Discussion in 'PM's - Coins - Numis - Base Metals' started by Irons, Jan 22, 2012.
~ GOLD #28 & 29 2013 ~
Got out to the point today, love it when the docks are out and I can finally wander.
I don't usually find jewelry around these private cottages, pockets of old coins and clad but today was different!
Got some new gloves and I'm loving them! They are elbow length 5 mil neoprene duck hunting gloves, warm and waterproof. Perfect for when I don't plan on going out too deep when it's cold.
Got a small silver wedding ring before I even got to the water. Good sign!
Went on to get 2 nice Gold rings and a bunch of clad.
Thanks for looking folks and Good Hunting!! :grin:
Holy smoke! I could look for years and never come up with that and you do it in a day! :s9: You were born under a lucky star. :thumbs_up:
Thanks! :s9: I won't go into all the things I have tried and not been too good at, I'm just thankful I found this and I am good at it! :thumbs_up: :cheerful:
That's alright. You wife has already told us about those things...... :36_2_36:
Just kidding! :cheerful:
Hey. You know what they say about sex? It's a lot like golf and playing guitar. You don't have to be very good at it to still have a really great time. :beerglass:
I love rubbing the Minelab crowd's face in it! :bear_kiss: :devil1:
Ever wonder how I pick my places to hunt? How I find all the old, old coins and jewelry?
I spend hours and hours scanning archives so I guess winter is good for something. : 18 Gold, 1 platinum and I lost count how many silver rings and dozens of silver coins, indians, V, Shield and Buffalo nickels and I'm no where near done here.
Now you know. Stay Salty! :
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How generous of you to give up your trade secrets. :cool1:
The pirates soul has been captured in this form of a human. Every place I see, I think of what's in the ground. I no longer look at pieces of land without wondering what lies in wait to be brought to the surface again. Loose change fallen. Jewelry lost.
It's not just the metals. I also wonder about the inhabitants. How they lived. What they had done for survival and entertainment.
Ideally, if I had the resources, I would like to research and purchase properties long forgotten. Older houses that could contain stashes in the walls or basement. Man, I need help. :vollkommenauf:
~ GOLD #30 & 31 2013 ~
Finally nailed some Gold for November! : I have been hunting hard and just finding silver up to today.
Gorgeous little 10k Signet and a unmarked 14k rotted out cameo ring. I think it's cameo I'm not sure I have found silver rings with the stone part rotted out like that so it's not some kind of glass. Ring itself is very old it tested 14k with no problem.
That's my 6th Gold signet, I'm a lucky dog. :
I would like to thank everybody once again for following along here, even Smooth and Mr Misty who would probably like to punch me in the mouth. :bear_kiss:
32 very valuable rings in one season is a milestone I'll probably never hit again although I'll try like hell every year!
Good hunting out there peeps!
Congrats Bro. You've earned your gold this year! Who knows, maybe all that research and hard work will pay off even more next year.
Those look old!? :23_28_100s:
Oh dear. Oh, damn.
Herself Has Spoken:
"Why don't you save the money from your book sales until you get enough to buy that AT Pro thing."
Me: "Are you serious? I can't kneel down with my exploded knee."
Herself: "That guy up in the Far North seems to have a 'stand up' system. You could do the same."
Herself: "And unlike him, you KNOW where there is a sunken treasure ship right nearby." (This happens to be true.) "And that way, you can take me to the beach a LOT more often."
Irons: Can you gimme a good descriptive pic or three of your scooper?
Found this one by accident 30 years ago scuba diving...
This one is one of two known**... it was found (not by me, I wuz just holding it) about 20 minutes away from where I sit here at home. Worth $50,000. It is a pristine "star coin" piece of eight.
**The other one is in a museum.
HEY FOLKS!!! BUY MY FARGIN BOOKS, WILLYA?! :s13:
http://www.amazon.com/kindle-store/dp/B004E10YOI <-- Bat and Balloon War
http://www.amazon.com/Cadet-Adventu...d=1370636953&sr=1-2&keywords=walt+c.+snedeker <-- The Cadet
http://www.amazon.com/Faerie-Diamon...d=1370636953&sr=1-4&keywords=walt+c.+snedeker <-- Faerie Diamonds
Hi Unca! :s9:
OK, first off if you are going into the water or wet sand a AT Pro isn't going to cut it for you. Up here in the Great unsalted Lakes the AT is a God IMO.
