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Discussion in 'Firearms' started by searcher, Feb 13, 2017.



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    Full Auto at 1000m: The 7.92x41mm CETME Cartridge
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    The US insistence on a full-power rifle cartridge for the NATO standard in the 1950s derailed a couple potentially very interesting concepts - including the 7.92x41mm CETME cartridge. This round was developed by Dr. Gunther Voss, formerly of Mauser, while working with other ex-Mauser employees like Ludwig Vorgrimler for the Spanish CETME concern. They were tasked with creating a rifle which could be fired effectively from the shoulder in fully automatic and also be capable of accurate fire out to 1000 meters.

    This seemingly paradoxical concept was cracked by Voss, who designed a bullet which was both light weight to minimize recoil and also had an excellent ballistic coefficient for to retain velocity at long range and - most importantly - also had enough rotational inertia to remain stable at long range. He did this by making an aluminum bullet with a copper racket only around the center portion. The jacket's primary role was to add mass at the maximum diameter of the bullet to provide more rotational inertia for the round.

    This bullet and the rifle built around it (the CETME Modelo 2) did quite well in both Spanish and American testing, as were well on the way to full Spanish adoption when the NATO trials became known. Spain opted to use the new international standard cartridge, but the CETME rifle was not built to withstand the much greater recoil of the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge. Ultimately the rifle res redesigned for handle the NATO cartridge, becoming the CETME Modelo C, but one interim solution was the development of a 7.62x51mm CETME cartridge which was dimensionally identical to the NATO round but used a much lighter 112gr bullet. This round has become the basis for a number of myths about both CETME rifles and the FR-7 and FR-8 bolt action conversions made around the same time.

    Note: I recognize that my statement about the FR-7 being designed for 7.62 NATO ammunition will be controversial, but that is the best reading of historical fact I can come to. As with any surplus rifle, any FR-7 should be inspected by a qualified gunsmith before being fired.

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    Marlin UD-42 from the Dutch Resistance
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    The UD-42 was originally the design of Carl "Gus" Swebilius, who was at the time (1940) working for the High Standard company. It failed to attract interest form the US military, but was appealing to the Dutch government for arming their East Indies colonies. A contract for 15,000 guns was signed, but High Standard did not have the production capacity to fill the order. Instead, the United Defense company took up the contract, and then subcontracted the actual manufacture to Marlin.

    Production startup issues slowed production, however, and it was April 1941 before the first gun was completed. Delivery would not come before the Japanese completed their conquest of the Dutch East Indies, and the guns were repurposed. They were ideal for OSS and SOE use in supplying Resistance organizations in occupied Europe, and the bulk of the guns would be distributed in this way, from Greece to Norway and most everywhere in between. This particular example is in Holland, with provenance back to an OSS covert supply drop.

    Many thanks to the anonymous collector who let me take a look at this piece and bring you a video on it!
     
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    Machine Gun Terminology Part 2: SMG, PDW, & Machine Pistol
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    Today we have Part 2 of machine gun terminology - the small caliber guns. Specifically, submachine guns, personal defense weapons, and machine pistols.

    Submachine Gun: Pistol caliber, fully automatic, and fitted with a shoulder stock. For example, Thompson, MP40, MAS-38.

    Machine pistol: Handgun form factor and fully automatic. For example, Glock 18, Mauser Schnellfeuer, Stechkin.

    Automatic Rifle: Shoulder or hip fired, limited magazine capacity, minimal sustained fire capacity. Examples: M1918 BAR, Chauchat.

    Persinal Defense Weapon: (1) Armor-piercing or (2) holsterable submachine gun, not intended for front line combat. For example, FN P90, H&K MP7, Czech vz.61 Skorpion, Polish PM63 Rak.

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    The All-American M14 did what it was asked to do (Cold War Rifles)
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    Top Five WWII Small Arms
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    Larry gives his picks for the Top Five WWII Small Arms every collector should own.
     
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    Top 10 Things You Didn't Know About The Winchester Model 1894
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    MAS-38 Shooting Fail
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    I have been getting a lot of comments asking when there will be a shooting video with my MAS-38 submachine gun. If has cleared the NFA transfer process, so it's not actually in my possession. So, the next hurdle is finding ammunition. The 7.65 French Long cartridge it uses has been out of production for at least 50 years, and there are only very limited options.

    The best one out there is Buffalo Arms, and I bought some from them (at just over $1/round) when they recently restocked it. Unfortunately, something about the cartridge does not allow it to feed and fire as it should - I'm not yet sure exactly why. This is simply a part of the process for guns with unusual ammunition like this, unfortunately.

