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Poll: Drivers Licensing ?

Discussion in 'U.S. Constitution & Law' started by BarnacleBob, May 31, 2017.



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Does Driver Licensing Violate the U.N. Treaty on Human Rights?

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  1. LetterG

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    What I actually mean is, "If my son or wife is in college, at work, out at the local grocery store, or just headed to their home, and He or she becomes a victim of assault or a serious crime, I would like to think it's a great thing if the offender can be identified through a Driver License or vehicle regristration. Can we expect everyone to be honest or do the right thing? Of course we can't. A lot of people are killed by LEO's daily because of putting themselves in a stupid situation. Majority of the time that LEO doesn't know who you are. His safety has to come first because he has a family also. The Game Warden that wrote me the only citation I've ever had, knew me. He didn't even take my firearm from me that was fully loaded. We walked out of the woods together and carried on a conversation. He just said man I'm sorry but you know the deal. I replied, "yes i do, it's going to cost me some money." He knew me and knew I wasnt a harden criminal that would attempt to take his life over something I knew was wrong. They don't always know who you are. We can't expect someone to hire, insure, and retire our children if they are fighting the Police, driving drunk, stealing, assaulting, and lack the responsibility ever 4 years to renew their DL's for 26$. A company or business on the scale that is considered a decent career path can't insure them. They are forced to rely on someone else or work else where that is only slavery with no benefits. Can I expect you to work hard and do what you are supposed to do, if you are not paying your bills or acting like a fool?? I think a lot of times we get mad at the wrong people. Its always easier to bitch or point your finger. The responsible thing is to do your part. If people would do that, myself and others wouldn't have the IRS and other government agencies taking my money or expecting more from me because of unemployable retards that are simply a thorn in society. People breed and raise problems, instead of raising their child to do their part and be responsible. So, "they" are forced to take from the person that is doing what's right. We have to many people expecting a handout. Because they have never been taught. Most people that bitch about a law, is the very person forcing the system to create that law or no one would even be on the topic.. Our children will suffer for everything we lack. My son will have to go through all the Good and Bad, but it's a lot better when you do the right thing. Unfortunately he will have to pay for the ignorance of people who waste their life on stupidity and blow opportunity. He will be taxed for it the way I have and the few, that do the right thing so they can offer their family a good life. We can sure complicate life, if we are not careful. None of us are perfect but if you can't own your choices, you are in trouble and will just become another person eventually we have to feed. I see people in the shop I work in part time on a daily basis. Miserable lives and full of bad choices. Begging for money or forced to live somewhere because they can't make it on their own.. Majority of them began bucking the system, that led to their first trip to jail and the majority are consumed by Meth, Heroin, LSD, Cocaine, or serious Alcohol addictions. But its always someone else's fault. Normally the LEO's. We have to be be willing to accept the outcome. Most just can't. Go live in some of the countries I've lives or served in for months and years at a time, you'll beg to come back I promise you that. Then again, that's part of the problem, most don't know what it's really like. They've been to busy being a problem rather than being a solution. I've heard it called Generational Curses before, I call it stupidity passed down from a ignorant person. Be thankful our LEO's have the restraints they do in the U.S. most places I've been, they will kick your ass and then ask questions after you regain consciousness.
     
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    cool submit and comply. That is how we got here.

    edit: what was it that guy said? Oh"he who would give up freedom for security deserves neither." was some blowhard from years ago I thinks.
     
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    Funny how going along to get along seems to require more and more incursions into your privacy and liberties all the time. Weird how that works.

    Perhaps today we just suck it up, bow and grovel before our so called public servants, and tomorrow we ask if we can please leave our sustainable development compound.
     
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    Naw, we pay for the privileges they let us have.
    Once a right turned to privilege is now a millstone. bear the yoke of burden that has been placed upon you by yourself in thinking a fiction has more to say than you. It is a wonder that, that 1/3 of the people actually got that 1776 war accomplished as it would not happen today.
     
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    @ LetterG... there is only one sovereign in the united States since the passage of the 14th & 17th Amendments, the Federal .gov. Any person natural or otherwise that claims they are a sovereign citizen in a courtroom deserves exactly whatever the judge dishes out to them. A sovereign holds property in allodium, a sovereign possesses the ability to defend himself & his property from persons, corps, foreign states, etc., a sovereign can declare laws & create money.... etc., etc., etc..

