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  1. Agavegirl1

    Agavegirl1 Silver Miner Site Supporter ++ Platinum Bling

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    I have recently come into a windfall of $93,000. I have decided to pay off hubby's truck for sure so he can use that money to pay off the condo way early. I would like to put at least $5K into PMs. What do you recommend? We have a years supply of food, a homestead property on a lake and I will use some of the funds for landscaping including a garden on our 1.5 acres. We will be buying a full house generator for the house. We also have weapons and ammo. He still works. I am "secmi-retired". I have convinced hubby to keep cash for short term purposes. He objects to PMs but it is my money and he will come around. Also, any recommendations for storage are welcome

    I am partial to silver in my area. People kind of know it and the value. Gold..not so much. They are wary. We have a large Amish and Mennonite presence. Some of them, don't even bother with income tax. Barter is common.

    Help ....? Advice...?
     
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    GOLDZILLA Harvurd Koleej Jeenyus Midas Member

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    Whatever you have left over - send to me. I will cherish the gift and remember you forever. :finished 2:
     
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    Fjpod Silver Member Silver Miner

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    I like 90% silver US. Yes, it has a premium, but is always marketable.
     
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    Gold and cash (half and half). The gold in 50% slabbed St.Gaudens, 25% one ounce Eagles, and 25% one ounce Maple Leafs. The cash in 20s.

    Leg in to all positions so as not to draw attention from the bank or government. Also to dollar cost average the gold.

    Silver is pretty, and it has industrial functions. There is a reason that countries have gold reserves. Silver is going to tank compared to gold.
     
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    Howdy Silver Member Silver Miner

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    A lot would depend on age and current financial situation, i.e. how lucrative your employment is, how much being spent on interest. Also how much you like/hate your current employment and city life. If you're older and hate jobs and city life, move to lake homestead and retire. If younger and like jobs and city, I would just minimize interest payments and hoard silver.
     
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    You have toiled and saved and been smart the whole time,
    Pay yourself and your husband first, take a bit of it and do something, Go see the Sequoia's in Cali, go to Lake Tahoe or something.
    Planning for a future that may or may not come is fine, just don't forget to live while you are at it.

    $5k in pm's would be about 10% of the leftover amount. If you are in a barter area, I wouldn't worry about name plate anything. Pure silver in rounds and bars, no fractionals. Stuff easily recognizable with value without a education session to the trader.

    The rest needs to be put somewhere that draws returns, because inflation is going to value it worthless in time. If it is to sit, then it is better to head for the casino. It has to grow over time.
     
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    <SLV> Gold Member Gold Chaser Site Supporter

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    Notice that silver only does well in an expansionary environment (when business / industry is expanding). In a contractionary environment (economic collapse) gold far out performs. Because "gold is money", not silver.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Montecristo Silver Member Silver Miner

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    I echo the recommendation of 90% silver and Gold American fractional rounds. Generally people object to the premiums which I understand and everyone wants to be as close to spot as possible.
    So my biggest recommendation would be not to rush into it. Take your time visit a few LCS a few times get to know the owners and look for deals. Coin shows can be fun too.
     
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    mayhem Другая перспектива Silver Miner Site Supporter

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    Everyone should have a bag or two. If all else fails it is forth face value and is recognizable to 90% of the people. Silver rounds other than ASE's might be harder to use as currency, remember we are having a huge influx of foriegners that won't trust anything they don't fully understand.
    ^^^Really good advice, really good,^^^ then Scorp has always been out front of things here for the last 12 years that I've been watching.

    The wife and I have silver, gold and cash in small bills. Gold to me is for when things settle down after the slam down, silver to get you to that point. But we have way more money invested into tangible things than PM's. Food, soap, medical supplies, and Ponce's favorite TP, lots of durable clothing, (from thrift stores in many sizes) a good sewing machine and a garage full of tools that I can use to repair things with. If all goes bad, and you can fix things, you should be able to make it. Plus all our vehicles are pre-computer age vehicles that are easy to maintain. Yes I have gas and diesel fuel stored in underground tanks. The Blazer is a diesel the other vehicle is gas., three gensets, including a whole house that runs on propane.

