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  1. Toxa

    Toxa Seeker Seeker

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    How would you guys go about fixing this mess? I have a shovel and a wheelbarrow, what the best way to go about repairing my yard?

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  2. spinalcracker

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    You will need a shovel , a rake , some top soil , and some grass seed.
    Think of it as spreading peanut butter on bread and sprinkling poppy seeds on it.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing. I don't think that I could "fix" it, so I would fill in the ruts and plant new seed. If you had to fix it quickly, maybe you could buy some sod and do some cutting and fitting.
     
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    Looks like three or four truckloads of pitrun gravel and you'd have yourself a nice access driveway thru that swamp there to your new storage shed.

    but that's just me...

    BF
     
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  5. Toxa

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    I can't make up my mind on what I want, gravel or back to grass?

    Bottom feeder you called it man, that side stays swampy.
     
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    When I was a kid I remember my dad using a Roller. An overgrown barrel half filled with water, both ends attached to a pulling bar:
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    OR If ya got a lawn tractor:
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    Smooth it out as mush as possible then do what S.E. or BF said.

    Either one should be RENTABLE .

    Just my two cents.
     
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  7. spinalcracker

    spinalcracker On a mail train. Silver Miner Site Supporter

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    image.jpg image.jpg Toxa , what's your budget?
    If you have some trading gold laying around , I will bring a crew over there and we will remove the asphalt driveway and re-pour decorative stamped colored concrete all the way to the new barn.
    In exchange for gold.
     
  8. Scorpio

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    Tox,

    To me that is just soil compaction. The only way to fix it long term is to rent a roto tiller, grind it all out, then level it again.

    I have tried patching ruts and it just never seems to work out.

    JMO for sure, as I don't know squat about landscaping
     
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    That's the only way to do it right, unless you want to pay someone to bring in a load of gravel and then pave a drive to the shed. Of course, if you don't want to rent or buy a tiller, you could use the shovel, dig it all up and then rake it out, reseed it. A roller might take out small ruts, but you have major problem with those ruts.
     
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    Fill the ruts with a sandy dirt, level and compact with a roller of something similar and overseed.
     
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    Id dig until i hit water then build a shed bridge.
     
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    I just leave them and they kinda/sorta even out after the life span of the yard.
     
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    Dirt got compacted, un-compact it.

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    Hmmm, not using a cement pad? Maybe the shed placement does not look final yet?

    Some thoughts . . .

    Some kits do not come with a treated wood base, they come with pressure treated skids which may not be enough to keep wood rot in check, especially if you are not placing the shed on a cement pad.

    When I stick-built (not kit) my shed for Michigan weather I used treated 2x10 framed base (floor joists with 16” centers), placed on a concrete pad. This shed should last forever as long as I paint it once in a while.


    Best - Treated framed base on concrete pad
    Better - Treated framed base on gravel
    Good - Treated framed base on ground
    Okay - Untreated base with treated skids on concrete pad
    /
    other variations not as good
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    Worst - of course untreated wood on ground​


    Not as good a concrete pad but a possible okay substitute pad could be large pavers on gravel.
     
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    really needs to dry out before you fix it....looks like he cut ruts loaded and unloaded...messing with mud just gets you more mud....dry i would just hire someone with a tractor to grade it out and reseed it


    if you decide to put in gravel your base layer needs to be a MINIMUM size of 1.5"clean or a geotek fabric under your gravel

    ^^see crocketts post above ...you will need to level and support the building somehow and in that kind of soil just a couple of runners with leveling blocks under them is not going to cut it.
     
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    You have to decide... Do you want a building that you can only walk to or do you want to build a gravel drive to it? Personally, I don't like to carry heavy stuff to my outbuilding so I back the truck right up to it and load/unload it.
     
  17. Toxa

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    Probably will call around and get a quote. Definitely will have to dry out some. But forcast is nothing but rain for a while. Also thanks for recommendations on getting a tiller and a roller. That's definitely an option. Not sure on the gravel yet. Have to think on it.
    Spinal cracker that looks great man. But that kinda of drive way is out of reach for me brother.
     
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    Hey Tox,

    If it is going to keep on raining, you might be able to use a potato fork like 'Fools' put a pic up,

    Try to lift those areas up and then rake it and let the rain do the rest for now,

    See how it comes out then patch and roll it after it dries out.