    In this nation the 3 branches of the body politic declares that we are a nation of laws as guided by the federal & state constitutions operating under rule of law... when ipso facto we are actually under fascist corporate law of rule. The peoples dejure "common law" & common law rights & remedies have been defacto replaced with a foreign "fourth branch" ministerial statutory "law merchant" jurisdiction. ALL crimes are now considered operating in commerce

    Commercial crimes. Any of the following types of crimes (Federal or State): Offenses against the revenue laws; burglary; counterfeiting; forgery; kidnapping; larceny; robbery; illegal sale or possession of deadly weapons; prostitution (including soliciting, procuring, pandering, white slaving, keeping house of ill fame, and like offenses); extortion; swindling and confidence games; and attempting to commit, conspiring to commit, or compounding any of the foregoing crimes. Addiction to narcotic drugs and use of marihuana will be treated as if such were commercial crime. -- 27 CFR 72.11

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/72.11

    The dejure state & federal constitutions only recognize & authorize three judicial jurisdictions: law (common), equity (contract disputes & enforcement) & maritime-admiralty (martime commerce). No other judicial proceedings are enumerated in the organic law.

    The administrative ministerial statutory jurisdiction is "PRIVATE" legislative commercial law that operates in a private corporate capacity outside of the enumerated written & unwritten constitutions. It operates privately outside of the constitutional LIMITATIONS on .gov power & authority. The so called judiciary are private federal Article 1 legislative commercial courts, while the several states & their courts operate in the same defacto capacity.

    The Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation & Constitutions were expressly written to place limitations on .gov authority & power, as time & political experience has shown that one group of men would capture the machinery of government & use it to exploit the multitudes. The use of private lex merchatoria (law merchant) was the battering ram used in Europe against the masses.

    When .govs of every kind assume the role of operating in commerce, they are in theory & at law not immune to the public laws, hence they are no different than a private citizen. The problem arises when they employ unconstitutional private legislated commercial law & the public police power to enforce their PRIVATE business models to enrich themselves. This was the exact reason that the colonists in 1776 rebelled against the king!

    "That all (political) power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness; -- Art. I, sec. 1 Tenn. Const. (my emphasis added)

    "That government being instituted for the common benefit, the doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind." -- Art. I, sec 2 Tenn Const. (my emphasis added)

    "The right to be free from intimidation, harassment and abuse throughout the criminal justice system." Art. I, sec. 35b Tenn Const. (my emphasis added)

    "The Legislature shall pass no law authorizing imprisonment for debt in civil cases." -- Art. 1, sec 18 Tenn Const.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Article_I,_Tennessee_Constitution

    Throughout the history of antiquity servitude, slavery, servants & slaves alike have always in & at law been "units of commerce" that were traded, sold & bartered as merchants then masters property. In Rome & other nations there were 2 bodies of law, one for the freemen & one for the slaves. The slaves were beholden to the Roman civil statute law! (HINT, HINT).

    Since all crimes are commercial crimes as exhibited @ 27 CFR 72.11 it means that any person charged or accused of a crime is also a slavish unit of commerce...

    I certainly DO NOT want a future for my children & grandchildren where .gov rule, regulation & law making is unlimited & at the mercy of the dictates of political graft & corruption by the greed & avarice of billionaire CEO's & financiers, insurance companies, Wall Street investors & bankers, etc., etc. etc.... Either we have the right to enjoy unlimted liberty & freedom or we do not! We cannot survive as exploitable half loot & half ryot at the mercy of legislative puppets being controlled by the will of men hiding in the shadows.... Either we have operational constitutions or we do not! One cannot be half pregnant, nor can one be half free!!!

    Heck we dont even own anything, everything we possess or will possess in the future has been hypothecated as collateral for the phony money & credit flotations!!! To wit:

    mortgage of the people.jpg

    Its sad to admit but Americans have been reduced to Ryot tenants living in Ryot tenures on the land:

    RYOT. In India. A peasant, subject, or tennant of house or land. Wharton

    RYOT-TENURE. A system of land-tenure, where the government takes the place of landowners and collects the rent by means of tax gatherers. The farming is done by poor peasants, (ryots), who find the capital, so far there is any, and also do the work. The system exists in Turkey, Egypt, Persia, and other Eastern countries, and in a modified form in British India. After slavery, it is accounted the worst of all systems, because the government can fix the rent at what it pleases, and it is difficult to distinguish between rent and taxes. ~~Blacks Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition (4th ed), page 1499

    Sad to say... but there it is! And what I find most disturbing is that the majority will protest, fight & even die to maintain their servitude... its as if free will & liberty with its concurrent duties & responsibilities have departed from their consciousness replaced by socialism & the risk free shit mentality.

