot his chain of command.
     
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    the_shootist The war is here on our doorstep! Midas Member Site Supporter ++

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    Well, other than all that I don't see how our government and military can be blamed here!
     
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