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Discussion in 'Site Activity/Suggestions' started by Mr.Jens, Jun 10, 2015.



  1. Mr.Jens

    Mr.Jens Seeker Seeker

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    I think it is poor form for mods to delete users posts for no reason. I am not the only way who had my post deleted.

    If I understand the forum rules correctly it boils down to:

    1. No porn
    2. No personal attacks
    3. No advertising

    None of the posts deleted by the mods voided any of those rules of the forum. What is the point of having a discussion forum if posts that someone doesn't like just get deleted because they don't like them? What is the agenda? If I want want to be in a community where disenting voices are deleted, I'll go back to kitco forums.

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    the_shootist The war is here on our doorstep! Midas Member Site Supporter ++

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    Same here...we got issues.....Too bad, I liked this site too
     
  3. Scorpio

    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    every one of those were questioning the rules and procedure, and many were left with deleted msgs rather than removed so all could see what happened,

    you want to argue the validity of it, by all means, give me hell here, but we don't need 10 guys all telling us this isn't right or whatever in the same thread,

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    on to the thread,

    yes, a judgement call was made to let the guy in and post. Clearly at registration with his name you could see it, and I let it thru. Then he came in and added commentary rather than just bombing us, then followed later with updates.

    while members could have asked him about the info or argued that, instead it went into a shit fight about whether or not it should even be here,

    as I tried to state in the thread, I welcome newsletter writers that want to come here and contribute, and if I have to give a little to get a window into their thoughts, ie letting them link back, what is so wrong about that?

    I put up their articles already and link back to them, so what is different?

    If the guy was coming here and just bombing us, that is different, and one of his posts earlier in the thread was also deleted accordingly,

    Wouldn't it be a good thing if more of the newsletter writers would come and explain their positions or contribute? That is the attempted experiment guys, nothing nefarious about it. Just looking to add better information, or right from some sources if possible.

    Hope that helps,
     
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    Mr.Jens Seeker Seeker

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    I thought the rules were binding for everyone and that we were all relegated to the same rules. Didn't realize certain posters could avoid certain rules and get exemptions.

    Can I get an exemeption to advertise on this forum for free somehow?

    Rules from "The Founders" seem pretty clear cut to me. I don't see how any of the posts that were deleted from the thread voided any of those. If anything, the new member voided the forum rules by breaking rule #2.


     
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    No it doesn't help, as it still violated the principles and rules of this forum.

    If you aren't going to follow the rules that are currently in place, why even have them?
     
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    It would be nice if the moderators would delete the "The evil Joos picked on poor Adolf" threads.
     
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  7. Scorpio

    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    now we are getting somewhere,

    guys, you are free to question the decision, by all means,

    it is a experiment to make the forum better,

    part of that was the person posting would also have to accept the fact when members call them on their content, and question it accordingly.
    and if they choose to not respond to a members questions, then they have only 1 purpose here and that is spamming,

    so I get what you are saying, but by the same token, it would be great to hear first hand from some of the persons putting out these letters, getting input beyond their newsletters,

    that is the attempt anyway,

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    as for the next question, and a fair one at that, does GIM get anything out of it? No, I don't even know who this poster is to answer that.

    so no, not being paid for it

    which you might then reply, well that is stupid! And you would be right, but the dough isn't what this is about.

    I will add that the mods were not aware of all this, so the blame resides with me, it isn't their fault

    and if it turns out to be a failed experiment, so be it, we will know in the fullness of time

    btw Mr. Jens, I am one of the original 8 Founders and have been doing this since 2001,

    lot of forums have come and gone, new ones spring up, and yet we are still here. Don't know if it is because we try to adapt, improvise, and change as stuff presents itself, but maybe that has a little to do with it?
     
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  8. Scorpio

    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    fwiw, there are also 2 other Founders of the original 8 still around,

    those are Founding Fathers and Barnacle Bob,

    they still care enough after all these years to hang out and pitch in,

    but then again, many of the members here have been with us a long long time, and they have IMO every right to question some of these decisions,

    I take no issue with that, or any of the more recent members questioning the workings of the place,
     
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  9. michael59

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    wow I am guilty of some of those:

    did that one today, apologized i did but still guilty.

