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Discussion in 'Computers' started by searcher, Dec 10, 2016.



  1. searcher

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    Reason #261 why I still use Windows XP: Old hardware support
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    Published on Dec 5, 2016
    Windows XP is the last version to support a lot of older hardware, especially parallel port devices such as scanners and Zip drives. Getting an HP Scanjet 5100C scanner from 1998 to work in any other operating system is nearly impossible these days, but in Windows XP it is as simple as plugging it in and using Windows' included scanner software.
     
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    I used to have one of those beasts but it was a SCSI based scanner that required a SCSI adapter in your machine to work
     
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    I have an older Dell tower sitting here that runs XP. Runs fine nothing wrong with it.
    Mebbe I should clean it out and put it on Ebay!
     
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    My Commodore Vic-20 is a little slow, but I am used to it.
     
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    I still have a 24 pin Panasonic sheet or continuous feed printer here that the wife keeps trying to throw away. It also has a parallel port cable to hook it up to.

    That thing is part of my history of the late 80's writing code after work, in Basic then starting the printer at midnight, closing the door and let it print for 2-3 hours. Getting up the next morning with my coffee, and going over the printout looking for errors, and then off to work.
     
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    XP was the last great MS OS....Windows 7 was Ok too but XP was solid man! Now I've become a fan of Apple OSX....it just works!
     
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    I have one of those also. Pent-II, 2 gig, w/a 500 mg. drive, running Win 2000 server. Has twin monitor video output, and a 3.5 floppy drive. The thing is a tank compared to today's desktops.
     
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    Now that Linux has matured so well there is no advantage to using the Mac OS. The Mac is running the same chips as a Win machine now, so why pay the steep markup for a name?
     
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    I used to build those when I was a young buck...now there isn't a desktop in the house....all laptops with a ton of compute power compared to the older ones
     
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    Correctumundo! I just picked up a used 13" Macbook air for 500 bucks because of the insanely thin form factor which will make carrying it around at work much easier but that's it; I'm done buying Mac hardware. I've only bought one Mac I would consider expensive, a Macbook Pro 2012 and even that I picked up used. I have never set foot in an Apple store nor will I ever. I don't use Linux because my company's VPN isn't supported on a Linux OS, but OSX is (as well as Windows) and I work 90% of the time from home.

    All that being said I have few complaints with the Mac OS and do have an old IBM Thinkpad I put a solid state drive into and installed Linux. It runs like a gazelle!
     
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    Give it up.
     
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    Here's the thing. I'm an old machine fan myself ... but saying the reason you're sticking with it is because of a lack of drivers for old peripherals is sad. Drivers are easy to port and code. Any programmer can whip new drivers off for you in an hour. Hell ... an e-mails to the OEM will usually new you the source code which is easily modified.
     
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    Sung by KC & The Sunshine Band................

     
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    Yeah understood, and agree.
    Just like I need a server here, otherwise I wouldn't have a desktop. I've even stopped using laptops. I have 3 Chromebooks that I installed SeaBios on and run Linux instead of ChromeOS. Talk about cheap and lightweight. I find myself sitting here at the island in the kitchen more and more every day on this Chromebook surfing the web. I don't have the need for huge system much any longer. I needed it when I was in business, but not do much now. The server runs a couple of wireless routers and modems for all the devices we have. I also allow my neighbor to use my access point because he has been out of work for a couple of years now and ATT wants $80.00+ a month just for a hard line and DSL. Hot spots don't work that well where we are.

    The neighbors have lightly discussed creating a local net here, but I'm the only semi-geek here, and don't really feel like taking on the project at my age.
     
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    I still appreciate a full-blown desktop. My older quad-core is still chugging along, with Hi-res USB sound and an SSD instead of a spinning drive. XP works well but some entities are dropping support for it, like Dropbox. No problem, I just run Dropbox on a server and then map it to XP as a network drive.
     
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    Who would still want to use something so old and limited like zip drives? Also for scanners, you can get those built into new printers.
     
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    4 cores is all you'll ever need for a desktop (until the next big change in coding which will drive the need for more cores) at this point.
     
