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North Korea Claims Test of Hydrogen Bomb for Long-Range Missile a Success

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  1. platinumdude

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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-appears-to-have-conducted-nuclear-test-1504411685

    SEOUL—North Korea said it conducted a sixth and significantly larger nuclear test Sunday, stepping up pressure on President Donald Trump in what is shaping up to be his biggest foreign policy crisis.

    In a televised statement, North Korea described the underground explosion, which triggered a large earthquake, as a “perfect success in the test of a hydrogen bomb for an ICBM.” Pyongyang said “the creditability of the operation of the nuclear warhead is fully guaranteed.”

    The test came just hours after leader Kim Jong Un showed off what he described as a hydrogen bomb capable of being mounted on an intercontinental ballistic missile.

    The explosion at the nuclear test site at Punggye-ri in North Korea’s mountainous northeast triggered an initial magnitude-6.3 earthquake, followed by a magnitude-4.1 temblor that was possibly caused by a structural collapse, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

    While it was unclear what set off the second quake, satellite imagery has captured evidence of tunneling activity at the nuclear test site in recent months. Any structural collapse might have been related to that.

    According to the logarithmic scale used to measure earthquakes, the initial magnitude-6.3 tremor was 10 times bigger than the one triggered by the North’s previous nuclear test in September 2016, which the USGS said had a magnitude of 5.3.

    The Korea Meteorological Administration in Seoul put the magnitude of Sunday’s initial earthquake at 5.7

    The Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization said seismic signals were picked up by 35 monitoring stations, suggesting that the size of the explosion was much larger than last time, when signals were picked up by 26 stations.

    The latest nuclear test was estimated to have a yield of as high as 100 kilotons—about 10 times the power of the North’s previous test and roughly five times that of the atomic bomb that the U.S. dropped on Nagasaki, Japan, in 1945, according to Kim Young-woo, a South Korean lawmaker who is chairman of the legislature’s defense committee and received a briefing from military authorities.

    A spokesman for the defense ministry declined to comment.

    South Korea’s national security adviser, Chung Eui-yong, said after a 90-minute emergency meeting of the National Security Council that Seoul would consider the possible deployment of what he described as the “most powerful strategic assets that the U.S. possesses,” without elaborating, according to a statement from the presidential Blue House.

    The phrase “strategic assets” typically refers to stealth bombers, aircraft carriers or possibly nuclear weapons. The U.S. withdrew the last of its nuclear weapons from South Korea in 1991.

    Mr. Chung, who also spoke by phone with Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, his counterpart at the White House, said that Moon Jae-in, the South Korean president, had called for the “strongest punitive measures” against Pyongyang. That includes diplomatic measures and a new United Nations Security Council resolution to “completely isolate North Korea.”

    While North Korea has made steady advances in both its nuclear and missile programs over the course of decades, Mr. Kim has greatly accelerated the pace of testing as the isolated country nears the ability to deliver a nuclear-tipped missile to the continental U.S.

    Just this year, it has conducted a string of successful missile tests that have extended the proven range of its arsenal and introduced new capabilities that allow Pyongyang to fire missiles more quickly and with less warning. In July, it test-fired two ICBMs that experts say they believe are capable of reaching many parts of the U.S. mainland.

    “The Kim regime made the strategic decision to develop a nuclear armed ICBM that can strike the United States,” said Leif-Eric Easley, a professor of international studies at Ewha University in Seoul. “It is in a sprint to deploy that capability, because it wants the world to recognize it before returning to diplomatic talks, and before sanctions become unbearable.”

    However, analysts have been divided on whether North Korea could shrink a nuclear warhead to fit on the tip of a missile. Many also remain skeptical about whether a North Korean warhead can survive the strain of re-entry into the Earth’s atmosphere.

    In an earlier statement Sunday, which followed a meeting between Mr. Kim and his top nuclear scientists, North Korea claimed it had already mastered the ability to mount a hydrogen bomb atop a long-range missile.

    He also said all of the components of its hydrogen bomb were homemade, insulating the nuclear-weapons program from sanctions and “enabling the country to produce powerful nuclear weapons, as many as it wants.” The bomb’s explosive power has a range up to hundreds of kilotons, the North Korean report said.

