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How to make America great again.

Discussion in 'Topical Discussions (In Depth)' started by FunnyMoney, Dec 25, 2017.



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Is the USA on track to become great again?

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  2. NO

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  1. Krag

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    Bring back labor jobs, trades, etc.. In every county or major town, have the elders do daily classes for free to able bodied people. Free up money to put people to work. Have more 12 step meetings in the evenings for internet and other addictions. Encourage more male/female sustainable relationships. Discourage ruthless legal action against harmless citizens. Pull the corporate personhood, and institute a corporate death penalty for the bad companies that are disloyal to America. Don't expect Trump or the politicians to institute meaningful reforms.
     
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    Glad to see I'm not the only one in this camp.
     
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    Thanks for reminding me of your negative bias towards POTUS Trump.

    Funny thing is, if you could see beyond your disdain for the man, you might see some of the positive.

    So, yes I believe that We can indeed make America great again, and yes, I believe that Trump is already on the wrecking ball.
     
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    There's nothing like all those fierce extremely focused wealthy Jewish and Zionist power brokers to fight for Israel's interests.....
     
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    The problems that we talk about on this forum are literally too big for the people to see.

    Try talking to your average person about how banks control the country and you get a blank stare.

    Most people are on the partisan level and are too stupid to realize that both parties are 2 sides of the same coin.

    Hell, people on this forum still fall into that same trap often.

    People on this forum think trump is fighting for “our side”... no he’s not. He’s fighting for his rich buddies. He doesn’t care about working class Americans. He will do just enough to get your vote.


    How is the nation on the right track when the public schools don’t teach anything meaningful? The FDA allows poison in our food, we live in a police state, are trillions in debt, good paying jobs for low skilled workers are disappearing, lobbyists control the government, the media is biased, we are militarily involved around the earth, allied to Saudi terrorists and so on?
     
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    Every week the boss steals two-thirds of my paycheck. Your solution is to tell the boss to stop providing free snacks and soda during my lunch break?

    The illusion of MAGA is soon to dissolve into the nothing that it was.
     
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    The "war" is not meant to be won - - it's meant to be continuous.

    Way too many military contractors profiting from these laughable "wars" to ever put an end to them.
     
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    More importantly, no more attempts at creating a dynasty family to rule the country.

    The Bush family, the Clinton family...how long until the Obama family takes a run at it?
     
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    I'm always amazed at how gullible people are to fall for the "right vs left" rhetoric. It's a complete joke designed to keep the peasants distracted and fighting amongst themselves.

    Trump's bombastic and unfiltered comments can come off as him being the Everyman but in reality Trump is nothing more than a wealthy elite.

    Anyone expecting Trump to suddenly even the playing field between the wealthy elites and the peasants is living in a dream world.
     
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    I agree, but thinking about your post gave me a dream as well...

    My dream is that all the commanders of soldiers and the soldiers themselves demand to return home to protect the mainland as per duty in the constitution. The homeland is under attack and in decline because of enemies both foreign and domestic. While we don't know their names, there are things we can do at home to defend our nation from this impoverishment and attempts to enslave us...

    After all the forward bases are sold or given back to the nations where they reside, we can start a new industry mining rare and precious metals and creating new mass transit and high speed bullet trains - at least with a goal to have half as many as China does. How come China has so many and we have ZERO?

    That is a dream which would make America Great Again. But today we have TONS of money for WAR but NO money for progress and Trump just wants that to continue, as long as he gets richer overseeing the continued decline of America.


    Those countries (especially like the one you posted the video about) are the playground for war. War is a business. We've started a LOT of wars. While you may think those people in far off places are extensions of families, I can assure you, most of those "extended family members" in those war torn areas want to see Americans dead and they have GOOD REASON to want that, with everything that's been done to them by ... wait for it.... Who is the commander 'n chief, commander 'n chief of?

