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  1. latemetal

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    FWIW:


    7 U.S. sailors missing after catastrophic collision
    https://www.navytimes.com/articles/us-navy-destroyer-collides-with-merchant-ship

    The stricken destroyer Fitzgerald has returned home, but 7 sailors are still missing
    https://www.navytimes.com/articles/...tzgerald-returns-home-7-sailors-still-missing

    Search Continues As Damaged Destroyer Hobbles Into Port
    http://gcaptain.com/search-continues-damaged-destroyer-hobbles-port/

    10 High Resolution Photos Of US Navy Destroyer Collision
    http://gcaptain.com/high-resolution-photos-us-navy-destroyer-collision/

    USS Fitzgerald Collision Likely Caused by ‘Human Error,’ Not Tech
    http://fortune.com/2017/06/17/fitzgerald-collision-human-error/
     
  5. Lt Dan

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    Lotta sh!t, ya ask me. And why weren't they tied to a pier in Japan, out partying at 2 in the morning? Something stinks about this, whole story. I was in the Navy, things like that did happen, whoever was driving the ship at the time, most have not been paying attention to detail. Any ship or boat came within ten miles we made preparations right away to change course to avoid a collision. That container ship might even have been on auto-pilot, never assume the commercial traffic is paying attention.

     
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    Exactly, the sea is big empty and boring if no one is shooting at you.
     
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    Haven't heard this in a good while...........:beer:
     
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    image.jpeg I am not a Navy man and fail to understand many naval terms and strategies. BUT, some articles state the US ship hit the Phillipine huge tanker. The US navy ship is damaged squarely on its side, not its bow.
    Do US naval ships travel sideways?
     
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  9. Lt Dan

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    Song just popped into my head as I was thinking about the story.

    917601, human error is the most likely reason, and yes, if the ships where traveling in the same direction, but slightly different headings, the can, (DDG), might have cut across the heading of the larger ship. The larger ship would have had right of way. There are many maritime rules of the road, so to speak, that I'm not up to date on, since I wasn't a ship driver, just a passenger. My job did put me in the pilot house from time to time, but mostly I was in either radio, or radar watch positions.
     
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    Hopefully some sailors just beat the crap out of him for this. Anyway he's all washed up. Gonna retire for family reasons.
    Anyway when ya have a bunch of homo's, transgenders and SJW in your military scat happens. The military is in such trouble if we ever have to go to war. As soon as the fancy electronics fail we will be doomed.
     
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    She could have been the over taking vessel, though god knows how some one didnt notice something. Autopilot and a cuppa probably.
     
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    In a better time...........



    Published on Nov 28, 2015
    USS Fitzgerald Leaving Hong Kong Ocean Terminal on 28 Nov. 2015 after the visit.


    Now..................



    Published on Jun 17, 2017
    Arleigh Burke-class destroyer USS Fitzgerald returns to Fleet Activities Yokosuka after a collision at sea with a Philippine container ship.
     
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    If any of them guys are somehow still alive, I hope they find them. The seven.
     
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    The oceans are big. It makes you wonder how ships could run into each other. Awhile back, somebody posted something to the effect that, if I remember correctly, in the year 1900 (?), or thereabouts, there were only two automobiles in the state of Ohio. They collided with each other. How in the heck...?
     
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    I watched a video last night that said the container ship was heading towards port and for
    some reason turned around and started heading back the way it came???

    Anybody know?
     
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    Sounds like Tom Clancy, if he were still alive, could write this into a real page turner novel, probably way better than what really happened.
     
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    Fitzgerald JUST HAD a bagillion milions retrofit.
    Really ???
     
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    image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg More pics.
     
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    Bodies found on doomed destroyer: Divers find some of the Navy's seven missing sailors who were TRAPPED in flooded wreck of USS Fitzgerald after cargo ship hit - as investigators probe 'negligence'
    • Navy destroyer USS Fitzgerald collided with a Philippines merchant vessel off the coast of Japan Saturday
    • US defense official had said there were 7 sailors unaccounted for and three injured, including the commander
    • Dakota Rigsby was identified Saturday night as one of the missing sailors from Fluvanna County, Virginia
    • Navy officials said a number of sailors have been found dead, but it's unknown if Rigsby was among them
    • The Navy says damage occurred to the starboard side, above and below the Fitzgerald's waterline
    • Bryce Benson was appointed Executive Officer of Fitzgerald in 2015, he took over as Commander last month
    • During press conference on Sunday Vice Adm Joseph Aucoin said Benson was 'lucky to be alive'
    • Aucoin said ship was struck on side where 116 crew members were asleep and Benson's cabin was destroyed


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4614624/Young-sailor-identified-one-seven-missing-sea.html#ixzz4kL2zDD89
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    Only one road.
     