    I am going to attempt to get a company like Starline to begin producing proper new brass for the 7.65 French Long, as it would be usable not just in MAS-38 submachine guns but also in the cheap and fairly common 1935A and 1935S pistols.

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    MAT 49: Iconic SMG of Algeria and Indochina
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    The MAT-49 was developed by France after World War Two to satisfy the need for a more modern submachine gun to replace the MAS-38. The military had come around to standardizing on the 9x19mm cartridge for its pistols and subguns, and the 7.65mm MAS-38 was not feasible to convert. All three state arsenals and the Hotchkiss company submitted designs, and the Tulle arsenal won out with a gun that borrows substantially from the American M3 "Grease Gun".

    About 700,000 MAT-49s were produced between 1949 and 1979, when it (along with the MAS 49/56 rifle) was replaced by the FAMAS bullpup rifle. During that time it saw substantial combat in France's colonial wars, notable Algeria and Indochina. Despite being a relatively heavy weapon, it came to be well liked by all who used it for its durability and reliability.

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    Is the Zastava 7.62x25 M57 the best Tokarev ever imported?
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    We've seen a lot of Tokarev, or TT33's, imported over the years but the Serbian Zastava M57 in 7.62x25 quite possibly is the cleanest, best representation of the gun ever imported under our goofy laws. The Zastava M57 Tokarev has one very special feature that I talk about in this video.
     
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    Q&A #16: Lightning Round!
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    Published on Jan 17, 2018
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    Today we are doing a slightly different Q&A format, because I ran a bit short of time to do my usual background research on questions. So instead, we have a Lightning Round of short questions...7 pages of questions. Please et me know what you think of this format - I don't plan to use it frequently, but if you do like it I will occasionally throw one like this into the mix.

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    Snabb Semiauto Conversion of a Dutch Mannlicher
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    Snabb was a Swedish company created to market a system for converting bolt action rifles into semiautomatic rifles. The system was patented in the US in 1938, making this one of the very last attempts at such a conversion. It appears that the company made a substantial number of overtures to many different nations in search of a customer, as Snabb conversions can be found built on a wide variety of rifles - several patterns of Mauser, the US M1917 Enfield, 1903 Springfield, and in this particular case a Dutch Mannlicher. Not surprisingly, no country was shortsighted enough to actually convert its rifles into Snabb semiautos - you will understand why when you see how the rifle works!

    The basic system is a gas trap one, but complicated by the use of a two-part system of interlocking ratchet teeth so that the forward blast of gas from firing pulls the muzzle cap forward, but it is the rearward return of the muzzle cap which actually propels the bolt rearward. The bolt remains a two-lug rotating type, with the manual handle removed and a screw cam added to the rear to convert the rearward movement of the operating rod into a rotary movement to unlock the bolt.

    The strange stock is necessitated by the extension of the receiver to fully enclose the bolt's travel (not necessary with a manually operated bolt action rifle). With that extension, the trigger remains too far forward for a conventional grip, and a pistol grip is required. Snabb probably used the thumbhole style because it is stronger than a standalone grip. On this particular rifle, the original follower in the magazine is missing, but the rifle appears to have remained fed by 5-round Mannlicher clips. In addition, the rifle has been rebarreled in .303 British as part of the conversion, for unknown reasons.

    Finally, it is worth pointing out that there is no "Snabb" marking anywhere on conversions like this one. They are quite distinctive and easy to recognize, but very difficult to research without knowning the name in the first place.

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    Interview: Bill Chase on Restoring Collectible Firearms
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    Today we are speaking with Bill Chase on the subject of restoration of collectible firearms. Mr. Chase is a very talented machinist and artisan, and has substantial experience in restoring firearms, including manufacturing new parts for some very rare and valuable guns. This video was promtped by my discovery that he had purchased a really rough Reifgraber .32 S&W pistol that was featured in a Forgotten Weapons video several years ago, and had restored it to a beautiful new condition. So - what is involved in that sort of work?

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    Wildey Survivor .45 WinMag: Perfect for a Backup Gun Match
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    Thanks to Peter, we have a .45 Winchester Magnum Wildey Survivor to do some video with. I figured the best way to start would be to take it to a Backup Gun match, right? Unfortunately, I had continuous feeding problems despite having (I thought) gotten the gas system properly dialed in. Despite that, the match was still a lot of fun, and I am looking forward to doing more with this behemoth of a hand cannon. Enjoy!

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