    Starting another war (you posted the video, didn't you?) is not the solution. America won't become Great again by war, not this time. Trump is falling into the trap or he is part of the con. Either way, this time America falls very far from ever being great again... CONgress will just spread the blame around (Trump will probably get a lot of it) and the media will find some scapegoats. But it does look like finally, this time, when the next big war comes it will be our last. I don't believe the USD will survive to create another. Europe and Asia will take over the war making business. After all, they've always been better at that. War, the business which never ends.

    If Trump wanted to MAGA, he would change the business model, he would recognize that the USD is on a decline and that is not good. He would recognize that gigantic sums of money are spent on war, which can no longer be supported and all it will take is one more war and maybe not even that, just the status quo to completely destroy the middle class. He doesn't recognize that because he wants that. What a shithole.
     
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    However you can build the speed trains. Who is going to pay for it? How much does it cost to use it. Is it affordable or another boon doggle that keeps on increasing and the tax payer is on the hook for it.

    The density of population in China and India much more than America makes it more financially viable. More over remember China the property rights be damned the state could take over without much legal trouble. Try that in California and you are seeing farmers , environmental activists suing to stall the project.

    My only idea is to live within your means for the individual as well as the state.
     
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    That would be a possibility if the majority of US "soldiers" weren't employed by for-profit defence contracting companies.

    You know, companies like the one run by that piece of shit chicken hawk Dick Cheney who was so terrified of serving himself that he deferred FIVE (5) times like a little puss.

    War has become a huge - - and badly corrupt - - business over the past two decades. Unfortunately, most peasants are too stupid to realize the charade and naively cheer on "our boys".
     
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    Very simple.

    Quit funnelling BILLIONS to the military contractors in the name of "war" and spend it on infrastructure in your own country.
     
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    Making American Great Again - The DJT way:

    1.
    Use words in your speech you know will create a controversy.

    2.
    Give a ton of tax rebates to the rich and a few to the rest (select which ones expire appropriately)

    3.
    Pass the buck to CONgress (they are so good at solving problems they're ready to take the lead)

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    Focus on the symptom issues but never go near the root causes.

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    Get people to salute the flag in an "American" way.

    6.
    Get corporate powerhouses to park their money with the banks that the CBs and the elite own, not those other banks which the CBs and elite own.

    7.
    Bring back jobs to America by tweeting how good the unemployment rate is today (forget the participation rate even exists).

    8.
    Sell a lot of arms to our terrorist friends and bolster our nuclear arms programs and the MIC in general.

    9.
    Talk about how smart the POTUS is and how great America is already,
     
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    JFK tried to take them on and so did RFK. They were quickly swept aside.

    Reagan made the growing debt and the forces that wanted more security at the cost of liberty and freedom the enemy and planned to reign them in. He was quickly shot and the agenda changed.

    Now we have Trump, he has his own security detail but he hasn't pointed his fingers at the culprits in front of the American people. He has instead appointed them to positions of power and moved onto minor symptom issues, not really fixing them but instead making them worse, passing the buck to CONgress or declaring victory where there isn't one.

    He has also not told the truth and now the root causes are not even being looked at, they're no longer on the radar ever since the fake audit of the gold.

    The men and women in uniform will need a direct order from their commander to return home and defend the nation from those who created a day where the laws of physics were suspended. He will need to say it pretty much just like that and declare only silver and gold as money. Anything less won't even rock the boat. Otherwise the owners of the PBOC and other CBs will take the rest of our gold, our nation, our liberty and our power away from us. The next POTUS will have only the option of war to get it back. Even that will fail.
     
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    This is why we need #2 and #4. It doesn't automatically get us back everything they've stolen from us, but it does put a major stop to most of their ongoing and future blood sucking.
     
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    The Mexican plan?
    Those things you mentioned don't make America great again and prior to it even being possible to make America great again we need to stop making it worse.
    Those things you mentioned are peanuts compared to the blood and treasure lost in the wars for profit overseas which are based on lies and only serve to protect foreign dictators. Trump wants 700 billion per year for the MIC budget, He wants these wars based on lies to continue.