    I never seen any one's post get popped or deleted but just by them who posted it..... you know what? Maybe the earth is flat and I just ain't seeing it yet....
     
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    917601 Mother Lode Found Mother Lode

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    I will chime in. I have had moderators remove some posts and move some posts. I did not see the reason for it, however they always gave some type of reason.I take the stand it is a private forum, does an owner need a reason to kick you off his private property? As a visitor, I can chose to leave, chose to hit an ignore button, be banned, or chose to stay -which means following the rules (that I do not always understand.) As long as the traffic remains high, means something is working.This place is like a church, the good ones prosper, grow, and are around for many years, the bad ones wither way and disappear.
     
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    917601 Mother Lode Found Mother Lode

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    Some people have never left the state of Texas, took an airplane ride, or visited the Sears Tower.
     
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  12. michael59

    michael59 heads up-butts down Site Supporter ++ Platinum Bling

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    you're a boob....and oh i give up i am sure you already...oh how could you not? I amlaughing so much I can't even type.... texas hahahhahha never looking back hahahh

    oh darn is that a personal attack/? K, i'l work on it but don't hold ur breath... :)
     
  13. michael59

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    So I have a question as we are talking about reply's and such.... Why is it when I log in and go to a thread that I want to see all the replys to, why is it I have to scroll up after I have clicked on 'latest reply' thingy to see what I have missed? Is it because I have my history turned off?

    Just a question, just a question....
     
  14. searcher

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    Take this FWIW..................

    Lately we have had a several members who go into threads and post nosensical political and religious crap that doesn't have any thing to do with the thread. Some of this is so far off the original post it's bizzarre. Recently I had some one post some religious crap in the "metal detecting" thread and actually tout a book at the same time. I sent this clown a PM and asked him why he did it. The cowardly nut job didn't have the decency to answer me............cowardly piece of garbage he is.

    Then we have the Nazi cats. They seem to like coming into threads that have nothing to do with religion or politics and slinging their "joos bad - nazis good" nonsense. Not cool at all. I don't really care about their beliefs. Just don't like them hijacking threads.

    Why don't these cats simply start their own threads? Not really hard to do and it would be a lot better for all.
     
  15. michael59

    michael59 heads up-butts down Site Supporter ++ Platinum Bling

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    so what the hedoublehockeysticks was that saying of the amount of time it takes a thread to go to natzisum? Oh darn I was just commenting on how close i was and am to some of those points listed....

    but you know I have never see a post/reply deleted by someone other than the one who posted it.......*I know the edge of the earth is around here somewhere*
     
  16. dpong

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    Because it takes you to the actual latest reply. That's just how it works.
     
  17. Scorpio

    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    searcher,

    we can't read the whole board,

    so for us to guess where these issues are just cannot be expected,

    so having said that, unless a post is reported, then we don't know about it should be the assumption, and we can review it then

    as if one person is seeing it and thinking it, very likely more are seeing it the same way, just not saying anything about it.

    and there have been cases of reported posts, where they were reviewed and left alone. Typically the mods and I will discuss them and decide if it is a problem or not.

    while with others action is taken asap on them,

    those are all on a case by case basis as they get reported,
     
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    naw depong... cuz when i finished eating and picked up this puter your post was the first and then scorpio.... naw I think it has something to do with memory....memory which I chose not to be kept.... oh well enough of derailing this thread oppsie there I crossed another line.... darn eye do try though....

    such a rule breaker....wonder I am still alive... :)
     
  19. TAEZZAR

    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    I think I'll chime in on this with an analogy:
    Visiting this forum is analogous with being invited into someones home for a meeting or discussion.
    The owner of the home sets rules, as he sees fit, to keep continuity & peace in the group.
    Except for Scorp, FF & BB, we are all guests & should act accordingly.
    If you do not want to follow the rules, simply go somewhere else.
    Personally, I think this is a GREAT place & the mods give ya more than enough rope to hang yer self.
    Constructive criticism is also a good thing.
     
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    BUILT TO LAST Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Meh. . . .
     