    As ttaz stated, mud begets mud
     
  19. Lt Dan

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    I use one of those a lot around the garden work. That one has too short of a handle though. I found one with a longer handle, not full but not short. Works better for someone taller. However, like others have said, ya gotta let that dry out some before you can do anything to fix it.

    I have a building something like that, it was dry when it was delivered, I put in a crushed stone path to mine. I use the building as a wood shop. I can back the truck up near it to unload lumber or ply-board. If it is wet a lot you may find it necessary to do something, like gravel, cement, or blacktop, just for walking out to it.
     
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    Unh, you anywhere close to me, cracker?

    BF
     
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    Eastern Colorado out on the high plains.
    Sometimes up in the mountains not far from Cripple Creek. image.jpg image.jpg
     
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    Oh Colorado, beautiful country. And Cripple Creek?



    BF
     
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    I bet it is tough keeping a train on those tracks. :2 thumbs up:
     
  24. spinalcracker

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    No one can sneak up on me out here on the prairie.
    And looking down Main Street not so crowded this evening.
    And a huge Mother Lode strike in Squaw Valley just outside of CC.
     
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    Why only that one side? Sounds like a drainage issue.

    Is there a ditch along your road or anywhere else you could run a French drain to so that side can dry out, thereby becoming more usable to you?
     
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    Get a big 4wd truck and drive all around the rest of the yard so it all looks the same !
     
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    What's the sales contract say? Does it say delivery and set up? Either way I'd be in the delivery service's face. They did that they fix that. Small claims court is fun.
     
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    mtnman has a point. Take more photos and IF you paid for delivery and set-up. I'd go talk to the department manager and if no satisfaction there see the store manager. Get the Regional Manager's name if it's a big box store brand.

    FYI, Some states the State Attorney General's office have an Ombudsman Division. If your does, and you get no satisfaction from the store. File a complaint via that office.
    It consists of filling out a form and if asked send the photographs.

    Even the big boy box store DO NOT like seeing letters with a state logo in the letterhead.
     
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    A few years ago I had the same issue with a shed delivered in the wet season. I ended up adding a bit of soil / sand and rototilling, then reseeding. No big deal.
     
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    You may have a point if the shed was dropped off while the Toxa was away. But if as I suspect Toxa was there to direct traffic, there is no sense in clogging the courts with this. After the rear wheels were 2 feet off of the hard surface, a bit of simple pattern recognition would have predicted the outcome. The courts are already clogged with frivolity.

    First thing I would do is step down the high spots while the ground is still mushy. In a few days it will look much better and give a better handle on how much fine tuning / filling is needed after it's dried up.
     
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    Use the potato fork to aerate the ruts. Hydrology pressure will raise the ruts then rake it level... in time it will naturally smooth out. A small tractor with a box blade will also do the trick.
     
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    In the ruts where you can peel back the grass fill those with a mix of soil and sand and replace grass.
    Here in Florida white sand with quartz works to fill and build up the grass. Also, it allows the water to drain better.
    In the ruts where the grass is over compacted just fill with soil/sand and cover with new sod or plugs.
    Then place a new sign at the edge of driveway.

    Tinygrass.jpg just-say-no-ruts.jpg
     
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    Guys thanks for all the help! I'm gona haul some gravel in and start keeping my ranger in front of the shed. I'll post pictures as I get it done.
     
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    [QUOTE="Toxa, post: 1186084, member: 587"I'm gona haul some gravel in [/QUOTE]

    Looks like a plan. Be sure to truck in enough to build it up about 8 to 12 inches. Maybe lay down some larger stuff for a base.

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    Hauled a three ton load on friend's borrowed trailer/truck. Hot dang that's a lot of shoveling. Probably will be bring in four more loads or so.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Lookin' Good Toxa.

    How about a distant photo like the first photo in #1 ?
     
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    Good work, Tox. Looks like you're on the way. Are you going to lay down any type of pad (gravel or concrete) for the shed?

    BF
     
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    some ole contractor wisdom....looks like your using 1/2-3/4 gravel....it will work fine to grade out and for foot traffic smaller sizes are much easier to handle ............for vehicle traffic in mushy stuff the bottom layer will have to be a minimum of 1-1/2 size and yes its a pain to shovel and grade but its about the smallest size that will firm up soft ground
     
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    [​IMG]
    Here is what it looks like now. Done with gravel for now, if I want to extend it out in the future it shouldn't be that much trouble. Will be tilling up, racking up, seeding the tore up part. Again, will update after its done.
    And its nice to have good neighbors! Would have been a lot more expansive/more time consuming with out good people around.
     
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