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    I get it but; there's something to be said for old school thinking
     
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    Shit, when I saw this thread I thought of the computers I used to maintain B5500, Univac 1004 circa 1960. Really old mainframe stuff.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burroughs_large_systems

    B5000[edit]

    The first member of the first series, the B5000,[3] was designed beginning in 1961 by a team under the leadership of Robert (Bob) Barton. It was a unique machine, well ahead of its time. It has been listed by the influential computing scientist John Mashey as one of the architectures that he admires the most. "I always thought it was one of the most innovative examples of combined hardware/software design I've seen, and far ahead of its time."[4] The B5000 was succeeded by the B5500[5] (which used disks rather than drum storage) and the B5700 (which allowed multiple CPUs to be clustered around shared disk). While there was no successor to the B5700, the B5000 line heavily influenced the design of the B6500, and Burroughs ported the Master Control Program (MCP) to that machine.

    Unique features[edit]
    • All code automatically reentrant (fig 4.5 from the ACM Monograph shows in a nutshell why): programmers don't have to do anything more to have any code in any language spread across processors than to use just the two shown simple primitives. This is perhaps the canonical but no means the only benefit of these major distinguishing features of this architecture:
    • Support for asymmetric (master/slave) multiprocessing
    • Support for other languages such as COBOL
    • Powerful string manipulation
    • An attempt at a secure architecture prohibiting unauthorized access of data or disruptions to operations[NB 2]
    • Early error-detection supporting development and testing of software
    • First commercial implementation of virtual memory[NB 3]
    • Successors still exist in the Unisys ClearPath/MCP machines
    • Influenced many of today's computing techniques
     
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    I always liked those first PDA's with windows CE they had. Compaq Ipaq, Casio Cassiopia, etc.. You could use the built in IR to mess with peoples Tv's.
     
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    1986 Wang Advanced PC radio ad (in AM Stereo)
    VWestlife



    Published on Dec 16, 2016
    A radio commercial for a computer store in Hauppauge, NY advertising the Wang Advanced PC, broadcast on 660 WNBC in New York City on August 18th, 1986, featuring DJ Jim Collins as the announcer. The Wang Advanced PC had a faster processor, more RAM, and better keyboard than IBM's PCs, but struggled due to its lack of full IBM compatibility.

    1985 PC Magazine article announcing the Wang Advanced PC: https://books.google.com/books?id=xsM...

    Received in wideband Kahn-Hazeltine AM Stereo on a modified Sansui tuner.


     
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    Pain in the NEC: Vintage computer frustrations
    VWestlife



    Published on Oct 3, 2016
    Working on vintage computers can be challenging, especially when dealing with obscure hardware such as the TEAC CD-55A "SuperQuad" combination 4X CD-ROM and 3½-inch floppy drive, circa 1995: http://books.google.com/books?id=D4gT...

    After experimenting with various different interfaces and drivers, I was able to get it installed and working in my NEC PowerMate SX/16, but it doesn't recognize any CD-ROMs, even old ones that I know work in DOS. It just gives gives the error message "CDROM not High Sierra or ISO-9660 format". Any ideas?
     
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    Richard Thomson's vintage computer collection
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    Published on Nov 17, 2016
    Richard Thomson gave me a tour of his collection while I was on business travel in Salt Lake City. He has quite an impressive collection centered on Computer Graphics, which is his trade. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did!
     
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    Vintage Computer Haul 2.0
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    Published on Aug 19, 2016
    In this video, I look at what I got in my second computer haul.

    Grundy Newbrain AD
    Lambda 8300
    Power 3000
    Atari 1040STFM
    ICL MPS-3000
    8" Floppy Drives

    www.natureandtech.com
     
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    Computer Vlog17: Parting out Dumpster Pentium II 350, 3DFX Voodoo banshee
    RETRO Machines



    Published on Dec 17, 2016
    In this video i part out a nice dumpster machine. And we find alot of cool parts in it. And the case is the same as the Dual pentium II overdrive machine!

    Join our Retro facebook group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/Retro...
     