    The claims couldn’t be immediately verified and the report didn’t specify the date of Mr. Kim’s visit. North Korea conducted a pair of nuclear tests last year, including one a year ago this week, that Pyongyang claimed involved hydrogen bombs.

    North Korea’s September 2016 test had an estimated yield of about 10 kilotons, higher than in any of its previous four tests but likely too low to have come from a hydrogen bomb.

    In photos published by North Korean state media before Sunday’s nuclear test, Mr. Kim gestured toward a bulbous silver device that appeared capable of holding the two nuclear devices that would be necessary for a thermonuclear blast.

    A hydrogen bomb—technically known as a thermonuclear weapon—typically uses a smaller, primary atomic explosion to ignite a secondary, much larger blast. The first stage is based on nuclear fission—the splitting of atoms—and the second on nuclear fusion, which combines atoms, smashing them together and unleashing more energy. Additional stages can be added to increase its destructive force.

    That makes the H-bomb more powerful than early nuclear weapons that typically used a single-stage blast based only on nuclear fission. Those weapons are known as “pure fission” devices and are thought to have been used in all of North Korea’s first three nuclear tests, which it said involved atomic bombs.

    Sunday’s nuclear test came just before Chinese President Xi Jinping was set to give a speech at a summit of the five so-called Brics countries, including Brazil, Russia, India and South Africa, being held in the southern Chinese coastal city of Xiamen.

    Zhao Tong, a fellow at the Carnegie-Tsinghua Center for Global Policy in Beijing, said North Korea may have chosen to conduct the nuclear test ahead of China’s leadership reshuffle set for next month, knowing Beijing will emphasize stability before the critical meeting.

    “It appears North Korea wants to complete the final step toward perfect nuclear deterrence before the 19th party congress because China wants to prioritize stability ahead of it,” he said. The twice-a-decade Communist Party gathering is expected to start Oct. 18 in Beijing.

    If North Korea has achieved the capability to test a thermonuclear weapon, it gives it a more “credible nuclear deterrence,” as it no longer needs very accurate missiles to hit its targets, he said. “That’s a real concern.”

    a thermonuclear weapon, it gives it a more “credible nuclear deterrence,” as it no longer needs very accurate missiles to hit its targets, he said. “That’s a real concern.”

    China’s Foreign Ministry condemned the latest North Korean nuclear test in a statement, vowing to “comprehensively implement” U.N. Security Council resolutions on Pyongyang.

    “We strongly urge the DPRK to face up to the firm will of the international society on the issue of denuclearization on the Korean Peninsula” and to return to “the track of dialogue,” the ministry said in a statement, referring to North Korea by the initials of its official name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

    Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said his country would work together with the U.S., South Korea, China and Russia on a response to the nuclear test.

    “We can never accept it. We will need to make a strong protest,” Mr. Abe said.

    In North Korea’s statement before the nuclear test, Mr. Kim also threatened to detonate a nuclear device at a high altitude above the U.S. The detonation could emit a brief but powerful electromagnetic signal capable of disrupting swaths of the U.S. electrical grid, experts say.

    Fears of such an electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, attack by North Korea have circulated for years among some U.S. policy makers, though others have openly dismissed the possibility that Pyongyang could launch such a strike.
     
  2. the_shootist

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    Get on with it already! I'm so sick of this propaganda over and over again. I'm guessing Nork has no nuclear weapons. If they do they have no intention of using them. They know they would be bombed back to the stone age if they did.

    All this hype is meant to be another 'reason' for the military industrial complex to ramp up more business and gain more .gov contracts.
     
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    Pretty much sums it up and certainly makes sense.
     
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    OOOOH NOOOOO!

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    the_shootist The war is here on our doorstep! Midas Member Site Supporter ++

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    He killed his brother and uncle because they were going to overthrow him. I suppose if he came out like a great pharaoh who wanted to help his people and build infrastructure we would not be having this conversation.

    My guess is the Japs and SK will be forced to have their own nukes whereas there will be prime development in defensive systems.
     
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    The USA has put them in a position where they need nukes. Gaddafi and Saddam didn't have nukes and they were killed... Imagine what's going through Kim's mind.