    The patsy and the culprit

    http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1496556180.php

    3 QUESTIONS YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ASK ABOUT LIFE IN A SICK SOCIETY

    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/05/29/3-questions-youre-not-supposed-ask-life-sick-society/
     
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    ahhhwhaaa. how refreshing. I was going to send a thing in the mail, and I am still going to but not as I wanted to do. I just whished all this crap was out in the open. Like a goes to B and B->C and on and on....but it is not that way. It is always a gleaning to get the measure and one is not ever sure the glean will measure out. So it is Don Quixote and windmills till one dispatches the thing and then the owner comes for damages.
     
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    No Plates, Trooper stops everyone but me, see Why?
    Posted: 3rd September 2013 by admin in for hire, Motor Vehicle,Registration, Travel Rights
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    This week I drove 2000 miles with friends from Nebraska to Idaho.

    I watched diligently the whole trip, only seen one trooper car on the way up and one on the way back, not one was making a stop at the time.
    Now that same week I drove between Omaha, Nebraska to Lincoln, Nebraska, 90 miles round tripe and I seen 5 to 7 troopers, and several were in the process of issuing citations.
    Now the same week I drove 10 miles into Iowa, and saw 2 troopers, both issuing citations.
    Now think about it, Nebraska is the only state that has a unicameral verses a bicameral, for what they claim is more efficient, but the truth is that it is much easier to make a police state with only one legislative body to get laws passed through.

    Police stopping people 100 times more than in other states is a sign of a “police state”.

    On 9-2-2013 I was traveling out of Nebraska and into Iowa on a moderate high traffic highway where the state troopers frequent.
    They love to sting people for no seatbelts, expired plates, you name it the stop you for it.

    I was in my RV, no plates, no state registration, I do have liability insurance at 68$ a month. I put in 100$ of fuel a month and 68$ for insurance, what a rip.

    Well a trooper watched me go by as he was just done writing a citation, I speed up to 75 in a 65 hoping to get to a safe place to stop if he did pull me over, he must of went 120 miles an hour to catch me and then he pulled up to my left side and looked me over, for about 30 seconds, as I backed down to 65 MPH, then he got close behind me for about one minute, then he ‘jurkedly’ pulled to my right side and looked me over, all this in about a quarter mile of driving, then he just slowly pulled over on the side of the road and stopped.

    This is what my plate said:

    Private Household Good,
    Non-Commercial Use,
    Not For Hire.
    402-957-2853 Paul John Hansen

    If he did pull me over I would show him that my recorder is in my hand.
    Then ask what determination of probable cause did you witnessed to pull me over?
    He will say no plates.
    I’ll then say what evidence do you have that this vehicle is a type or in a use that requires a plate in his jurisdiction?
    I’ll then say that I believe that the United States Code and Court Opinions only allow him to detain me for 10 minutes then he must issue begin issuing me a citation, arrest me, or let me go.
    After 10 minutes I will demand that I be allowed to exercise my liberty to leave, and if he refuses. I will tell him that I am making an arrest upon him and demand that he only Identify himself in writing to me so that I can serve him a summons to appear in a community court to answer for this stop.

    You see no state employee, of all 50 states, has authority to stop a vehicle for not having plates unless they have probable cause that it is involved in commerce at that time, in a state jurisdiction, or causing a disturbance, or the operator is doing a crime, or reasonably believed to have done a crime.

    Paul John Hansen 9-3-2013

    Click HERE to view the list of foundational information created by Lawyer Paul John Hansen to aid in independence from the US System.
     
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    Automobile v. Motor Vehicle, per state written law.
    Posted on February 13, 2017 by Paul John Hansen
    2006 Nebraska Revised Statutes – § 60-3,184 — Motor vehicle tax and fee; terms, defined.
    Section 60-3,184
    Motor vehicle tax and fee; terms, defined.

    For purposes of sections 60-3,184 to 60-3,191:

    (1) Automobile means passenger cars, trucks, utility vehicles, and vans up to and including seven tons;

    (2) Motor vehicle means every motor vehicle and trailer subject to the payment of registration fees or permit fees under the laws of this state and every cabin trailer registered for operation upon the highways of this state;

    ((Hansen comments – Note the automobile is not subject to registration, or permit fees.)))

    (3) Motor vehicle fee means the fee imposed upon motor vehicles under section 60-3,190;

    (4) Motor vehicle tax means the tax imposed upon motor vehicles under section 60-3,185; and

    (5) Registration period means the period from the date of registration pursuant to section 60-392 to the first day of the month following one year after such date.