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    Oh! Dear Lord! I remember having to deal with guys when I worked at Estee Lauder years ago. Ahh! The horror! I am getting Post Traumatic VAR syndrome! :computer:

    :make happy 2:
     
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    They had a Wang tower at Brigade HQs when I was at Fort Ord back in 1989. It was used for one purpose, to "fill in the blanks" on Award Citations. Real expensive replacement for a typewriter. It's the only Wang I ever saw.

    If you like old hardware, you would have liked Weird Stuff Warehouse in San Jose [now out of business]. I loved that place, they had everything from old mainframes to rare early Apple stuff. I would spend hours in there when we drove up to San Jose, my wife and kids hated it, they sat in the parking lot waiting on me. Frys was across the street, but I couldn't afford anything there except for the candy bars and popcorn. Nice to look at what the rich were buying though.
     
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    My Top 5 Retro Computer Channels
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    Published on Dec 18, 2016
    In this video My top 5 channels about retro computers on youtube.
    Please check them out and Subscribe to the channels you like!

    1. PhilsComputerLab
    https://youtube.com/philscomputerlab

    2. Lazy Game Reviews
    https://youtube.com/phreakindee

    3. WaybackTECH
    https://youtube.com/WaybackTECH

    4. The 8-Bit Guy
    https://youtube.com/adric22
    8-bit Keys
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcTt...

    5. The Small Channels

    André Campana Merétika
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQZ3...

    LBX Computer Services
    https://youtube.com/FordMondeoGuy

    Hardware Hackers
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPQv...

    Join our Retro facebook group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/Retro...

    If you like to send me old computer parts please send me a youtube message!
     
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    My 7 vintage keyboards for Daily and Retro use
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    Published on Dec 18, 2016
    I got a lot of questions about the keyboards I use. So in this video I show you my keyboards. I only use 101key keyboards. And I don't own any windows keyboard. I'm in love with compaq keyboards!

    Join our Retro facebook group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/Retro...

    If you like to send me old computer parts please send me a youtube message!
     
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    ThinkPad X60 - Still Amazing After 10 Years
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    Published on Dec 25, 2016
    Despite being 10 years old, the IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad X60 still delivers impressive performance and functionality in a small form factor, especially when upgraded with an SSD. In fact, its CPU is actually faster than many entry-level laptops sold today!
     
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    My son has a R60i that he refuses to give up. My old T23 still manages our church's Quicken 2001 quite effectively.
     
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    Here is my first homebuilt computer.

    These are pictures from someone else's build:
    http://www.stevenjohnson.com/big-board.htm



    The Ferguson Big Board Computer
    Z80 Processor Running CP/M
    by Digital Research Computers

    In the early 1980's the Ferguson Big-Board computer was offered by Digital Research Computers as a bare board, a kit, or a ready-to-go populated board. It was powered by a Z-80 processor with 64K of RAM and designed to run the
    CP/M operating system.

    Since home computers had not arrived yet, I decided to build a Ferguson "Big Board" machine running CP/M so I could do work at home. I purchased the bare board (un-socketed) for $125.00 which came with a parts list, specifications, and schematics.

    The Big Board was just that. All I got was the circuit board. I had to track down the parts, power supplies, switches, connectors, cables, disk drives, keyboard, and then build something to put it all in.

    It took me a couple of months to track down all the parts and ICs for the board. I decided to socket the entire board so it would be easier to troubleshoot and replace the ICs.

    Click on images for a larger view
    [​IMG]
    Ferguson Big Board Ad



    It took another couple of months to find and order all the additional items needed to make this a functional computer to use at home. I purchased two Tandon 8" floppy disk drives, a Keytronics keyboard, and a Zenith "amber" composite monitor.

    The Z80 board, the disk drives, and keyboard all needed cases. When I got tired of soldering, I would work on the cases that everything would eventually be mounted in.