    For us this all started pre 2k so we have accumulated a lot over the years. Now the question is will we live long enough to ever use all the stuff.

    Look around your house. What do you use on a consistent basis, then stock up.
     
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    Weatherman In GIM since 2006 Gold Chaser Site Supporter

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    I agree with Scorpio that it is good to use some of your resources to just enjoy in whatever way that works best for you.

    Absolutely do pay off all high interest rate loans (and try to not take out any new high interest rate loans either). If the mortgage on property is a fixed and low rate, you might want to use the available funds for investment instead of paying down fixed and low interest rate loans. A 30 year mortgage at a fixed rate of less than 4% will be a major asset when inflation begins to surge higher.

    I agree with silver. I cannot imagine that anyone would bet that the price of gold will double to $2,800 before silver doubles to $40. I think a modest amount of 90% would be good to have, and most of the rest in low premium bars or rounds. Be cautious about paying a higher premium for slabs, or even protective plastic pouches to keep silver pretty. Those slabs or plastic protectors make it very difficult to verify that the items are real silver. If I was buying coins from a private seller, I would insist that the coins be removed from slabs or covers so I could weigh and measure diameter and thickness at a minimum.

    You are already way ahead of many people, including me. One suggestion to consider. If you or hubby are interested in something productive as a hobby, you might want to shop for tools (a welding machine, or woodworking items, or ???) to make it better. Ramping up a hobby now can pave the way to an earlier retirement for hubby.

    Diesel would be more expensive now, but the 500 gallon tank you get could turn out to be a great investment. A diesel car could be good too.

    The best advice I have heard is to have a cheap "decoy" safe where it can easily be found, and use it to store a small amount of inexpensive items like 40% silver coins. If someone breaks into your place, they may think they found your best stuff with that safe, and leave the rest of your home in better condition. Your more valuable items can then be hidden in secure locations that would not be easily found.
     
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    I vote for Silver as well. Countries have Gold rather than silver, because silver would take up 75X more space for one thing. Gold also being a timeless metal for jewelry and all sorts of artifacts. You can buy most of your silver at close to spot if you are patient, and wait for the weekly deals. You can actually get one ounce rounds for the same premiums as 10 ounce, or even 100 ounce bars sometimes.
     
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    I look at it like this. You can buy silver anytime, it doesn't take a lot of money to slowly accumulate silver. Gold is a different story. I would take the $5000 and buy gold Sovereigns. They are fractional gold coins recognized around the world and the premium isn't terrible. If you bump into a good sum of money buy gold. If you are setting aside a hundred dollars here and there buy silver. JMHO
     
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    For right now, buy silver. When the gold/silver ratio is very high (which it currently is), its prudent to buy silver. When the gold/silver ratio drops to 40:1 or lower, trade your silver for gold.

    In this way, you maximise the value/purchasing power of your investment.
     
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    Very good responses here. Smooth has a good point about buying gold when I have a windfall like this while accumulating silver over time. I will also be accumulating cash. I do this already and will just do more of it. My husband's retirement accounts are not very flexible and he is quite heavily exposed to the markets. This we can do little about. I'm doing my best to think out of the box here.

    Scorpio, yes I have worked and saved and am fortunate that my lake home is paid for. Hubby and I have every intention of spending our children's inheritance and just returned from our annual summer road trip in August where we visited Sequoia, Yosemite, Lake Tahoe, the coast in the Pacific Northwest among other places. I guess the key is a balance of security, future income, and the old..."You Only Live Once" philosophy.

    I like the idea of some woodworking tools as well. My husband is a good fabricator with metal and machinery. That is kind of what he does. He would like the idea of woodworking and has mentioned it on a number of occasions. The lake house is in an area where there are a number of Amish and Menonites buying up the farms around the area. They are very open to barter of goods and services. There is even a cheese cooperative among them.
     
