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    For the conspiracy types.....this theory advanced because the US ship's route is not being released and some say other US Naval ships were already advancing towards her indicating she was in trouble well before the collision. I am surprised Jsmineset posted this....( but do remember he was correct about the Valerie Plame CIA event). I do not believe it personally, but have fun seeing who jumps on it.

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    2017 at 2:48 PM (CST) by Bill Holter & filed under In The News.

    Bill Holter’s Commentary

    It smelled wrong when the news first came out. If this is true, the ramifications are horrifying.

    Chinese EMP Hit the Fitzgerald-Nimitz Racing to Scene As War Is Close
    June 23, 2017

    I publicly stated, on June 21, that the USS Fitzgerald was hit by an EMP. My belief is rooted in several factors which will be discussed by the end of the article. However, the foundation for my belief comes from a two-year-old declassified intelligence report.

    The Chinese Make EMP Weapons a Priority

    A 2015 declassified intelligence report, obtained by the private National Security Archive, provides details on China’s EMP weapons as well as the plans for their use.

    The report details how much of China’s military is developing EMP weapons that the Chinese plan to use against targeted U.S. aircraft carriers with regard to any future conflict over Taiwan. Parts of the National Ground Intelligence Center study on the lethal effects of electromagnetic pulse (EMP) and high-powered microwave (HPM) weapons revealed that the arms are part of what China refers to as the “assassin’s mace”. This arsenal of EMP weapons allows a technologically inferior China to defeat U.S. military forces while leaving much of the surrounding infrastructure intact. It is like the neutron bomb of EMP weaponry.

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    Like I said earlier, I was in the Navy - that was a long time ago, a lot has changed. Any news reports we are getting are probably faked to a degree. To much speculation and conjecture just complicates the story. The more time goes by without learning the truth the more the conspiracy types come out of the woodwork and pump theories.

    I'll say this about that conspiracy thing, if the ship had been in some sort of trouble, the captain would probably have been on the bridge, and if there had been some real issues, the crew would probably have been at GQ, not sleeping. Lots of unanswered questions and until some things are better explained, I'll not believe most of what I read or see in the news.
     
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    I saw that earlier & don't believe it. If that was the case the Captain would have been on full alert not sleeping with lookouts posted everywhere & everyone on alert. The ship would have been tracked and continuous satellite phone communication with a radar station, another ship or something.....
     
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    UN-FING BELIEVABLE............ maybe we need competence instead of diversity.

    http://news.trust.org/item/20170626101937-6xsul

    TOKYO, June 26 (Reuters) - A U.S. warship struck by a container vessel in Japanese waters failed to respond to warning signals or take evasive action before a collision that killed seven of its crew, according to a report of the incident by the Philippine cargo ship's captain.

    Multiple U.S. and Japanese investigations are under way into how the guided missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald and the much larger ACX Crystal container ship collided in clear weather south of Tokyo Bay in the early hours of June 17.

    In the first detailed account from one of those directly involved, the cargo ship's captain said the ACX Crystal had signalled with flashing lights after the Fitzgerald "suddenly" steamed on to a course to cross its path.

    The container ship steered hard to starboard (right) to avoid the warship, but hit the Fitzgerald 10 minutes later at 1:30 a.m., according to a copy of Captain Ronald Advincula's report to Japanese ship owner Dainichi Investment Corporation that was seen by Reuters.

    The U.S. Navy declined to comment and Reuters was not able to independently verify the account.

    The collision tore a gash below the Fitzgerald's waterline, killing seven sailors in what was the greatest loss of life on a U.S. Navy vessel since the USS Cole was bombed in Yemen's Aden harbour in 2000.

    Those who died were in their berthing compartments, while the Fitzgerald's commander was injured in his cabin, suggesting that no alarm warning of an imminent collision was sounded.

    A spokesman for the U.S. Navy's Seventh Fleet in Yokosuka, the Fitzgerald's home port, said he was unable to comment on an ongoing investigation.

    The incident has spurred six investigations, including two internal hearings by the U.S. Navy and a probe by the United States Coast Guard (USCG) on behalf of the National Transportation Safety Board. The Japan Transport Safety Board, the JCG and the Philippines government are also conducting separate investigations.

    Spokesmen from the Japan Coast Guard (JCG), U.S. Coast Guard and ship owner, Dainichi Invest, also declined to comment. Reuters was not able to contact Advincula, who was no longer in Japan.

    The investigations will examine witness testimony and electronic data to determine how a naval destroyer fitted with sophisticated radar could be struck by a vessel more than three times its size.

    Another focus of the probes has been the length of time it took the ACX Crystal to report the collision. The JCG says it was first notified at 2:25 a.m., nearly an hour after the accident.

