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How Angry Will You Be If The Republicans In Congress Do Not Repeal Obamacare?

Discussion in 'Politics Forum (Local/National/World)' started by Scorpio, Feb 28, 2017.



  1. bemac

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    Actually it was Medicare D which was a gift to Big Pharma (and Paul Ryan voted for that shit, too), Obamacare was a gift to insurance companies.
     
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    BEFORE anyone swallows that Germany Panacea on healthcare look at their income and payroll taxes. Which parts of go to pay their wonderful program:

    (No information on City / State .gov taxes on the German people)

    National Taxes:
    14% of your first (Euro) 8.3K of income, & 47.475% (45% income tax + 5.5% solidarity surcharge based on the total tax bill).

    41% - 15% for one of the many public health insurances (fixed rate by law), as well as a solidarity tax (depending on income) and a 26% social security tax for Retirement and/or Unemployment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

    Seems to me that Germans lose far money of their money to Ger. .Gov that what Americans do to Fed and State .gov
     
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    Teflon blaming the Dem's, unbelievable, they didn't need any Dem's. It failed because the lollipops have to many sub political parties and they all wanted something in trade for their yes vote. This isn't the last of the lollipop infighting. It was a lousy replacement plan anyway.
     
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    It was Ryan's plan and Trump let him hang himself with it
     
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    If it's higher average life expectancy rates that are your measuring stick as to what works or not, here's the real problem that needs fixing.

    obesity.PNG

    Just getting people more active and out from in front of the TV would help a lot, in spite of healthcare and its costs. Cardiovascular issues and heart disease is the top killer of people in America. Diabetes and its complications are up there, too. Exercise and better eating habits will mitigate a lot of those problems and is a much better choice than trying to fix the problem with pills from the DR that only attempt to manage the results of a sedentary lifestyle. In Japan, people are more likely to die from the flu and/or pneumonia than heart disease. Probably because their hearts aren't being worn out prematurely by being forced to work as hard to do the same thing.

    So if you want to use life expectancy data to support single payer, you need to look at all the variables.
     
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    I'm not in favor of it, but at least single payer as most countries practice it allows the government to negotiate price with drug companies.

    Why does Medicare pay full price for drugs that everyone else in the world gets for 10% or less of our cost? Because our system is by the corporations, of the corporations, and for the corporations.
     
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    The only chance that you fella's stateside have of moving healthcare ahead, is if those who benefit financially from the current setup, thats the HealthCo's, the politicians who are enriched by the lobbying of the HealthCo's, and the Democrats who keep their voting base free of any medical charges, are collectively run into the buffers.

    This is what the President will effectively achieve. He's left the creators of the current recipe with their own creation, and ensured that they'll be forced to eat it. Oh and how they'll scream :)
     
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    Yes, what it boils down to is, a fascist system makes a socialist system look attractive. And that is exactly what we have here, a fascist health care system, and it's so bad, there are actually people in a forum like this who begin thinking a socialist system is what we need.
     
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    Hey Scorpio, are you saying because we feed the Israelis, we got to keep them? Damn those politicians...
     
  10. Scorpio

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    I ain't sayin' anything,

    Just putting info up for all,

    My personal belief is healthcare is not a right, nor is it my concern wtf anyone does.

    I actually believe in Liberty and one needs to get off their a$$ and do something productive.

    My only allowance is for the actual disabled and elderly, and even that is very limited.
     
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    I would love to see health insurance costs brought down to sane levels but with the .gov already rolled up in it and refusing to let any of it go it will take a miracle to even kind of fix it. I ain't holding my breath.

    As for me, I'm a white middle age male who used to have a great job in manufacturing. As a white male all I ever got from the yew ess govmint is told to sit down, shut up and give me your money. Year after year. The democrats have turned into communist howler monkeys and the republicans are communist howler monkeys who claim they are not. Damned embarrassing.

    I voted for President Trump to go to DC and fucking wreck the place. Kick the hornets nests, call out the liars, fire as much of the staff as possible and pretty much destroy everything he can.

    So far I am really happy with the results. The ongoing actual physical and emotional pain emanating from politicians and the media is like fresh clover honey on my toasted ciabatta roll in the morning.

    Most fun I have had in 32 years of being politically active.

    .:2 thumbs up:
     
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  12. Scorpio

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    that is for damn sure
     
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    "POLITICS..... It's a Big Party, and you aint invited". to paraphrase George Carlin - RIP
     
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    Personally I laugh at the concept of opposition. Its all a theater. No matter which one of the big 2 get into power, one thing that is an absolute, is an increase in taxes and regulation, and a decrease in freedoms. As I point out to my peers when they ask "but what can we do about it?" Answer, for all the working classes that are taxed to the hilt to pay for either ludicrous left wing social programs, or, to subsidize BigBig biz, to march down to the parliament and kick everyone of those useless arseholes out of there. Its the tax payers that pay for pollies lucrative lifestyles. Its only fair that tax payers should have a major say IMO.