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    Fjpod Silver Member Silver Miner

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    One of the best investments you can make is to die, owing a million dollars..... Or maybe two.
     
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    Very True.

    With the wave after wave of high premium limited edition, numbered, gimmicky Ag flooding the scene I do think alot of "investors" will find out the hard way (80's comics) (90's sports cards) that Ag is Ag no matter what's stamped on it.
     
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    I would weigh potential gain percentage against loan percentage before giving banks the priority.
    If you carry silver/gold backed debt into inflationary scenario, your cost will diminish, significantly is possible.
    Surprised with the hesitant silver, pro gold proclamations.
    Ratio is imbalanced, mining is closing down, worldwide supply is dwindling, there is a forest or two worth of paper silver contracts with 0-100/500 silver to paper ratio, industrial usage is not decreasing based upon invention of utilization, and gold maybe worth SO much in USD terms it would become a danger to present if and when.

    Never forget; the value of silver and gold does NOT change. The currency with which you may buy or sell silver and gold, DOES.
    That is why the govt's, and banks, have gold as they comprehend the end game.
    That is why 94% of all gold mined remains available.
    Silver beyond utensils, jewelry, and hobby stackers is not stored and is smoke and mirrors availability game on paper.
    Silver is in everything you own or in process of manufacturing it, and does not just sit there on belief cloud nine.

    Round up your PM allocated expenditure by 3000, and make the 3 G's GOLD small denomination, and sliver 5o Ben Franklins into the silver.
    Sincerely expend as Scorpio suggested, time is on its own side and never rests.
    Enjoy your gains in security upon the fronts you elect, and best to you.
     
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    Pay off debt, buy some guns, ammo, clips and cleaning kits, buy some food that can be stored long term and then buy bullion.

    Ask yourself what is it that you would do with the bullion anyway? Buy food or other supplies? Buy the food or whatever it is now while it's cheap.
     
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    #1 -90% silver (kiss)
    #2-make sure you have some green cash on hand
    #3.i personally am buying .223 ammo right now (its cheap and it will double or triple if hillary gets in its not something that i use much)
     
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    I thought I would throw this in for fun. I guess it went over like a lead balloon. But I actually have a friend who says he lives by this.
     
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    Well, if you are trying to think out of the box
    and have your lake home paid for then maybe
    pay forward some re-occurring bills.
     
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    BackwardsEngineeer If I weren't a snowflake, I'd have no luck at all Silver Miner

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    Agave,
    You told us nothing about the debt you hold on the condo or truck and financing options on that whole house generator. If you have a fixed rate loan at a low interest, around 3% on that condo, similar on the truck why are you in a hurry to pay it off? Coming inflation can be shared with the lenders, if you carefully invest your windfall and manage your way out of debt. Too often post windfall, people loose focus and never seem to slowly accumulate pm's over time. You bought into the condo and truck knowing the payments and time period, honor your obligation and those decisions, but this is new money and calls for a new plan. Usually, big ticket items like generators come with low interest financing options, if that is a must have for you consider using future dollars for it rather than dollar cost averaging over time in pm's at probably much higher prices.

    So I would divide the money into 4 $20,000 pots plus the 13k for Scorp's immediate travel/ or your garden area. The four pots divided:

    1. Gold in Sovereigns.
    2. Silver in 90%
    3. Cash in USD.
    4. Small investment account. Follow the rambling's or Sagi's thread for suggestions on what to put it in, but divide it into 4, 5k pieces to learn how to invest. I just opened a position in UVXY, but there are lots of miners that currently are nearing buy signals. Like it or not REAL money is made with money, due diligence and our imaginations, not our time and forced sweat equity after taxes.....
    BE

    Edit to add: Someone loved you enough to leave you a tidy sum, you need to use this in remembrance of them. Don't just give it to the money lenders.... they have plenty of it already. Set yourself up on a different path...... if that debt is less than 100k you can whip it in no time
     
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    IMO windfalls should never be used to pay down debt. The unexpected money should be used for saving only. 50% in PM’s, the rest in the bank/cash, the rainy day fund, etc.

