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Is The Technician Shortage Becoming A Catastrophe?

Discussion in 'Job Listings-Requests-Discussions' started by searcher, Mar 1, 2016.



  1. searcher

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    Some of the jihadis should have went to vocational school instead of bomb vest making school.
     
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    It is out of control

    I've gone to hiring engineers willing to work ad technicians for the first two years, and pairing them with hard workers willing to learn advance but without formal training

    It's 60k for what was a $20/hr position
     
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    if only we had a more qualified workforce ... the answer will be to import people from Dumfukistan on a special new visa program. This story is already well sold.

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    I remember my days as an engineer, fun as heck (I'm an architect now). I would have considered working with technicians a great opportunity to teach. Yeah, engineers command more money but you must realize it's worth the investment considering the alternative
     
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    $20 hr...... heck that's only $5 over the min wage. What do you expect. When I became a journeyman Tool & Die Maker I was making 4.3 times min wage and going down hill ever sense.
     
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    Flipping burgers for 15 bucks an hour astounds me. That's supposed to be a part time job for kids and students.
     
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    I wasn't talking about journeyman or someone with the tool and die maker skillset. I was talking about entry level Engineering Technicians. Guys that are mechanically inclined but didn't get their Engineering degree so they work in conjunction with and under the direction of an Engineer. Tech's will make $65 to 75k within 4-5 years considering OT and bonus.

    It's been 30 years since I had plant with a proper machine shop. I mean back before CNC when manual lathes and mills where the tools of the day. No 3D models, just napkins and blueprints that were actually blue from the printing process.

    Model shop guys (what we called the tool and die caliber people) were making $18-$20 back then.

    Now, a kid with a computer draws it and the 3D printer or machining center spits it out. It's a damn shame the art and skill and requirement to feel the part being created is a dying requirement
     
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    Plenty of diesel mechanics out of work in WV.
     
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    I can surely see the oncoming train,

    The constant beating the drum about college, even free college,
    The destruction of the middle class,
    The telling our young that these jobs are rough and require working hard,
    etc.

    The discussion needs to change that the trades, all of them, can put you in a position to do well.
     
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    "The discussion needs to change that the trades, all of them, can put you in a position to do well."

    Maybe slightly better than a falling average that is sinking like a rock. Maybe if you are a self employed plumber with low overhead. But with the burden of school costs, tool costs, responsibility & now that their is a shortage they want you to live there 12 hrs a day 6-7 days a week, and like my last job did not pay double time for Sundays. That is simply a way for them to not have any motivation to improve.
     
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    One thing I noticed after the 2008 collapse (you know - the one where GW rewarded liars, crooks & thieves with bonuses paid for by the American taxpayer) is that a lot of businesses used that as an excuse to lower wages and benefits - even when it wasn't necessary to survive & thrive. In most cases it was done for greed.

    I knew several very knowledgeable guys who were laid off and when they went on job interviews they were offered chump change money (and bennies) compared to what they used to make. Some chose to go into other fields and some retired. Kinda sad when you realize the knowledge they could have passed on. They simply were not going to sell themselves short.

    And now businesses and their brought and paid for politicians want to legalize a bunch of illegals and import a bunch of camel jockeys to take the jobs "Americans don't want to do."

    Another thing ..................

    When ever I hear a business / company saying they "can't find qualified Americans" I always ask do you provide on the job training? Do you have an apprenticeship program? The answers are usually an insult to the intelligence of any thinking person.
     
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    "you realize the knowledge they could have passed on"

    Go ahead give it a try. Last time I tried to explain a mistake that was made to an apprentice he turned and walked away. When I was younger I would have blown a gasket. Now I walked over the the boss & told him I won't work with or teach him anything. Keep him away from me. A few weeks later I was working on a large die job. The boss came over the lend a hand & got said apprentice involved. When he was asked to hand us something he said "pleeeeezzzzzeeeee" like we were at the dinner table passing the beans. It pissed the boss off & he told him point blank " if you were any good and paying attention you would have seen what we needed and already had it ready". He was pissed off, boss & I just smiled. They don't believe we had to get coffee or move guys tool boxes from one end of the shop to the other "and you had not better scratch it" or clean up after a journeyman. They are all knowing like 13 year old girls.
     
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    Never experienced that.
     
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    As far as mechanics,
    Maybe...
    But I spend a lot of time talking to young techs, 30 & under, that haven't seen that kind of pay.
    At the dealership, on book rate & sorry nothing came in today... (but you have to stay in case it does)
    Or an hourly guy that started at $15 & was at $18 after 3 years.
    And as far as debt, most owe their soul to the Snap-On truck.
     
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    This is exactly the problem I have with the production applicants. If anything I, reverse discriminate because I'd rather have the old guy that learned the value and honor of his contribution.

    The kids think they are owed a job and think that it's not worth their time to start below $20/hour. They have no experience, minimal interpersonal skills, poor work ethic etc. etc. it's much easier to get a 50 year old guy whose experienced the economy and understands the value of working for a company that will treat him right if he pulls his weight.
     