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  21. Scorpio

    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    Hey up Taezz,

    gonna argue the point about it being a personal hidey hole with a few in charge,

    We have always thought it to be different, wherein there are no owners, that we are caretakers of this GIM idea,
    That while we are entrusted with the keys to the place, that we would do our best to run it for all the members,
    And that when a man goes down, next man up carries the same flag, protect the idea, not the ownership,

    When the next person takes operational control, they too will be tasked accordingly, protect the members and the GIM idea,
    and to do what is right rather than what is expedient.

    That is just how I see it anyway,
     
  22. argentos

    argentos Former Boat Owner Gold Chaser

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    I once reported a post, a long time ago, but I don't like making trouble so it took some soul-searching before I did it.
    I suppose we all ought to help more by doing our bit to help the mods.
     
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  23. the_shootist

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    Scorpio,

    I admire your patience and understanding within this thread. I moderate another site (gun building) and am impressed with your professionalism, openness, honesty and candor. I've seen many examples of moderators displaying a God complex and become more of a dictator that a 'manager'. You certainly don't see that as your role. I'm pleased to be a member here and look forward to learning more every day from the fine members in the group.
     
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  24. Scorpio

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    argentos,

    it always is a tough call, because some of us have become so thick skinned about some of this stuff that what our reaction to a particular post can be quite different from anothers. For instance, we may see it as we have so many times in the past, and let it go for the members to make up their minds about a particular poster. Where maybe it exposes them for what they are?

    Founding Fathers said it best long ago, Freedom can be real ugly at times..........BB and FF have always weighed in on the side of freedom first, then we see what happens from there.

    shootist, I am only tasked with carrying the flag for now

    One of these days, that will become another persons task, for as time moves on, it is a sure bet. As it is we are down to 3 Founders due to life and changes. All of the guys and members that have come thru helped build the place into what it is.

    Many of you will remember AgAuGal, or as I called her, 'silvergal', anyway she got sick, then it was real sick, and after years they finally figured it out as undiagnosed Lymes disease. Well by the time she demanded they run the test, the damage had been done to her. She is still around, but certainly fighting each and every day. All because they didn't run one test quite some time ago. Then you may wonder why I have such a problem with the corporate med establishment.......with plenty more examples like that one to lean on. So yeah, my opinions also get in the way some time.

    It is for and because of people like her that the idea of GIM is taken very seriously.
     
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    Fatboy Gold Member Gold Chaser Site Supporter

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    If we have a vote...... I would vote for no more talk like that and not another April 1st "joke" please. :)

    To the three remaining founders and the mods, thanks for what you have accomplished and doing what you do, it has to be a tough "job" to keep GIM such a great place to visit.
     
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    I was just venting a little.

    I have no problems with anyone's opinions or beliefs...........so long as they don't try to force them on me. I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets a bit frustrated when they start a thread that has nothing to do with religion or politics taken over by someone who wants to use the thread as a soapbox to tout their beliefs (no matter how far off the original subject matter they go.) I simply wish they would have enough maturity and common decency to start their own threads.

    Well...............enough of me venting.

    FWIW...........I think you and the mods are doing a pretty good job here. I'm a member of several forums and this is, by far, the best forum on the internet.

    Enjoy your day....................:beerglass:
     
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    Thanks for this site and the dedication to the pursuit of truth and foundational economic principles. Oversight may be vital with problematic posts. But thankfully the free market of ideas will cause irrelevant posts and threads to be ignored. Some other sites are unbelievably cowardly and intolerant, due to lily livered, yellow bellied, pusillanimous pipsqueaks who shriek in terror if they see anything in print that upsets them and they go running to the mommy moderators with their demands.
     
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    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    naww search, point taken as it is fair

    Krag, tell us what you really think ..... :rock:

    Fat, your attitude about it is what makes this place,

    for the record, the current Mods are 'Hystckndle', 'Goldhedge', and 'Argent Dragon', who have been with us thru thick and thin and are all fully capable

    then we have Uncle who is still around and contributed to help Khan way back when, along with gpond who also helped on the tech side for years,

    if I tried to write the names of all the members that are and were instrumental in building this place, I would still be writing a year from now,

    there are and have been so many good people around this place that it has become real special,
     
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    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    heheeheheh, Scorp, that's just part of your rules, which is what makes it even better.
     
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    Mr Jens, I do not think dat a link
    would constitute adverting.