    I don't see anywhere in Trump's agenda a halt to the overseas wars to protect foreign dictators, a return to honest money or a return to honest systems.

    The name of this forum is "gold is money" and the overwhelming majority of the members here believe the war on drugs and the wars overseas to protect dictators are extremely bad ideas. Trump is not aligned with these beliefs.

    Trump says unemployment is down, but that is propaganda as that number has been a lie for a long time. The unemployment rate doesn't measure unemployment, it measures who has recently lost their job. What the FEDs call the "participation rate" is how the rest of the world counts the unemployment rate and is the number we should be using as well. Trump's tweets about the unemployment rate are meaningless and just more gov't lies.

    Trump says we need more money for the MIC but they already get more money than the rest of the world spends, all nations combined.

    Trump wants to increase the wars overseas which after 2 decades have been a total failure and have cost immense sums of wealth and blood and suffering, which still continues today.

    Trump is cutting diplomacy, which is the ONLY thing that has proven to be effective in those overseas places in turmoil, ever since before the days of Nam.

    Trump wants to increase the war on drugs, another failed war which has no hope of success and causes many times more problems than it could ever solve.

    Trump says the economy is great. But the numbers are actually less today in terms of GDP than in 2 recent quarters under the last administration and only very slightly up from when he took office.

    Trump said he would lower the trade deficits, but they are actually increasing.

    Trump says he's making America great again, but the deficits are EXPLODING as we speak, and are going to cost Americans a lot more as interest rates go up.

    The dollar has been on a downtrend over his entire term and that will cause inflation, inflation in things like food and energy which are hidden from the principal inflation numbers provided by the gov't.

    "Make America Great Again" was Trump's slogan, but we are still going in EXACTLY the OPPOSITE direction.

    As we used to say all the time at GIM1: "Watch what they do, not what they say."
     
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    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    Good point Muj, but remember, the crumbs that fall down to us, will make one helluva cake !!
     
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    And then Trump Almighty will take that cake and a couple of fish and feed the entire country?
     
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    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    NO !! Then we can use that cake, made from crumbs, & create businesses, jobs, independence of sorts, to get the ball rolling again.
    Remember "they" need "us" to provide the wealth that they extract from us. It is up to us to figure out how to keep as much as we can for ourselves ! Survival at it's best !!!
     
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    We heard this is the days of Reagan as well. But for the last 40+ years the real wages of Americans has declined. The real unemployment rate today is about 20%. The true inflation rate is over 6% and the middle class continues to decline in numbers and wealth.
     
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    Went from a manufacturing economy where men would take their lunch pail to the factory to build things everyday to a service economy where pansexual snowflakes prepare lattes and gamble on invisible shitcoins.
     
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    Opportunities are fewer and fewer between except for the top few percent and their "executive intelligence" (oxymoron) planning. And there will be less jobs in the future as automation and AI keeps increasing. More people will be sitting in front of computers or milling around looking for stuff to do.

    A lot of dystopias apply like "Waterworld" where promises are made by the guy with a patch over one eye, and of course the people have no choice, they are captives!

    Trump is everything bad his running mates said about him and has a few positive aspects that have little positive significance in the long run. He will be gone and Pence will be nervous not to upset the power masters.
     
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    Meanwhile, the clueless apologists here continue to insist the US economy is soaring and employment is booming.
     
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    There are concrete solutions that will rebuild the infrastructure, but the politicians and plutocrats don't really want them.
     
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    You would also think after talking of rescinding daca day one then pushing amnesty to the front of the line a slap in the face to voters and regular Joe's that hope and change votes could see the blatant lies.

    No the sell out propaganda continues and the fans just double down on delusions.

    America was never great on fiat.

    A great sales pitch but total bs.
     
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    The last drilling rig I delivered too didn't have an English speaking hand on it besides the company man w ho called to complain about my beard.

    Big oil loves daca and illegals.

    So does the president as he hasn't ordered troops to the porous border nor started mass deportations.

    Another sellout.

    The number one job a president has is to secure the nation.

    The dem v Republican dog chasing it's tale and the country slips further.