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    • Laws 2005, LB 274, § 184
    ~Revised Statutes Supplement, 2006


    >>>

    2006 Nebraska Revised Statutes – § 60-509 — Automobile liability policy; corporate surety bond;effective when; limits; notice of accident; duty of insurance company or surety company.
    Section 60-509
    Automobile liability policy; corporate surety bond; effective when; limits; notice of accident; duty of insurance company or surety company.

    No such policy or bond shall be effective under section 60-508 unless issued by an insurance company or surety company authorized to do business in this state, except that if such motor vehicle was not registered in this state or was a motor vehicle which was registered elsewhere than in this state at the effective date of a policy or bond or the most recent renewal thereof, such policy or bond shall not be effective under section 60-508 unless the insurance company or surety company, if not authorized to do business in this state, shall execute an acknowledgment that the company shall be amenable to process issued by a court of this state in any action upon such policy or bond arising out of such accident. Every such policy or bond is subject, if the accident has resulted in bodily injury, sickness, disease, or death, to a limit, exclusive of interest and costs, of not less than twenty-five thousand dollars because of bodily injury to or death of one person in any one accident and, subject to such limit for one person, to a limit of not less than fifty thousand dollars because of bodily injury to or death of two or more persons in any one accident and, if the accident has resulted in injury to or destruction of property, to a limit of not less than twenty-five thousand dollars because of injury to or destruction of property of others in any one accident. Upon receipt of a notice of such accident, the insurance company or surety company which issued such policy or bond shall furnish, for filing with the department, a written notice that such policy or bond was in effect at the time of such accident.
     
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    Twilight Of The Courts: The Elusive Search For Justice In The American Police State

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    Authored by John Whitehead via The Rutherford Institute,



    “As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air – however slight – lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.”—Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas

    We have entered a new regime and it’s called the American police state.

    As the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in County of Los Angeles vs. Mendez makes clear, Americans can no longer rely on the courts to mete out justice.

    Continuing its disturbing trend of siding with police in cases of excessive use of force, a unanimous Court declared that police should not be held liable for recklessly firing 15 times into a shack where a homeless couple—Angel and Jennifer Mendez—was sleeping.

    Understandably, the Mendezes were startled by the intruders, so much so that Angel was holding his BB gun, which he used to shoot rats, in defense. Despite the fact that police barged into the Mendez’s backyard shack without a search warrant and without announcing their presence and fired 15 shots at the couple, who suffered significant injuries (Angel Mendez suffered numerous gunshot wounds, one of which required the amputation of his right leg below the knee, and his wife Jennifer was shot in the back), the Court once again gave the police a “get out of jail free” card.

    Unfortunately, we’ve been traveling this dangerous road for a long time now.

    In the police state being erected around us, the police and other government agents can probe, poke, pinch, taser, search, seize, strip and generally manhandle anyone they see fit in almost any circumstance, all with the general blessing of the courts.

    Whether it’s police officers breaking through people’s front doors and shooting them dead in their homes or strip searching motorists on the side of the road, these instances of abuse are continually validated by a judicial system that kowtows to virtually every police demand, no matter how unjust, no matter how in opposition to the Constitution.

    These are the hallmarks of the emerging American police state: where police officers, no longer mere servants of the people entrusted with keeping the peace, are part of an elite ruling class dependent on keeping the masses corralled, under control, and treated like suspects and enemies rather than citizens.

    While the First Amendment—which gives us a voice—is being muzzled, the Fourth Amendment—which protects us from being bullied, badgered, beaten, broken and spied on by government agents—is being disemboweled.

    A review of critical court rulings over the past decade or so, including some ominous ones by the U.S. Supreme Court, reveals a startling and steady trend towards pro-police state rulings by an institution concerned more with establishing order and protecting the ruling class and government agents than with upholding the rights enshrined in the Constitution.

    Police can stop, arrest and search citizens without reasonable suspicion or probable cause.

    Police officers can stop cars based on “anonymous” tips or for “suspicious” behavior such as having a reclined car seat or driving too carefully.

    Police officers can use lethal force in car chases without fear of lawsuits.

    Police can “steal” from Americans who are innocent of any wrongdoing. Asset forfeiture laws, which have come under intense scrutiny and criticism in recent years, allow the police to seize property “suspected” of being connected to criminal activity without having to prove the owner of the property is guilty of a criminal offense.

    Americans have no protection against mandatory breathalyzer tests at a police checkpoint.