    I do not worry about having my posts removed - as no one reads them.
     
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    Some guy writes in,
    Tells Scorp he wants to post some articles
    We kinda take a survey in the mod only view area,
    Say...."ok"...lets try it out.
    People get concerned..
    Standard reaction at first I would think. No biggee,
    Its GOOD this report post thing....helps us all.
    BUT,
    Whats the real issue ?
    Spread the word,
    Broaden the forum,
    Invite in new ideas,
    Gotta step into the arena to do that.
    Or the message will wither, the flame will be smaller.
    We already had survival writing here, very cool, some cool stuff by FasT posted from his shop,
    Anyone bought a Walt book besides me ? Some have.
    Weve got a buy and sell area too.
    Self promotion....in part ....thats where its at here....we already embrace it.
    We post articles, we post links also.
    Zerohedge, Goldseek, Market Ticker -Denninger, telegraph, you name it.
    Ya post your point of view....are ya not " selling " yourself, albeit not monetarily as most would see it.
    Again...
    Ya gotta be in the arena to expand your horizons.
    Next guy that asks about promoting his own stuff.....im gonna say " yes " to that too.
    Jmho.
    Talk a little later, thumbs are tired...lol
    Regards to all,
    Haystack
     
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    blueice, a link actually is advertising according to the forum rules. If the forum leadership is saying those rules are no longer valid, than so be it. I would like to know and hear that myself. I posted the forum rules above but will post rule #2 here again as it specifically goes over 'no advertising' and the ways in which 'no-advertising' is enforced. You can't advertise according to the forum rules.

    2. No advertising – This rule is used to avoid the appearance of, or actual influence of content by paid advertisers. The policy of non-influence on content by paid advertisers and applies to the membership at large. Members may not advertise in their posts, avatar, or signatures. SPAM is considered advertising whether it “advertises†a product or an idea. As such, the following are considered advertising and are prohibited on goldismoney2.com.


    Anyone that can help me out, if these are no longer the forum rules please point me to the direction of the rules. If these rules regarding spam advertising are no longer being enforced, then why enforce the other rules?

    I will call that new poster 'spam advertising' based on the fact that the poster comes out of nowhere, posts outlandish claim, doesn't back that up with anything else except says, check out my weekly newsletter on my website that you have to pay for. Since I have been a member here, lesser threads have been closed and deleted for the same kind of spamming.

    Now it appears that this 'spammer' is an official spammer from the high ups. Just curious why the change in the forum rules and why they haven't been updated?
     
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    And that was why I started this thread. I raised issue with the thread in the gold forum. I wasn't the only member as there were others that posted those concerns and I am sure others that thought the same thing but didn't post them.

    I full accept the home set rules and even posted them above. That is why I raised an issue in the original thread and had concern that those issues raised were then deleted. The forum rules are pretty clear to me. That new poster seemed to break several of them.

    Why do you guys expect us to do when a new member signs up, makes an outrageous claim, doesn't back it up except to say check out my website and pay to get my weekly newsletter to find out why. Sounds like shilling and spamming a forum to me, not to mention advertising.
     
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    No because that is a given on a discussion forum. Where the issue lies is when a new member signs up and goes against the forum rules and basically is advertising for their weekly subscription newsletter. How does that not come across as spam? Now if it was an established member that had been here a long time and was starting up a newsletter, that is completely different imo. The thread in the gold forum comes off exactly like a spammer looking for hits on their website.
     
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    Links are used to validate a post. Links are also used as all news sources require you to acknowledge their work. Posting articles without a validating link is poor etiquette. Lastly, links do much in crediting/ discrediting websites. Bottom line, always include the link to anything posted, the exception being your own opinion. Here is a good example.

    "© 2015 by xxxxxxx All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. However, linking directly to the articles is permitted and encouraged."
     
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  36. Hystckndle

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    In your opinion....:wink:
    Lookit,
    Guy asked permission first. We thought we would try it out.
    Have you got anything, other than your posts here to promote ?
    Send in a request then. It ll be considered in like fashion. F a c t.
    Its All good pal.
    Its ALL about spreading the word.
    ANY opportunity to change ones perspective is welcomed.
    Regards Mr Jens, always good to read your posts
    Haystack
     

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