    And whilst on topic, only those that have contributed a fair share to the tax system should be allowed a vote IMHO
    SH
     
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    Time will tell, but in the interim, the Beltway interior needs a tactical nuke detonation while MY POTUS and his crew are safely ensconced at Mar-a-lago.

    Hypothetically speaking...
     
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    I very much like this idea.

    So, how would one determine a "fair share?"

    It might be considered subjective.

    Including, SS, and Medicare, my wife and I have paid in over $1 million FRNs in taxes over the course of 35+ years of employment.

    I have literally nothing to show for it, and yet the IRS is hounding me relentlessly for an alleged $30K debt.

    Have I not already paid my "fair share?"

    Better yet, why don't we simply repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments, and see how things work out.

    Abolish the IRS!
     
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    Message sent, Donald? Fox News's Judge Jeanine calls on Paul Ryan to step down as House Speaker hours after President tells his Twitter followers to tune in
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    I couldn't agree more. On matters that will involve a significant amount of spending, only significant taxpayers should be allowed to vote.

    Lobbyists, lawyers and cronies run the country. Not the people.
     
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    I'm all for abolishing the IRS.
    BUT what constitutes a "Tax Payer" ? Every time you buy gas or tires you are paying Federal Taxes on top of any state and local taxes. Most states TAX every thing with the exception of foods cooked at home.
    I don't know about y'all but my billing I get just to get on the internet is chock full of Federal/State/Local Taxes and "Fees" ( another tax in my book).
    Do you get an Electric Bill ? You pay another sh!t load of taxes ( and fees).
    If you happen to live in a county with an active Urban Center there is a good chance you are also paying School Tax on every utility you use, and YOU do not get to vote For/ Agin' it.

    So outside of babies and children in school and not working WHO Does Not Pay Taxes ?
    Just Axin'
     
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    Yup, if you're breathing you're paying taxes. And then when you stop breathing, they tax your estate.
     
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    Why should businesses be burdened with collecting and paying taxes (free labour) to the govt?

    You take the budget and divide it by total number of people (young, old, workers, non workers) & everyone pays their share. Have a family you pay extra shares until kid is 18 & pays for themselves.
    No deductions needed.

    I would really love to see what that number is. In fiscal year 2015, the federal government spent $3.7 trillion. The United States will enter 2015 with 320,090,857 people.

    upload_2017-3-26_13-17-21.gif

    Now every man, woman and child pays $11,559.21. That 3.7 trillion number is only federal spending. Add in state, county, city taxes and things like gas taxes. Nothing like everyone getting a $1500 month bill for being a member of the largest gated community in the world. Don't think that would make others "fiscal conservatives"? What do you mean you get 180K a year & healthcare FOREVER?

    Yes I know that is not a perfect number..... after all SS money is still in algore's lock box right?
     
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    People should be billed for their taxes and pay the .gov quarterly.
    You would see some god damn tax reform most ricky tick if folks had to take money after they got it in their hands and then give it away!

    .

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    That's what they don't want. The People actually having an accurate way to see exactly how much it all costs them.
    ...and if everyone pays the same, rich people lose their favor with the gov and they'll have to resort to good ol' fashioned bribery to regain that favor.
     
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    As long as the hedge funds and wall street criminals and manipulators are reaping whopping profits in their nefarious schemes, the government should use any and all means to make their lives miserable through IRS and justice department actions. Humble self employed people doing good work should not be among the most heavily taxed.
     
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    They're not. It just seems that way. Middle class covers only covers about 6% of the bill.


    What would you consider as being significant?

    The ones making over $80k/year already pay the lions share of the cost as it is. Should they be the only ones allowed to vote? I'd think that by anyones standards, 97% is a significant share of the total.

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    Really do not know the answer to your question, but I do know this.
    Top level drugs, y'know the one's that really work Medicare pays 0%.
    Next level down, Medicare pays a discount% and you pay $45-50.
    Generic drugs are usually so cheap that you wind up paying the whole cost, usually under $20.

    When I saw how much the pharmacy's were marking up the costs I was surprised. Places like CVS have a 200% markup on most of these drugs. That's how they can pay their pharmacists $180k per year, yeah $180k to count pills and put them in a bottle.

    Then you have the monthly premium for drug coverage. That could range from as little as $10 a month to $50 per month depending on what Ins. Co you are with. At Medicare.gov you can put in all the drugs you take, your location, and it will give you a list of plans and what they cover. What you glean from that should help anyone decide which plan to buy.

    Me I have a no deductible plan that cost's $28 a month but it is one of the only plans that covers a certain drug I take. So instead of paying $71 for the drug with my former plan I pay $47. I also take "Spirvia" which no plan covers. The cost vary's by pharmacy from $194 to $250. That drug I get from India for, are you ready for this??? $14.60 a month. (been doing this now for 10 yr's.)

    If you are on Medicare Part D, or know someone who is, you should check every year because your Dr. might add a new drug and you can change plans to suit your financial needs.