    [​IMG]My Ferguson Big Board mounted in the case

    I milled the face of a blank case to mount the keyboard in and machined blank rack panels to mount all the switches, I/O connectors, fuse holders, cooling fans, and disk drives. The front and rear panels for the board and for the disk drives were mounted on a metal chassis. They were then installed in oak cases with the power supplies. Every power supply voltage for the Big Board and the drives is monitored on the front panels using green LEDs.
    [​IMG]The CPU and Disk Drive Enclosure Back Panels
    After $1,000 in parts and working on my Big Board for almost a year from the day I received the board, it was time to connect everything and turn it on for the first time.

    To my amazement (and everyone else)
    IT WORKED!
    And it kept working with no problems.
    I ran the Big Board at home for a year before the company I worked for switched from S100 Buss CP/M machines to the new DOS based IBM PCs. My CP/M Big Board was now obsolete.
    [​IMG]My completed Ferguson Big Board
    My big Board eventually wound up in the attic. Actually, several moves and several attics. In the Spring of 2006, someone in a forum asked if anyone remembered the Ferguson Big Board. I smiled as I read it and decided to take a trip up to the attic.

    25 years after building it, I brought it down,
    dusted it off, hooked it all up, and plugged it in.

    [​IMG]
    It still works...

    Let's see, B to boot, STAT to check the drives, now where's that WordStar disk?



    More Vintage Computers
     
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    10 things you can do with an old computer
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    Published on Jul 20, 2016
    10 things you can do with an old computer, instead of throwing it out.

    1. Give it to friends or family members. Load some games on it!
    Free to play on steam: http://store.steampowered.com/genre/F...

    2. Format and upgrade. Buy some cheap ram! Use the following link to auto detect your ram or find your computer listing.
    http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/advisor...

    3. Run it as a Boinc server: Boinc site http://boinc.berkeley.edu/
    Boinc footage by: CosplayerTheRealLink

    4. Run it as a media server all you need is an HDMI out. Basically making your computer into a roku.

    5. Harvest for usable parts, build your new machine bit by bit rather than buying all at once.

    6. Create a game server

    7. scrap and sell the parts on Ebay, amazon and sell the metal to a metal recycling facility .

    8. Donate for a Tax deduction.

    9. Make a Steam stream box. Who needs a Console?
    Or you could just by the box here http://store.steampowered.com/app/353...

    10. Use it as a backup for LAN parties, a test repair machine or a render box.
     
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    The "Never Obsolete" eMachines from 1999
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    Published on Jan 10, 2013
    "Never Obsolete," you say? Let us count the errors of your ways.
     
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    First Generation Intel iMac; A Technician's Perspective
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    Published on Jun 28, 2016
    These iMacs ran for many years, but not without issue; this video is intended to be used to inform anyone seeking to preserve one of these units, as they'll undoubtedly become future collectors' items.
     
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    Old Computers Are NEVER Obsolete!!!
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    Published on Feb 24, 2016
    Originally recorded January 28, 2016.

    Many people think that when their computer can't any longer play YouTube videos, go on Facebook, or even just runs slow, they call them obsolete and buy a new computer, only to have the same thing happen in short order.

    Older computers are NEVER obsolete. Most times a computer (even an el-cheapo) can still be usable for several years. It may not be the fastest, but it can get the job done. Oftentimes the machines are overrun by viruses or spyware.

    But there are a lot of people out there that legitimately have an old computer that served them well, but it really did grow "long in the tooth" and really may not be able to handle today's Internet and applications. But that STILL doesn't make that machine obsolete.

    Even a computer back from when the first IBM PC rolled off the assembly line can still be used to do something useful. In this video we will go through machines from that era, through a later era, to an era about 15 years ago, showing just a few tasks that can still be performed by older computers.

    If an old computer no longer can handle today's applications, it may still be able to handle yesterday's applications with ease, and that is why old computers are never obsolete. You don't take dear old Grandma Sally and put her out to pasture, she might still make the best chicken soup you ever had. She may be old, but in no way obsolete. And sadly, after she's gone, nobody will ever be able to duplicate or improve on the soup, only come up with a similar version that's never quite as good. Old computers are NEVER obsolete!
     
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    6 ways older computers were better... and worse
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    Older computers had limitations and are much slower than modern computers but they actually did some things better than pc's today.
    Lets find out what they did better and what they did worse.


     

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