    Police can forcibly take your DNA, whether or not you’ve been convicted of a crime. A divided U.S. Supreme Court determined that a person arrested for a crime who is supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty must submit to forcible extraction of their DNA. In doing so, the Court opened the door for a nationwide dragnet of suspects targeted via DNA sampling.

    Police can use the “fear for my life” rationale as an excuse for shooting unarmed individuals. Incredibly, a report by the Justice Department found that half of the unarmed people shot by one police department over a seven-year span were “shot because the officer saw something (like a cellphone) or some action (like a person pulling at the waist of their pants) and misidentified it as a threat.”

    Police have free reign to use drug-sniffing dogs as “search warrants on leashes.”

    Not only are police largely protected by qualified immunity, but police dogs are also off the hook for wrongdoing. The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals actually ruled in favor of a police officer who allowed a police dog to maul a homeless man innocent of any wrongdoing.

    Police can subject Americans to strip searches, no matter the “offense.” This “license to probe” is now being extended to roadside stops, as police officers throughout the country have begun performing roadside strip searches—some involving anal and vaginal probes—without any evidence of wrongdoing and without a warrant.

    Police can break into homes without a warrant, even if it’s the wrong home.

    Police can use knock-and-talk tactics as a means of sidestepping the Fourth Amendment. Aggressive “knock and talk” practices have become thinly veiled, warrantless exercises by which citizens are coerced and intimidated into “talking” with heavily armed police who “knock” on their doors in the middle of the night.

    Police can interrogate minors without parents present.

    It’s a crime to not identify yourself when a policeman asks your name. A majority of the high court agreed that refusing to answer when a policeman asks “What’s your name?” can rightfully be considered a crime under Nevada’s “stop and identify” statute.

    Police can carry out no-knock raids if they believe announcing themselves would be dangerous. Legal ownership of a firearm is also enough to justify a no-knock raid by police.

    The military can arrest and detain American citizens.

    As I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, we are dealing with a nationwide epidemic of court-sanctioned police violence carried out against individuals posing little or no real threat, who are nevertheless subjected to such excessive police force as to end up maimed or killed.

    When all is said and done, what these assorted court rulings add up to is a disconcerting government mindset that interprets the Constitution one way for the elite—government entities, the police, corporations and the wealthy—and uses a second measure altogether for the underclasses—that is, you and me.
     
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    Sure makes you wonder how law men were able to get their man before the police state.
     
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    Yes it does...!!! Kinda like the false sense of security that DL's, reg & lic plates supposedly provide. Thieves, criminals & terrorists have throughout history created false aliases combined with fake identification, they have stolen automobiles then swapped license plates to hide themselves in plain view... once again we find the argument in support of the scam baseless, as thieves, criminals & terrorists hold the law in contempt!

    The ? concerning the DL & reg scam is are the rules & regs promoted as "public safety" reasonable?

    Seems to me that if the scheme was reasonable & promoting public safety, a DL would only need to be issued once in a life time. A reasonable one time test to insure that the operator of an automobile is certified that he/she understands the signage, common rules of the road & possesses the necessary skills, ability & capability to properly control the machine I think is possibly acceptable. IMO requiring a compulsory renewal of a DL every 4 or 6 years is nothing more than profiteering by the state and predatory financial exploitation of the populace. For the DL holder has previously proven that they do possess all of skills to safely travel in an automobile on the public roads & conveyances... there is absolutely no logical compelling need under the banner of "public safety" to require renewals of a DL.

    Secondly does automobile registration, plates & annual renewals promote public safety? Of course not... once an automobile receives a title, reg & plate there is no compelling argument to support the annual renewal under the guise of public safety & general welfare. The only justifiable occurence for additional fees that may be required would be a small transfer fee from the existing registrant to a new registrant.

    As we can observe, automobile licensing & registration renewals are completely devoid of any nexus to providing any measure of public safety. The scam is merely another tax to increase the revenues of the state at the expense & loss of both common & constitutional rights of the common traveler.

    I'm reminded of a very important written historical document that is applicable today as it was one the day it was written.

    "He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."

    "He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:"

    "For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:"

    "For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:"

    "For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:"

    "He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."

    "In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

    https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

    The foregoing are excerps from the Declaration of Independence 1776. Did these men perform the right & proper things? According to the King they were criminals & terrorists, and this is a truism, as the King as the sovereign owned & licensed the north american colonies & commerce, the colonists by king law were his subjects that owed complete loyalty & fealty to the king. Colonists that did Not consent or agree with the king or followed his decrees was a crime of the highest magnitude regardless of even the most trite or petty decrees & laws.

