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Kate Steinle trial: Garcia Zarate acquitted in San Francisco pier killing

Discussion in 'Coffee Shack (Daily News/Economy)' started by Goldhedge, Nov 30, 2017.



  1. Goldhedge

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    Kate Steinle trial: Garcia Zarate acquitted in San Francisco pier killing
    By Vivian Ho

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    Updated 5:36 pm, Thursday, November 30, 2017

    A homeless man whose undocumented immigration status intensified a national debate over the ethics of sanctuary laws was acquitted of murder and manslaughter charges Thursday in the shooting of Kate Steinle as she strolled with her father on Pier 14 to take in a view of San Francisco Bay.

    In returning its verdict on the sixth day of deliberations, the San Francisco Superior Court jury also found Jose Ines Garcia Zarate not guilty of assault with a firearm, apparently seeing credence in defense attorneys’ argument that the shot that ricocheted off the concrete ground was an accident, with the gun discharging after the defendant stumbled upon it on the waterfront on July 1, 2015.

    The panel convicted Garcia Zarate, 45, of a single lesser charge of being a felon in possession of a gun. The charge carries possible sentences of 16 months, two years or three years. Garcia Zarate, who has already served well over two years in jail and gets credit for that time, will be sentenced at a date not yet determined.

    Public Defender Jeff Adachi, whose office represented Garcia Zarate, said his client was “extremely relieved” by the verdict.

    “He knew what was at stake — his life was at stake,” Adachi said. “I think he feels tremendous sympathy for Kate Steinle and her family — we do as well — but unfortunately these types of horrible, tragic accidents happen every day.”

    Alex Bastian, a spokesman for the city district attorney’s office, said prosecutors found sufficient evidence for the charges at every step of the case.

    “The verdict was not the one we were hoping for.


    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...aring+Button&utm_medium=social#photo-14580882
     
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    This issue may easily carry Trump to victory. This failure was a political statement at the expense of this girl and her family. California sux.

    He was convicted on gun charges. He should face max jail time and fine which is 3 years and $10,000. Once served...report his ass with documents stating that his release into Mexico is conditioned upon the fact that if caught in US again, he will face execution by hanging or firing squad within 5 days of being apprehended.
     
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    Haven't kept up on the case, but it sounds like the right call with respect to the apparently accidental death of Steinle.

    It's more difficult to get there however, when you consider that had immigration law been followed then Zarate wouldn't have been able to pick up the weapon that was used to kill Steinle. Do the politicians that established sanctuary city status for San Francisco share some culpability here?
    What panel? What felony? Why wasn't this "undocumented immigrant" deported if he was convicted of a felony? Aren't those people also responsible for this tragedy?
    The gun "discharged", like by itself? Is there some evidence that the gun was defective then? ...or are we to simply to blame "the gun" for the death?
    Uh huh. A federal parasite with an improperly secured weapon. Swell. I wonder if said parasite will at least be fired. ...nevermind I know the answer to that.
     
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    The DA should have never went for murder....manslaughter yes....it was my understand (correct..idc) that they jury had the option to consider manslaughter charges in the their deliberations. If that was the case, then the jury failed miserable.
     
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    Kind of hard to say a jury failed...particularly when you're not privy to the evidence to which the jurors were subjected. Anyway the lieyers choose the jury through a process...so there's that.

    Dude was apparently deported and returned 5 times and was extradited to face charges that he possessed a certain plant that the federal regime hates oh so much. A whole lot of things had to happen to set the stage for this tragedy.
     
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    Trump calls Kate Steinle verdict 'disgraceful,' says 'no wonder' people are 'angry with illegal immigration'
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...eople-are-angry-with-illegal-immigration.html


    Donald Trump blasts not guilty verdict in murder of Kate Steinle by undocumented immigrant
    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-tr...rder-kate-120010734--abc-news-topstories.html


    US to deport undocumented immigrant acquitted in Kate Steinle death
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/us/kate-steinle-killing-verdict/index.html
     