    All debt was acquired with your eyes wide open and should be paid for as you originally established you could.

    Most people that I seem to know that do use windfalls to eliminate/lessen debt will eventually go back into debt again by similar amounts because they can.

    Spending money is easy, going into debt even easier, saving is hard, keeping your savings even harder. Your mileage may vary.
     
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    Hmm...It would be nice to have a few credit balances for utilities around.
     
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    I would put it all in PM's - Gold Is Money and it is as safe a place to put a windfall as anything else I know of these days. I've gone 100% on PM's with windfalls in the past, and I have no regrets.
     
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    We have prepaid our utilities for many years since we started traveling extensively. Originally it was for convience and certainty of payment, since near zero return on checking it has been as insurance against a cypress type event. At one time we did a full two years, this new place we scaled back to one year. We do electric, gas, home, auto, umbrella and HOA. Our county also allows one additional year pre-payment of ad velorum, so once we get rated plan to do two years to them...

    I will tell you it is awesome catching things up quarterly and not having to worry when traveling...
     
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    I understand your point but as I've become older I realize that 'today' is still a part of your life, and you should try and allow yourself something for today, as long as you're comfortable with what you contribute too for tomorrow. That being said, I would peel off a couple of grand and get or do something cool. Put the rest in PMs ;)
     
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    Buy some one ounce rounds from APMEX or JMBULLION or 90% silver junk. you can't go wrong with that stuff.
     
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    I am getting older. Too much in PMs makes it more likely I will be leaving it behind for the kids to fight over. Trying to avoid that. I most certainly will be "peeling off a couple of grand" for a fund trip.
     
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    The thing about gold is it is completely liquid, if you need funds for pleasure or a good deal on something, it takes little effort to get frns from gold.
    One caveat about going 100% on a windfall, it better be at a good buy point, like now, for instance, imo. I've bought from @4.86 silver and gold under $300 and still consider this a good buy time after this 4+year correction. The thing about G&S is it doesn't cost anything to hold it, unlike RE.
     
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    290 Gold Sovereigns. Next question? . . :gracious:


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    Or, 67 - 1oz 9999. pure Gold Buffalo's :2 thumbs up:
     
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    Hey Irons,
    Where would you even get 290 sovereigns? Apmex has 104 and Jm showing 54..... have a trade blossoming on the VIX and have considered adding some myself. Is there a dealer that handles these in volume?
     
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    I wish I did only so I could help. As for me I can only swing 1 to 3 at a time so volume has never been my problem! I would get them where you can, it's probably a good idea to spread your purchases out anyway. Less attention that way.
    I am debt free and my paltry income covers my bills, so I can say without any hesitation if I found myself with a hundred k I would get all the Sovereigns it would buy.
    I love Sovereigns! When I need a car or a motorcycle I sell some. When I have money I buy some.
    If you have enough Sovereigns you just don't worry about much. :2 thumbs up:

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    Me as well, not as much as Agavegirl1's, but it is much closer to that now.
    I enjoyed doing so, knowing those who left behind currency, remember PM's and smile seeing me regain money.
    Now should I blow my boomer parents currency on SUV's, 2nd mortgages, and blue chip stocks !/?
    Just kidding, I told both "Count me out".
    I am not playing that game with those two.
     
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    "a fund trip"... like RVing to LCS all over America ?
    Ha !
    If I could I would troll US LCS and rack, stack, and pack 'em.
    Please send donations to:
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    Only $5k for PMs? May as well buy silver as that amount won't buy much gold and fractional gold from most dealers have too high a premium. Buy "The Silva" baby!

    I recommended to my clueless brother that he buy a monster box of eagles for each of this three sons, bury them on his property, and mail them the GPS coordinates. He probably thought it was a stupid idea.

    If you are willing to spend more that 5k, then look to some cheaper gold. My dealer sells 1 oz gold coins (or fractional to ME) at 3% over spot. Don't know anyone who sells them cheaper.

    Good luck, lady.

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