    In his report, the ACX Crystal's captain said there was "confusion" on his ship's bridge, and that it turned around and returned to the collision site after continuing for 6 nautical miles (11 km).

    Shipping data in Thomson Reuters Eikon shows that the ACX Crystal, chartered by Japan's Nippon Yusen KK, made a complete U-turn between 12:58 a.m. and 2:46 a.m. (Reporting by Tim Kelly; Additional reporting by Nobuhiro Kubo; Editing by Alex Richardson)
     
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    These two bits of information make no sense together, because if the ACX took evasive maneuvers in a failed attempt to avoid a collision, the ones running the ship obviously saw the Fitzgerald ahead of time and knew they hit it at the time of impact. So why the delay of nearly an hour to report the incident after steaming away from the scene?

    None of the info coming out about this incident makes a lick of sense.
     
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    Electronic attack disables,....cargo ship attempts to sink by collision,....


    Navy Vessel Disabled! Cargo Vessel attacks! Bridge Audio begins around 9:30...collision at 12:40......

    Plenty of videos by this guy. Form your own conclusions--or don't.

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    ^^^^ Supposedly, that "bridge audio" is actually from the USS Porter during its collision.


    One thing I was wondering about, does anyone here know what height of the bridge is on the Fitzgerald?

    I ask because the damage seen in this pic of the ACX shows damage to the upper part of the side all the way up to deck level and the pic of the Fitzgerald only shows damage to the lower half of the above water portion of the ship. If the ACX is so much bigger than the Fitzgerald, shouldn't the damage pattern be reversed? Looking at these two pics, it would seem as though the bow of the ACX should have been at least at bridge level of the Fitzgerald, if not higher.

    I've never seen either type of ship up close, and perhaps the scale of the pics is deceiving, but it just looks like the ACX would had to have been riding fairly low in the water to produce the type of damage visible above the waterline. Yet there's a pic from right after the incident showing it riding fairly high in the water. I always thought you could only see the red part when a ship like that was empty. Based on the pic, it's obviously loaded.

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    ~THE DESTROYER HAD A MISSION~WHAT WAS IT??? INVESTIGATION CONTINUES.....

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    Five (Or More) Short Blasts – On Sounding The Danger Signal

    July 3, 2017 by Grant Livingstone


    This is PART 3 of a series about the COLREGs. Scroll down for links to Part 1 & 2

    by Captain Grant H. Livingstone The Grand Daddy of COLREGs debate and interpretation among professional mariners may be Rule 34; traditionally called the ‘Danger Signal’ five short blasts on the ships whistle. I have sailed with professional mariners that would sound five short blasts at everything and those that would only sound five short blasts when they believed collision was eminent. Many times sounding five short blasts only confounds private boaters who do not understand its meaning. There are circumstances where professional mariners hesitate to sound any signal fearing the small boat will turn the wrong way.


    I used the term ‘Danger Signal’ on the bridge and when I sounded five short blasts that meant potential danger of collision in my mind. After conferring with esteemed colleagues who are expert, my view of Rule 34 has evolved and it may be worth discussion.

    Rule 34 (d) is clear. When vessels in sight of one another fail to understand the intentions or actions of the other, or is in DOUBT whether sufficient action is being taken by the other to avoid collision, the vessel in DOUBT shall immediately show such DOUBT by giving at least five short rapid blasts on the ships whistle.

    Failing to understand the actions or intentions of the other may arguably exist without risk of collision. Initially under that circumstance we have time to wait and assess after sounding five short blasts. Assuming we are the stand on vessel we maintain course and speed. After time to assess, if the other vessel does not appear to be taking sufficient action to give way or avoid collision and we are still in doubt Rule 7(a) directs us to consider that risk of collisions exits. This is when action to avoid collision, Rule 8, can become a sticky wicket. Time may be running out for proper and sufficient action to avoid collision. In many close quarters situations the mariner would need a crystal ball to know if the give way vessel was going to clear safely (avoiding a collision) before ‘crossing bows’. But Rule 8(e) is clear; if necessary to avoid collision or allow more time to assess the situation a vessel shall slacken her speed or take all way off by stopping and reversing her means of propulsion. “If necessary” is highly subjective and possibly very difficult to assess until after the fact. Perhaps there will be no collision and therefore no need to make large course alterations or slacken speed and take all way off. But if there is a collision after sounding five short blasts and the mariner did not take sufficient action to avoid collision they will be held at fault; severely so.

    In conclusion it may not be necessary to slacken speed or change course or take all way after sounding five short blasts when risk of collision is deemed to exit. But it is Prudent Seamanship to take some action and may, one time out of one thousand, save a professional mariners career and possibly live(s).

    Many thanks to Pacific Maritime Institute’s Bill Anderson Jr., Gregg Trunnell and Steve Burtchael for their invaluable advice on COLREGS.