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    'A disgraceful verdict': Trump leads outrage after five-time deported illegal immigrant at center of 'sanctuary city' debate is found NOT GUILTY of murdering woman, 32, on San Francisco pier
    • Jose Ines Garcia Zarate has been found not guilty of second-degree murder
    • Garcia Zarate admitted to shooting 32-year-old Kate Steinle last week
    • But he said he was holding gun on San Francisco pier when it accidentally fired
    • Garcia Zarate is a Mexican illegal immigrant who has been deported five times
    • He is facing between 16 months and three years in prison and will be deported
    • President Trump said the verdict is 'disgraceful' and that it's 'no wonder' people are 'so angry with Illegal Immigration'
    • Donald Trump Jr called the decision a 'disgrace' and said he hopes it's a 'wake call up' (sic) to the rest of the country
    • Steinle's father Jim said the family is 'saddened and shocked by the verdict
    • But her brother Brad said he wasn't shocked because of the 'epic failure' that saw Garcia Zarate on the streets with a gun


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5134757/Mexican-illegal-immigrant-NOT-GUILTY-murder.html#ixzz500lucXs9
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    Can we simply cut California loose from the union? The commies there have shown time and time again that they no longer are a part of America. They want to be on their own, and we clearly don't want them so let them leave before we have to start shooting them!
     
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    What's really sad about the Steinle verdict is this bum wasn't even given a manslaughter verdict. He was at least guilty of manslaughter. The man was holding the gun when it discharged and it did NOT just " go off" by itself. Guns don't do that. The boneheaded fool pulled the trigger. It's at least manslaughter.
     
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    this crap is RAMPANT. here at ground zero for the massive illegal alien crime wave, we routinely see disgustingly light/no sentences for horrendous crimes by illegals

    this case is beneficial because of the national media attention that no other cases get (was the victim skype or something?)
     
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    One report I saw seemed to indicate that Zarate claimed at one point he was firing the pistol at a "sea creature" and another report indicated that he claimed he stepped on the wrapped weapon and it discharged. Cocked and locked with the safety off seems an odd way to store a weapon, but it's just one of many strange aspects to this tragedy. Also odd is that despite being deported 5 times and spending months in prison for felony re-entry he still apparently required a translator when being questioned by five-o.
     
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    not sure you can have a Sig P239 Cocked and Locked. it is a DA/SA pistol. That DA trigger pull is long and deliberate.
     
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    California now a sanctuary state in violation of federal law, how the fk is the DoJ not arresting gov brown and the rest of the politicians that voted for this knowing it was breaking the law, how sick are the people in CA to vote not guilty , need the big one to cleanse this sick decadent state of these demonic individuals
     
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    This is BULLSHIT of the highest order!
     
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    Of course you can have it cocked and locked if the pistol has a safety which many double action pistols do have, although that particular designation/action is usually reserved for single action guns. Cocked means a round in the chamber, and the hammer back ready to fire, locked means the safety is on and one can't pull the trigger and eject the round. The obvious problem here is if the pistol is locked, one can not pull the trigger. It has to be unlocked, the safety off, to shoot.

    So yeah, total BS.
     
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    The DA/SA pistols I am familiar with don't have a safety, but a decocker. I know my Beretta 92 cannot be cocked and locked in SA mode as well as several other models of Sig that I have handled.
     
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    On a positive note:
    A victory for women's equality.
    Compared to a Mex illegal, just like a white male, white women have no value either.
     
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    Serves her right for living in a commie state. 49 other states to choose from and she remained there. There is NO law in Commiefornia except communist rule! Zero farks to give!
     
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    The Denver Post headlie.... notice anything 'unusual?'

    Their readership is on the decline.


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    It is outrageous. They need to build a wall that will have a killer electrified fence. The parents need to sue the crap out of San Francisco for attracting and allowing that scumbag to stay in the city.
     
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    I hope they do that and take them for millions. They lost their daughter because of that city's progressivist stupidity.
     
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    And there are many DA/SA safety pistols out there as well. You're correct that most Sigs have decockers.

    Decocker or Manual Safety: Which Is Best?

    https://www.usacarry.com/decocker-or-manual-safety/
     
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    Feds may take a crack at this piece of crap, would be nice to hand him 20 years...
     
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    So why?