You need a machine that can penetrate the salt and minerals. If I was going into salt water I would get a Fisher CZ 21. Excaliburs are popular but they are no longer made worth a crap. Minelabs are made in indonesia with junk materials now days.
If you stay in the dry sand a AT Pro would work fine, but what fun is that? The treasure is in the water where 90% of the treasure hunters can't get to it.
My scoop is a Stealth classic, strong like bull! You can get cheaper aluminum scoops but you will just break them. I bought a knockoff stealth copy and broke it in 2 weeks.
Chuck sells treated wood handles for his scoops but I like long scoop handles to reach out into deeper water, down into holes and most importantly under docks. I use 5 foot long fiberglass posthole digger handles, these ain't going to break. They come in pairs but what the hell I have 2 scoops.
Be sure to read and ask questions before you buy anything, these folks are very kind and helpful.
My scoop set up: arty30: :
Now, hold on just a minute. I'm confused. Not that hard to do since I was repeatedly dropped on my head as a baby, but that's no reason to try to take advantage of me. I follow these metal detecting threads closely (trying to learn a thing or two from Irons) and, in this thread,http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?55948-Utter-TOTAL-MD-Porn&p=641500#post641500 it sounds like you are recommending the Garrett AT Pro because it can "swim".
"That is the video that changed my life Unca. I was torn between the Garrett AT Pro and the Fisher F7. That video gave me the final push to go with the amphibious machine and I couldn't be happier. The F7 is a fine machine, but it can't swim. And the Gold is in the water."
I, too, would like a machine that I can take in the water. Not underwater, but let's say waist deep or so fresh water. How about some clarification for those of us less technically challenged.
BTW, thank you for the information on the scoop. I've coveted your scoop for some time now. :thumbs_up:
All machines have waterproof coils and wires but cannot have their control boxes dunked or soaked. Also water machines have drain holes built into the stems so the rods don't hold water. Many a land machine has died from water in the shaft rolling into the box even if the machine was never dropped in the water.
The Fisher F7 is a fantastic land machine, dunk it and it's dead. :vollkommenauf:
The machine you have now is waterproof up to the box just don't drop or splash it a good one.
The Garrett AT Pro and AT Gold are fantastic land machines that can also go into fresh water up to 10 feet deep.
Now to further confuse you with metal detector trivia:
The key words are salt water.
The Fisher CZ 21, Minelab Excalibur, Garrett Sea Hunter and a few others are pulse induction machines designed to penetrate salt water mineral soaked dirt and sand. A few are scuba machines rated for 200 feet deep.
Now it gets interesting. Hang tight. There are huge differences in salt rated machines and you want the right kind.
Straight pulse induction machines tell you there is metal under the coil but not what kind. A Gold ring and a rusty nail will sound the same.
The Sea Hunter, Tesoro sand shark, Garrett Infinium and many others are like this.
Now, multi frequency pulse induction machines will penetrate the salt and also tell you what kind of metal is under the coil.
The legendary Excalibur did this first I believe and did it better than any other until now where workmanship and customer support has gone to hell.
The Fisher CZ 20 and CZ 21 does everything the Excalibur does except break down once a week. The Fisher is as rugged as it is ugly.
Whites has a strong following for their multi frequency water machines too but I don't know their model names.
Clear as mud? Good! :cheerful:
Thank you for the clarification, brother Irons. :thumbs_up:
"The Fisher CZ 20 and CZ 21 does everything the Excalibur does except break down once a week." That's funny right there. :cheerful:
One last question - Are you saying that I can go wading with my Minelab X-Terra 705? And maybe put a bag over the control box somehow to protect it from an inadvertent splash?
Sure you can, I have heard nothing but good from 705 users but they say the learning curve is rough at first. Once mastered it's a beast.
There is no reason you should be digging up iron with that thing unless you want to.
Coil 9″ Concentric – 7.5 kHz, waterproof
Water remaining in the shaft would be my biggest worry because you could rig up a sling that would keep it from being dropped.
Best advice I can give you is call Bart and get the small DD coil. Once you master the DD you can switch back to the bigger concentric at times when you are in places with less trash where you want to cover more ground.
I have one machine rigged with a 5x8 DD and one with the 8.5x11 DD and switch machines depending on where I am. Sometimes target separation is much more important than an extra inch or 2 of depth.