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    That's probably it. And there weren't any stripes on it to divide lanes. It will be interesting to find out what caused the ship collision.
     
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    Bryce Benson just had his naval career come to a screeching halt. Drummed out at an 0-4 pay grade at the very least ....worse if he wasn't in his bunk sawing logs when the collision occurred.
     
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    Makes me wonder if a swj did this on purpose.......... you know guilt and all......... There has to be so many on that ship that are responsible....... radar, radio, satellite, captain, etc........ Seems impossible......
     
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    I get that the destroyer was named after a naval officer, but did someone not stop and think that naming it the USS Fitzgerald might be bad karma? (The SS Edmund Fitzgerald sank in Lake Superior in 1975).

    :don't    know2:
     
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    And don't forget John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
     
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    My bet is that someone screwed up port and starboard. The OOD (Officer of the Deck) may have wanted to turn sharply to the left, but shouted hard to starboard in the confusion. Or the OOD may have said hard to port, but the helmsman turned right instead. A distant third possibility is that the multi million dollar electronics on board had a badly timed glitch. What I want to know is why the Fitz was that close to the other ship in the first place.
     
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    It's really hard to think that a collision at sea could possibly be the result of "driver error," but it sounds plausible, if not even probable.
     
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    What you don't see in the photos is the below water line damage.

    This is what did the deed:

    Screen Shot 2017-06-18 at 10.05.47 AM.png
     
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    From the pics, it looks like it must've snuck up on 'em from the rear Starboard side as they cut across its path. Kinda like what @Lt Dan posted. Most people look where they're going, not where they've been. Doesn't excuse it though.


    I've thought the same thing. What else could it be, other than a lack of attention being paid? In this case, likely by multiple people on both ships. Even if the big ship had the ROW, surely someone on the bridge had to have seen they were on a collision course and started turning Starboard so as to avoid a collision? Same can be said of the other, too. They should have turned to Port.


    Actually there would have already been lots of roads by then. Maybe better described as trails at some points, but wagon usage on it's own will create a type of road over time.
    ...and there were lots of wagons there in those days.
     
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    Someone will be relieved of their command.....
     
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    I would like to see the log book!

    Every change in course and speed given, to the helmsman, by the OOD is recorded by a yeoman in a log book. At some point there had to be screaming warnings from lookouts, radar(CIC), even sonar. The OOD would usually give the order to change the heading of the ship by saying, "Come right or left to new course and give a heading in degrees, usually after given recommendations from those other sources.

    I'm still thinking human error on more than one level. I spent, on one ship I was on, more time in both CIC and the pilot house, to know there is no relaxing out there, you have got to stay focused.
     
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    Me too.

    I'd also love to hear all the radio traffic that went on.
     
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    I like this poem whenever I think about the ships at sea. Somehow they got crossed up.

    9117fced0c86c2ca9feb436e1910dfa4.jpg
     
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    Yes, for sure. I was in the Air Force, so I don't know jack squat about Naval Operations. But common sense would tell you, that there are alarms, and warnings that could, and should go off, whenever there is ANY type of approaching vessel. That being said, I would venture to guess, that radio transmissions were made, between the US ship, and the container ship, regarding present course, etc. Now, If the US ship received info on the container ships course, and realized there would be no issues, then they both continue on their way, with no worries. However, looking at the plot course that Numbers provided above, leads one to believe that the container ship was literally waiting for the US ship to get to where it could be rammed intentionally. Still shouldn't happen if everyone is doing their job on the Navy vessel. So more than likely, we have a crew on a US warship that were derelect of duty, and an intentional attack on the same warship, by whoever is running the container ship. How else does this occur? Radar jamming? Still an attack.
     
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    Even pirated used lookouts!
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    Been at GQ to many times when Russian Bears get a little to close. Within minutes we had Tomcats up to escort them on their way. Something is very wrong with the Fitz (story). Sum Ting Wong
     
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    So, the hit took out the Captain's quarters. And some are saying that the US ship should have yielded to the cargo ship, since it was a shipping lane. Also that one or both ships could have been on auto pilot. Must have been bowling night aboard ship. I still don't get it.
     

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