    The USA needs to back out of this and let the slanted eyed people handle it. They are smart, they can develop peace.
     
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    Two reasons not to worry:

    1. Donald Trump is President
    2. Jim "Mad Dog" Mattis is Secretary of Defense

    When military action needs to be taken, you need competent leadership. Trump and Mattis can lead the US, with any trouble that North Korea creates.
     
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    Maybe if Kim didn't keep blowing up nuclear devices and sending one ICBM after the other over Japan the US might not have much of a case to put Norks in the position they seem to be in now.
     
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    Interesting how little Kim suddenly got an advance in technology...
     
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    Fake news
     
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    Man I am so sick of this chit.
    We don't need no stinking nuclear bombs dropped on N Korea and kill a bunch of fecking starving peasants...
    Why the hell don't we send in a Seal Team made up of Asains and take out Lil Kim?
    For real , why not drone the feck out of Kim?
    We have all seen those drone videos where people on the ground can't even hide under a truck without having the chit blown out of them.
    I am ok with surgical drone strikes aimed at taking off the head of the snake.
     
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    I'm pretty sure a drone or seal attack is planned before resorting to any bombing campaign. Which I don't think they really want to do that. But the question is if we are able to take out Kim, will the successor retaliate or not.
     
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    Take them out like that and get an even more paranoid leader in charge of nukes.

    It would have to be a military coup, and someone would have to some pretty good bribing.
     
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    What North Korea Might Have Actually Tested on Sunday - Sputnik International


    On Sunday, North Korea said it conducted its most powerful nuclear test of an advanced hydrogen bomb for a long-range missile. Russian expert Alexander Uvarov however told Sputnik that Pyongyang might have tested not a thermonuclear device but a "boosted device", an atomic bomb that uses some hydrogen isotopes to increase its explosive yield.

    North Korea claimed Sunday that it had successfully conducted a test of a hydrogen bomb, which had generated a 50 kiloton detonation, meaning that the blast was tantamount to exploding 50,000 tons of dynamite. The Japanese Defense Ministry later commented that the yield of the nuclear weapon that had been tested may have been as high as 70 kt, according to preliminarily estimates.

    The bomb, it said, was designed to be mounted on its newly developed intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

    Alexander Uvarov, an editor-in-chief of the Russian website AtomInfo.ru, commented to Sputnik on the test, saying that judging by the announced yield of explosion (just a few dozen kilotons), it might have been not a thermonuclear device in the modern sense of the word, but a so-called "boosted device", an atomic bomb that uses some hydrogen isotopes to enhance its explosive yield.

    "It is a long-established physical principle, offered way back at the end of 1940s - beginning of 1950s, which became one of the stages of development of the thermonuclear programs of the USSR and the US," he told Sputnik.

    A boosted fission device uses a small amount of tritium and deuterium to produce a small-scale fusion reaction just as the fission chain reaction begins.

    The neutrons released by the fusion reactions add to the neutrons released due to fission, allowing for more neutron-induced fission reactions to take place. The rate of fission is thereby greatly increased such that much more of the fissile material is able to undergo fission before the core explosively disassembles.

    In boosted fission devices, the energy from the fusion reaction is insignificant. The point is to produce an intense neutron source. Virtually all the yield is produced by fission.

    In the case of a hydrogen bomb, or a thermonuclear weapon, a fission bomb acts as trigger, this is called the primary stage. The enormous heat, pressure, and x-ray/gamma ray produced start a fusion reaction - the secondary stage.

    The secondary is loaded with fusion fuel: deuterium and tritium. The fusion reaction produces a much greater yield than that of the primary.

    While the atomic bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima yielded a 13-18 kt blast, the yield of the first thermonuclear fusion bomb ("Ivy Mike"), which the US tested in late 1952, totaled 10.4 megatons, making it nearly 700 times more powerful than the first atomic weapon used in modern warfare.
     
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    Not to worry It won't be nuclear. A combination of MOABs, Carpet Bombing and Drone strikes all carried out in one day and Lil Kim and his military will be no more. Followed by massive food drops to the peasants. This ain't your father's war.
     
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    The Successor will be South Korea.
     

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