<< makes his way humbly to the feet of the Great One >>
Oh, deary dear, Master Irons... the ante just went way the hell up! :afraid: I did a fair search, and with the auxiliary stuff, I'm gettin' to about $1300.
Thass dubble of whut I gotta save for a loooong time to get the AT Pro. Worst part is: I totally agree with you as to where the goodies are: IN the fargin water. This means I gots to get a CZ-21. Jeez.
THERE'S BOOK SALE GOIN' ON!! :s13:
Thanks Unca but there are ways of making things happen for cheap. I figure I have $1100 into my water hunting equipment and I paid for it easily my first year stumbling along learning as I went. I had nobody to ask, I'm the only fool I know who does this!
Many folks buy metal detectors and decide treasure hunting is way too much work. Craigslist and ebay can save you hundreds on a barely used machine that will serve you well.
I don't know where in FL you are but in less than 5 minutes I found a Whites dual field in Delray for $625 with 2 years of warranty left on it.
Here is a CZ-21 all set up and with a chest mount and spare coil. The guy did all of the trial and error for you. Get him to throw in his treasure pouch too.
The biggest key is buying a solid machine and then thoroughly learning how to use it. Have faith in your equipment and your decision to go with that particular machine. It isn't the machine as much as it is the person operating it.
I see over and over in the forums where people believe that if they spend $2500 on a machine that they will find more Gold than the guy with a $600 machine. That just isn't true.
You may be able to rent different beach machines in your area before you buy, a luxury I sure didn't have here.
Speaking of books if you are even thinking of going beach hunting you need this book ~ http://www.amazon.com/Gold-Beneath-Waves-Treasure-Hunting/dp/0984889108
I read it like a serious golfer takes lessons which means often. When I get in a rut it shows me what I started doing wrong and breaks me out of the bad habit I picked up.
All the best and we expect to see your progress posted right here! No actually we demand it! :shakehands: :s9:
One more thing brother Cisco and don't let this get out. The vast majority of valuable rings are lost by women, and they are lost in what I call the mommy line which is from calf to mid thigh deep.
They go out far enough to dunk their cookie and pee, and they play with their kids in knee deep water.
If I only have a short amount of time to hunt I zig zag the mommy line and circle any hits.
Words of wisdom right there. :thumbs_up: Now I know what I want engraved on my tombstone. :cheerful:
What a mass of great information!!:bowdown::thumbs_up:
I JUST ORDERED THIS SUCKA:
GAAAAH! Fargin brace hit the fargin caps lock. I haveta 1-fingle peck.
Awright... I downloaded a .pdf User Manual for the Fisher cz21.
Sent the ebay seller a note:
1. Is there any warranty still in effect?
2. Does he include the goodie bag?
I got to rootin' around in some stuff. Shore 'nuff, I still have the scoop I useta use for finding fossil shark teeth (west coast of Floriduh has a town called Venice). We'd fly in (Wifelet & I) and find pounds of them then fly home (this, you may gather, was when I had considerably more loose change).
Looks like it'll work... Stainless, about 30 years old -- looks new. :s9:
For a metal detector.
Herself tole me: "DO it. It'll be your birthday/Father's Day/Christmas present."
Whut is special about this gadget is that not only does it go underwater, but under SALT water. Ornery MD's don't do either. (Thanks to Master Irons fer that info.)
If sumbody bids a even just a buck higher, they got it.
I HOPE this is a good price -- 'cuz they retail about another $500 without the underwater earphones and the extra (factory installed) large coil and a coupla other goodies.
We'll see: 7 hours to go, and I am the only bidder so far...
I axed the guy about a goodie bag... nope.
He answered: "This detector was at the factory a year ago when the 10 inch coil was put on and it was totally re-furbished then. I'm not including a goodie bag, however I am supplying the buyer with an extra battery seal and ear covers (not shown in the photograph). The harnass is also custom made to fit this machine which is included."
EDIT: You can use a $2 nail apron from a hardware store for a pouch. Trash on one side goodies on the other and Gold hidden in your pocket.
ALWAYS HIDE FOUND GOLD NEVER LET ANYBODY SEE IT!!!
I see you are well on your way to madness Unca! Seriously you will love the challenge and the rewards. :grin10:
The fresh air and scenery ain't bad either.
The book is fantastic and like I said it's not optional.