    COLREGs Series by Captain Grant H. Livingstone
    Part 1: Are Ships The Careless Giants Of The Sea?

    Part 2: Give Way or Stand On

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    U.S. Navy Temporarily Relieves USS Fitzgerald Commander

    July 11, 2017 by Reuters

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    The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald, damaged by colliding with a Philippine-flagged merchant vessel, is towed by a tugboat upon its arrival at the U.S. naval base in Yokosuka, south of Tokyo, Japan June 17, 2017. REUTERS/Toru Hanai


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    By Tim Kelly TOKYO, July 11 (Reuters) – The U.S. Navy on Tuesday said on Tuesday it has temporarily relieved, for medical reasons, the commander of a warship involved in a crash with a container vessel in Japanese waters that killed seven American sailors.

    The collision between the guided missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald and the Philippine-registered ACX Crystal on June 17 resulted in the greatest loss of life on a U.S. Navy vessel since the USS Cole was bombed by Islamist militants in Yemen’s Aden harbor in 2000.

    At least six investigations have been launched, including two U.S. Navy internal hearings and a probe by the United States Coast Guard (USCG).

    “Cmdr Bryce Benson, who is recovering from injuries sustained during Fitzgerald’s June 17 collision with the merchant vessel ACX Crystal was relieved temporarily,” the U.S. Navy Seventh Fleet said in a press release.

    None of the investigations has apportioned blame for the accident, or explained how an advanced U.S. warship with sophisticated radars and trained lookouts sailing in clear, albeit dark, conditions was struck by a vessel more than three times its size.

    In the first detailed account from one of those directly involved in the collision, the cargo ship’s captain, in a report seen by Reuters, said the ACX Crystal signaled the Fitzgerald with flashing lights about 10 minutes before the collision, but that it did not respond or alter course.

    The U.S. Navy has said it would not comment until the investigations were complete.

    The Fitzgerald is in dry dock at its home port in Yokosuka, Japan. Engineers are undertaking temporary repairs and will assess whether the damaged vessel can sail back to the United States.

    (Reporting by Tim Kelly; Editing by Robert Birsel; Editing by)

    (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2017.

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    Damaged Destroyer USS Fitzgerald Moves to Dry Dock in Japan -PHOTOS

    July 12, 2017 by Mike Schuler

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    The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) sits in Dry Dock 4 at Fleet Activities (FLEACT) Yokosuka to continue repairs and assess damage sustained from its June 17 collision with a merchant vessel. U.S. Navy Photo

    The USS Fitzgerald has entered dry dock at a United States Navy base in Yokosuka, Japan to continue repairs and assess damage following its June 17 collision with a merchant vessel off the coast of Japan.

    The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) entered dry dock July 11 at the Fleet Activities (FLEACT) Yokosuka base.

    “We used two of our yard tugboats and four pusher boats to move Fitzgerald from Berth 12 to the dry dock,” said FLEACT Yokosuka’s Harbor Movements Officer, Chief Warrant Officer Galo Moreira.

    “It usually takes three boats to “push” a DDG into dry dock,” said Moreira. “Today we used the additional boat as an extra safety boat to make sure we didn’t cause more damage to the Fitz.”

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    Once the ship was delivered Dry Dock #4, it was the responsibility of Yokosuka’s Ship Repair Facility-Joint Region Maintenance Center (SRF-JRMC) professionals to get the ship lined up correctly in the dry dock and start pumping out the water from the dock.

    “Usually we can dock a ship in about seven hours,” said Lt. David Reinhardt, SRF-JRMC’s Docking Officer who oversaw the process. “Once the dock is dry, myself and the dockmaster and shop workers will go down and make sure that there is no abnormalities that we didn’t expect. The ship’s force will also do an inspection of the hull to make sure there is nothing there that we wouldn’t expect to see.”

    Out of water for the first time since the accident, the extent of the damage below the waterline became evident. USNI News obtained photos showing the steel plates that divers had welded to Fitzgerald’s hull to patch the hole:

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    U.S. Navy photo by Daniel A. Taylor/Released by FLEACT Yokosuka Public Affairs Office)

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    U.S. Navy photo by Daniel A. Taylor/Released by FLEACT Yokosuka Public Affairs Office

    Seven U.S. Navy Sailors were killed when the USS Fitzgerald collided with the ACX Crystal in the early morning hours of June 17, causing extensive damage to the ship, flooding compartments where the Sailors slept.

    The accident is subject to multiple investigations.

    Fitzgerald has been forward deployed to Yokosuka since September 2004 as part of U.S. 7th Fleet.

    Navy officials are still assessing if repairs will be done in Japan or if the destroyer will be brought back to the U.S. for repairs.

    Filed Under: Maritime News

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