    The party politicians care only about themselves and fools play along and buy ever scandal by the complicit media.
     
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    Hmmm, something that we agree on.
    Real inflation is hard to determine, due to lies & hidden data. I think it could be close to 8-10%.
    Food & housing are continuing to increase at a high rate.
     
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    I'm not sure how we'll ever be able to make America great again if we see the status quo as moving in a positive, or even a very slightly positive direction.

    Most Americans think we recovered a bit from the '08 crisis and they believe we had been doing ok in the years before that as well.

    The first thing to do to solve a problem is to ADMIT there is a problem...

    The 14 year decline is not even recognized!

    http://goldismoney2.com/threads/usa-in-recession-since-2004.173408/
     
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    To MAGA , we must first admit the truth. We must admit that we are in a terrible problem here. We must admit that small changes and "deal making" doesn't work this time. What is Trump's opinion of the day when the laws of physics were suspended? What does he think about the current economy? Which inflation numbers and what kind of unemployment numbers does he use and tweet about?

    The "Art of the Deal" is not how we get to MAGA. Rocking the boat even more overseas does not bring MAGA. An honest accounting of our gold is a first step on the road to MAGA. People need to be aware of our true situation if we're going to be ever able to improve it.

    How are we going to improve things when we're never ever told the truth about the position we're currently in?

    If Trump doesn't start telling the American people the truth, if he doesn't start telling the truth, MAGA is never going to happen under his watch and time to turn this ship around is running out.
     
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    Hell the Trump tards can't even admit he sold out if not totally just wait.

    The American people want hope in change via voting.
    It's not going to happen.

    Change your money change your law.
    Hence the dual monetary system.
    Paper or metallic.
    Gold and silver minted by the constitutional provision or fiat decreed by traitors?
    Ron Paul the candidate conservatives in the media trashed was responsible for getting that option back.
    America's choice.

    It doubles down with a Yankee Democrat who could make US NOTES but doesn't want to save taxpayers billions in interest payments to the unconstitutional fed.
    His supporters conveniently overlook this fact. Some forms even ban you for not kissing dear leaders ass.





    Having a socialist insecurity number and voting conservative is counter productive.

    I have posted videos here before of a man who lays it all out on how to take the country back and I know Americans like socialist insecurity and benefits and illegals driving down living standards as long as profits continue.

    Really there is no saving it as the people don't really care to.

    Voting at this point is useless and degrading especially if you grasp registration.
    Read Errant Sovereigns Handbook for the real scoop.

    No one in honest media will tell you that even if they did America doesn't really care.

    To start now is a sad joke to the working class who's wages haven't risen since the 70s.

    Enough snowflaking back to more bullshit.
     
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    A possible plan for TPTB, from searcher.....


    Time is running out, everyone must do business with honest money to prevent the arrival of tyranny. But impossible to do that today because of Gresham's law.

    Fiat money and the CBs must be removed as so many politicians and revolutions have told us throughout history. But the global system and control over it we see today makes this near impossible to do.

    It requires a POTUS of courage telling the world the truth.
     
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    Big brass balls.
     
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    I thought guys on a rig were tough. WTH is with up with that?
     
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    Best part was going the next day without shaving and asking do want the load or you want me to take it back.
    Pissed him off enough to whine.
    I still laugh at his expression.
    Priceless.
     
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    We have a forum member who uses this video's title as his screen name (handle I think it is called).
    But his posts seem to be always against the left. Wasn't this POTUS from the left party? Is the revolution confused? Is left vs. right the fighting point?

    It doesn't seem like that would be the message coming out of this video.





    I thought it was Trump who had balls?
     
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    Trump saw what happened to Jack. He isn't stoopid. Donald Trump has more balls than any politician in Washington.

    One way America is going to be great is for it's citizens to take personal responsibility. Fiat rules the world now. People can break the debt zombie pattern.
     
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    We can MAGA by not attacking Syria and arming their rebels.

    My tax dollars need to be spent on Americans, not Israelis.
     
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