    Where Medicare get's ripped off is in the hospitals. One Spiriva cap cost $28 the last time I was in there. So you know what I did? I brought my own, plus my pain meds. I do my best to NOT allow the healthcare system steal from Medicare. Most people don't care, they just say what the heck the gov is paying why should I care. Me I can leave with my conscience intact. I also turn down prolly 60% of the (what I believe to be unnecessary) tests that these Dr's. want to do. But I'm very pro-active in, my health care, and I am convinced that I am one of small minority of the people, and that is a shame on our culture.

    It freaks them out when you say NO, and some will drop you for doing that.
    Exapmle: I was told in 1993 I had Hep-C. My viral load was 3 million. I refused to treat it as the cure rate was about 18% at the time and the treatments were horrible. I had it checked for the first time just last Oct. and the viral load dropped to 59,000, not even worth worrying about at my age. But when I first learned about it I radically changed my lifestyle in order to give myself the best chance of getting old. Most people don't want to quit drinking, take some high quality supplements etc. they want to continue their lifestyles and hope some pill will cure them instead.

    Guess I was on the soap box again huh? Sorry.
     
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    That is one of the worst crimes enacted by .gov. It ruins creativity and advancement. But then again isn't that what the .gov really wants... control...
     
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    That figure is what my daughter and SIL pay in property tax alone every year.
     
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    Trump didn't 'care' or 'know' about healthcare claims key GOP aide as president learns stinging lesson in failure to repeal Obamacare
    • Republicans in Washington are playing the blame game, with some criticizing President Trump's tactics in trying to get a healthcare repeal passed
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    that is a butt hurt position, I can't blame tramp on that

    does anyone really believe any person, let alone the kenyan, knew what was in the ACA bill????

    would that not prove that these 'aides' have no idea how to accomplish their jobs, which is why they exist anyway?
     
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    On a personal note I honestly believe that Ezekiel Emanuel and certain insurance companies knew what was in the ACA bill. I also believe Emanuel is insane.


    Interesting read:

    An architect of the ACA is trying to influence Trump as GOP works to level the law
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...27c98455440_story.html?utm_term=.e4559d4f37a9
     
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    Bernie is going to step in and win it all now. Once again the disgusting lying republican party screwed the pooch and are going to be schooled by the minority.
    But maybe that's what they wanted all along.

    I would love to ask the so called conservatives in the "freedom caucus" or whateverthefeck they call themselves why they voted to keep funding abortion and obamacare.

    Congressmen who call themselves "conservatives" are consistently the biggest lying POS hypocrites in DC.

    ..EDIT: not taking sides just pointing out the obvious.
     
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    I wanted the ACA to be undone as if it never existed. The Ryancare bill wasn't anywhere near this. If this got through they'd have declared victory and we'd have to live with it "forever". Phase 1 was an ok start though.

    Phase 2 was discretionary and would have been fine while Trump was in power but as soon as the next dem was in office his Sebelius would just flip the switches to socialized medicine again

    Phase 3 -lol that's wimpy offering to pay for today's hamburger next Tuesday

    You guys ok settling?
    Planned parent hood and PbS survives
    Still can't sell across state lines
    Medicare still expanding just not as much and getting black granted
     
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    All I can say if Hillary was in charge it wouldn't be any better. I'm sure she will get the "help" she "needs". [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Fully agree on both. But but buttttt the next republican bill won't do either of the things we the peasant voted for either.
    Write this on your hand: The republicans will put a 110% effort into fucking this issue up until the people who voted for them give up in disgust yet again.
    Once Bernie starts proclaiming "FREE MEDICARE FOR EVERYBODY" the republicans will have lost control of the issue, again, and nobody will give a fuck what any of them have to say. They had their chance and they gave it away.
    They put a big shiny bow on it and handed it right to Bernie.

    Probably all by design.

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    GAME. SET. MATCH

    Bernie has the ball and he's running like a scalded cat!! Look at that fecker go!

    After yet again another perfect handoff the republican party gives away the game!

    Dems Make Strategic Healthcare Plan for 2018 – Sanders Will Lead on “Single-Provider” Proposal…
    Posted on March 26, 2017 by sundance

    Well, don’t say we didn’t predict this reality. The Democrats are smartly not waiting for any recovery efforts by Republicans; and immediately following the failure of President Trump’s healthcare repeal and replacement approach, Senator Bernie Sanders begins putting their ‘single provider’ alternative together.

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    At the least, he knew there was a screwin' over in it.

    That's what I wanted, too.
    ...but the second best thing is to just let it keep chuggin' along. That way when it finally fails (and it will) it's O's and the dems baby 100%.
    ...and the reason I say it will fail is due to more and more insurance companies pulling out of it. If the employee/employer mandates aren't enforced, that'll only speed the process.


    If she were in charge, it'd be waaaay worse. O'care would still be billed as a failure, same as with Trump, but the difference is that right now she'd be trying to sell the full monty. Ie: gov run single payer as the answer.
    Yea, if that woman was POTUS right now, we'd be soooooo f'ed. If all Trump does is get to appoint one maybe two good SC Justices and maybe stems the tide on some of the progressivism that's been eating up DC, I'd call it a win.
     
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    Not sure it's a put together.

    If memory serves, this has been what THEY (the uni-party) were planning all along and had to go through the whole debacle in order to end up here.
     
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