Jim wrote that book about Myrtle Beach but what he teaches us is how to read the beach and what parts of the beach to hunt and when. The folks who just blunder into any beach and walk around listening to sand are the ones who sell their machines and head back to the couch.
We don't have tides in the Great unsalted Lakes but we sure as shlt have sand moving in and out and changing conditions on a daily and weekly basis.
When you get your machine make a test garden in your yard so you know what things are going to sound like before you find them. Put all the coins out there, zinc and copper pennies sound different. Silver and clad quarters sound different.
Get a few rusty nails and pop and old ring style pull tabs and learn how they sound, big screw top and newer twist off bottle caps sound different. The big screw on caps are usually indistinguishable from coins. Also pieces of foil and little balls of foil.
You will learn there is nothing more evil in the world than a Rollo candy wrapper. :haha:
Lemme see, oh yeah bobbie pins! You will want to learn the double beep of a bobbie pin there are millions on 'em out there.
Lastly get some gold and silver rings and listen to them too. You will quickly see why you never pass on scooping up a pull tab they sound just like Gold.
Silver is almost always a high tone, Gold is almost always a mid tone. Key word is almost. Big gold rings with a high copper content can sound like a penny. Platinum and small gold can sound like a small ball of foil.
Put a big piece of rusty iron out there too so you learn the machine's overload sound. I think it's a bell tone on the Fisher.
Damn now I'm excited too!!! This is great!!!! :grin10:
Damned if I didn't find another chunk of Gold! :s9: Today, dodging icebergs!! :s9: Pics when I thaw out a bit!! :cheerful:
~ GOLD #32 2013 ~
Got over to a local lake today, heck it was almost 40 degrees without wind so it was like summer man. :s9:
The small shallow lakes are frozen over already but the deep ones are still open water.
Once the docks are out for the winter I can wander around at will. The little gold filled ring had me going for a minute then I nailed the big fat old 14k bullion band! Dang that was a nice surprise! Big ugly silver band too.
Here's to water hunting in December! :thumbs_up: :cheerful:
Great finds as usual brother Irons!
BTW, what do Zebra Mussels and Asian Clams go for these days per troy ounce? :
I wondered what those clams were, another damn invasive species. The frickin zebras are everywhere.
Pus-lickin' fartbubble ratta basset! Hope he fvcks a diseased hobbit.
LAST FARGIN MINNIT... spiker outbid me.
May all his children have violent squints, and may he suffer from interminable explosive diahhrea. :realmad::realmad:
You'll get one now that you're looking. In our next lesson I'll teach you how to lie like a rug.
How to be polite and still tell folks not a flippin' thing. Standard answers that answer nothing.
It's a skill you will need on the beaches. :cheerful:
"MD'ing is as MD'ing does, Sergeant."
Apparently it comes in handy in Washington as well. :realmad:
Good Asian clams can be quite pricey. Best to spring for the better ones lest you get something you didn't bargain for. :afraid:
Most of you know by now I am truly crazy and will go water hunting in any weather. :cheerful:
Keeping your hands warm or even less than totally painfully frozen is a bitch. Toss in some breeze and it's about impossible.
That pisses me off because after years of snowmobiling and winter steelhead fishing in rivers I know how to stay warm in ridiculous temperatures.
But the constant dipping your gloves in the water is a dilemma. So now I'm going to try these! :s9:
They got good reviews and seem to be the most durable available and running 3 AA Eneloops each they have plenty of power.
It's 18 degrees out right now I may give them a test today!
Will your outer gloves fit over them?
And...you got bigger cajones than me for going out in 18 degree weather AND in the water.
My goodness Unca Walt. I hope you don't kiss Herself with that same mouth. Jeesh. :bear_blink:
That looked like quite a unit. Better luck next time. :bear_smile:
Yeah my shoulder length trapper gloves fit right over them fine. It was too goddam cold out there to really test them today.
I had to break through about 15 yards of ice to get to open water and the wind chill was so bad everything froze as soon as it got splashed.
Oh well I had to try one more time, that lake will be frozen over by tomorrow. The glove liners seem to be heating but it was just too cold. :hmpf:
I'm sitting here sorting wheat pennies, taking out the ones that are worth a buck or so. :cheerful:
I think Ish said it was only 150 more days until Spring.
32 for one year is quite commendable in itself. thanks again for all the input Irons. You rock, man. :cool1:
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