    Why are the current authorities allowing so much increased immigration, and why are they giving them so much leeway in society?
     
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    Short, accurate & complete, I like it !!!!

    :green tea:
     
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    My guess is the Bankers need more human chattel, and quality doesn't matter.
     
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    My guess is that the left needs more voters !!!! and quality doesn't matter !
     
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    Truth, and businesses need cheap labor too...we are screwed both ways.
     
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    It really baffles me, why they all bite the hand that feeds them.
     
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    Do you really believe this was an accident? No other country lets this injustice to a victim. You get canned in Singapore for minor of fence like gum chewing or spray painting? Mob justice is instantly served in India. This idiot would not survive one day south of the border.
    Justice, jurors, are following some script to use this senseless crime as a political football theatre. Not good at all. The worst nightmare for any parent to see their own child die in front of them.
     
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    yes! reflected in EO's current hate crime rankings

    1. jew
    2. gay
    3. black

    6. muzzie (up like a rocket over last year)
    7. mexican (generic)

    23. asian (generic)

    98. white woman
    99. white man

    how to read the rankings: higher rank easily gets hcrime charges against lower rank. lower rank almost impossible to get hcrime charges against higher rank

    note that the holy trinity at the top have not changed since the initial hcrime ranking came out several years ago. muzzies and mexicans have been the big movers up, while white women have been the big mover down
     
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    I believe it was an accident in so far as I do not believe Zarate intended Steinle any harm. Remember, the fatal shot ricocheted off a slab of concrete. I believe Zarate's priors consist only of non-violent offenses.

    No, he shouldn't have been there, no he shouldn't have had some BLM douchelord's stolen handgun..and he surely shouldn't have been firing the thing. That said I don't believe he was guilty of murder. Involuntary manslaughter...perhaps, though the prosecutor tried that too and the jury was not convinced. None of us were there to hear what the jury heard/didn't hear though so it's tough to say what happened with any certainty.

    If the feds try their usual second chance double jeopardy "feeling" crime crap, they too will fail to get a conviction imo, though I doubt they try. Sucks for her family, I mean she was apparently hand in hand with her father, who must rightly feel betrayed by a criminal justus system. Clearly border security in this nation is crap and sanctuary cities are bs. Zarate wouldn't have been in the same place at the same time as the handgun that was used to kill Steinle had he not been extradited for a silly pot charge...and the gun wouldn't have been there if the unConstitutional BLM didn't exist.
     
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    I suppose it varies from state to state but I don't think you can charge someone with 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter at the same time in Ohio. You have to pick one or the other. Again, it places responsibility on the local government.
     
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    There is a law for that too (second degree manslaughter). Many people are serving time for less than what this guy could have been convicted of. He was released for political reasons, not because it was the 'right thing to do' and that girl's life will remain unavenged. The country's anger re: illegals is steadily growing. Soon we're going to need more dumpsters for all the beaner bodies that will be turning up.
     
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    What makes you think Zarate was acquitted for political reasons and not because the prosecutor simply failed to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt? It's telling I think that Zarate was also found not guilty of assault with a semi-automatic weapon. That seems pretty open and shut on the surface, but the jury didn't buy that either.

    For me this looks a lot like the OJ Simpson case. It certainly looked open and shut, but as soon as you toss in some overzealous pigs tampering with evidence, a skilled defense lieyer, and/or a crappy prosecuting lieyer anything can happen.
     
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    The politics of Komiefornia my friend!
     
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    A lot of people seem to have some pretty goofy ideas over there on the leftist coast, I'll give you that. Still, one would think a competent prosecutor wouldn't bring a case to trial if they weren't confident they could select a jury that would deliver a guilty verdict.

    Perhaps the prosecutor was overconfident due to the defense being led by a lowly public defender.
     
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    This guy was guilty of manslaughter. The gun that killed Steinle was in his hand when it killed her. Accidental, maybe, but that's on him. Unless he's mentally retarded and didn't understand at all how guns work.
     
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    YES!!! YES!!! If I had killed that girl like that there would be no need for a trial. The fact that I took an innocent life because of my carelessness would be my burden to bear! WTF is wrong with these people? ...or is it me who's wrong?
     
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