    According to King Law as sovereign authority the small group of radical minorities possessed the political & religious duty & obligation to do "the right thing" and to capitulate & consent to the kings authority & abuses.

    Its a good thing for us & our posterity that the signers of the Declaration claimed & fought the revolutionary war and they rejected "the divine right of kings....

    "debuit ac potuit" (He who is silent, when he ought to have spoken and was able to, is taken to agree) — Latin proverb

    The maxim is "Qui tacet consentit": the maxim of the law is "Silence gives consent". If therefore you wish to construe what my silence betokened, you must construe that I consented. — Thomas More in A Man for All Seasons[

    The colonists petitioned the king repeatedly seeking redress of grievances, remedy & relief from their daily plunder & exploitation. The king turned a deaf ear to their pleas, for he was a major beneficiary of the plunder & exploitation of the colonists labor & wealth creation.... Plainly with every grievance he received he just added more plunder & exploitations...

    There is this law that supercedes the divine law... and that is called natural law. If I kill a man that is attacking me with the intent to injure or kill me, and I kill him to defend myself, its still murder in the eyes of the divine law. The civil law recognizes the natural law as there are no legal consequences for justifiable homocide when defending ones corpus from an attacker with the intent of causing injury or death.

    The Declaration signers used the rights contained in the natural law to overcome the divine law & divine rights of kings. These men did the wrong thing per divine right while doing the right thing per the natural law.

    And here we are once again facing the same legal plunder & exploitations... How do we know this? Its very simple, when the exercise of natural rights whatever they may be are outlawed & deemed illegal & metaphysically by proclamation are transformed into a privilege , you better believe someones got a scheme & scam operating to enhance their authority, monopoly & profits by compulsion. Compulsion is only used when voluntary consent cannot be acquired....

    "But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime." --The Law, Frederick Bastiat

    And of course its easy to observe just who & what classes of persons are the beneficiaries of the legal plunder & exploitations.

    "The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

    If the state can regulate enumerated & unenumerated constitutional rights such as 2A & the right to travel then it stands to reason that they can & will use the law perverted to enrich themselves & their cronies.

    This is much deeper than merely DL, reg & plates, for as we have seen automobile insurance that was once voluntary is now compulsory thru private legislation... the insurance industry is responsible for creating all kinds of new laws such as air bagged equipted automobiles, the compulsory wearing of seat belts, etc... How about the drug industry buying legislators and forcing compulsory vaccinations... the same industry that fakes drug tests & is responsible for todays opiod crises sweeping the nation yet they enjoy legislated immunity from civil damages by their drugs..... The health care & health insurance industries employing the law perverted under the Obama Administration passed compulsory heath care legislation dressed up as taxes no less! Sheesh! Compulsory education has been a blessing for the Teachers Union while the Petro-Chemical monopolies have used the law perverted & regulations to prevent fuel efficient economical automobiles from entering the U.S. market by both foreign & domestic producers, this keeps demand for their product from declining... There is of course the institutionalized lawful daily thefts by wallstreet & the banking industry robbing small investors... The Military Industrial "death" Complex (MIC) is always starting wars & inventing new enemies to suck the taxpayers dry forever... Worst of all is our corrupt Congress who has legalized "insider trading", generous health care & pensions for life for themselves. This list could go on for pages... simple fact is that we the lil people are being plundered & exploited to death by the law perverted and the special interests that have seized the machinery of .gov.... And it all started when the first constitutional rights were LOST & transformed into regulateable PRIVILEGES.

    There is no more decency, security & liberty! SCOTUS got it right in 1966... its been all down hill ever since.

    "Decency, security and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subjected to the same (page #480) rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen. In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that, in the administration of the criminal law, the end justifies the means…would bring terrible retribution. Against that pernicious doctrine this Court should resolutely set its face." -- Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966) (USSC+).
     
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    Speaking of small minds and trolls, of which I believe are one and the same, I wonder if it actually knows the truth, and is just being pedantic secondary to a salary and or lifestyle, or it is truly clueless...
     
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    At 1 hour 17 minute mark:
    Mens rea
    Mens rea is the mental element of 1 intention to commit a crime or 2 knowledge that one's action or lack of action would cause a crime to be committed. It is a necessary element of many crimes.

    IF your intent is good, you are not guilty in most criminal prosecutions.
    Myrland argues that right to travel is secondary to the law trying to rob us via applying a fee to a non-commercial activity.
     
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