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    So true, don't have a pot to piss in, but sure as hell can rack up the bills with the snap boyz, all while telling you what you are doing wrong........

    then wonder why their wife is so mad at them that there is no food on the table or shoes on the kid,

    funny as heck,
     
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    Lotta ways to buy tools with out putting a tool truck guy's kids through college.
     
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    The Labor Shortage
    ETCG1



    Published on Aug 7, 2017
    I went to pick up parts at my fabricator and ended up having a long conversation about how difficult it is to find and retain workers for his shop. I figured the labor shortage would be a good topic for an ETCG1 video. Now we have something to talk about.

    Related stuff:

    DrewFab: http://www.drewfab.com

    Mike Rowe: http://mikerowe.com

    Dirty Jobs: https://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/di...

    Mike Rowe Speech to Congress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NwEF...

    Intro music by Eric Cook "ETCG1 Intro".

    Thanks for watching!
     
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    We just can't keep up. Right now we are 2 months out. If you are a new customer or someone who hasn't called us in a few years it's two months to get HVAC fixed. We have been looking for 3 qualified guys all Summer and don't have them yet. We are on 10 hour days most likely going to 12 and maybe Saturday's. It's only going to get worse.
     
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    They have liberal arts degrees and living in mom's basement playing video games, working at subway & between the tattoos, ear rings / piercings your customers would not want / trust them in their home.
     
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    Talent shortage affects truckers, non-truckers alike
    Foodservice executives say finding and keeping talented workers is becoming an “uphill battle.”
    Oct 17, 2017 Sean Kilcarr

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    Right to left: Tracy, Mercier, Mouskondis, and Zatina. (Photo: Sean Kilcarr/Fleet Owner)


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    NATIONAL HARBOR, MD. Being a good company with strong values offering good pay and great benefits is no longer enough to recruit and retain employees, now and in the future, according to a panel discussion of executives here at the 2017 International Foodservice Distributors Association (IFDA) conference at the Gaylord Convention Center.

    “The elephant in the room is that, years ago, if you just built a good company, people would line up out the door to come work for you,” explained John Tracy, executive chairman of Dot Foods, who served as the moderator of the discussion.

    “But now the single biggest issue we face is the talent shortage – nothing limits our businesses more than that,” he stressed. “We can’t seem to attract and retain top talent like we once did. Things are very different today.”


    Nicole Mouskondis, co-CEO of Nicholas & Company, added that what’s partly driving this difficultly is that the overall U.S. labor pool is undergoing a generational shift just as the concept of work itself is changing. On top of that, the technology required to conduct what used to be basic work is requiring a more skilled workforce as well, she said.

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    “By 2025, 75% of the workforce will be comprised of Millennials and they have a very different view of work,” Mouskondis explained. “For example, we’ve always had a group of workers willing to step in and work overtime. Now we have more workers wanting just part-time; they don’t want a full 40-hour week. This is why Uber and Lyft are successful; it’s due to the rise of the ‘independent worker.’ That means we have to set work schedules for how they best fits their needs, not ours.”

    “The big difference from 10 years ago is that out industry is just not sexy enough; it’s manual-labor intensive and today’s kids want less-intensive work,” noted Andy Mercier, president & CEO of Merchants Foodservice. “Delivering food to restaurants is not easy; neither is warehouse storage work.”

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    John Tracy, Dot Foods.


    The manual labor required by Merchants’ truck drivers in terms of unloading straight trucks and trailers is one area Mercier said is ripe for improvement – particularly as it could help extend the careers of his truck driver workforce.

    “Improving the unloading experience so it is not so hard might give them five more years with us,” he stressed. “Staying in that job and doing it longer – that retention aspect is the biggest challenge we face right now.”

    Another challenge in that vein comes from the “disruption” caused by technology, added Mouskondis. “Technology is creating a skills gap; it’s requiring more training and changing the nature of the jobs we offer,” she noted. “It all requires a higher-level of employee now.”

    However, Tom Zatina, president of McLane Foodservice Distribution, pointed out that despite the rise of technology and need of “traditional” companies such as those in the food distribution business to use it and become more efficient, the basic format of supply-chain transport – be it for food or other goods – will not change that much in the future.

    “I don’t believe we’ll be delivering cases of sour cream by drone anytime soon,” he said. “So we are still going to need people to move food in a safe, efficient, and dependable manner. That being said, if we keep doing things the old way, we’re going to miss out on opportunities.”

    To that end, Zatina believes food distributors need to focus on three trends: the rise of mobile technology and what roles it will play in the supply chain; the speed of delivery, as customers “keep compressing wait times” for their goods to travel from order to delivery; and access to more data in order to generate more efficiencies and “figure out where the customer wants to go.”

    A final point Zatina made on finding talent: firms in “traditional” business sectors need to diversify their workforce more.

    “What a mistake it is if we feel [in foodservice] that the only place we can go for talent is men; that limits the labor pool,” he stressed. “We need a rich mix of folks who want to work in our industry.”

    Mouskondis added that “diversity” is also critical when it comes to customer relations as well.

    “We need to understand our customer demographics; we need to be able to represent the ‘face’ of the customer so we can relate to them and align better with their needs,” she said. “This is not just about gender; it’s about ethnicity, too.”

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