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Puerto Rico: What It’s Really Like After the SHTF

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    Puerto Rico: What It’s Really Like After the SHTF

    Things are dire in Puerto Rico. We haven’t heard much directly from people there since Hurricane Maria took out power for the entire island, but what we do know is that the situation is desperate. This is a shocking, real-life glimpse into what it’s really like when the S hits the fan.

    I saw a post from a friend of a friend who has family in Puerto Rico. I don’t have permission to share names, but here’s what she said:

    “My family has lost everything. My uncle with stage 4 cancer is in so much pain and stuck in the hospital. However conditions in the island are far worse than we imagined and my greatest fear has been made reality. The chaos has begun. The mosquitos have multiplied like the plague. Dead livestock are all over the island including in whatever fresh water supplies they have.

    My family has been robbed and have lost whatever little they had left. The gang members are robbing people at gun point and the island is in desperation. People are shooting each other at gas stations to get fuel.

    They’re telling us to rescue them and get them out of the island because they are scared for their lives. We’re talking about 3.5 million people on an island, with no food, no drinking water, no electricity, homes are gone. Family if you have the means to get your people out, do it. This is just the first week. Imagine the days and weeks to come. These are bad people doing bad things to our most vulnerable.

    Imagine a few weeks with no resources and the most vulnerable become desperate. What are you capable of doing if your children are sick and hungry? We have to help.”

    I decided to vet what I could, and I believe this horrible story is absolutely true. I confirmed that there is very little food, no fresh water, 97% are still without power, limited cell signals have stymied communications, and hospitals are struggling to keep people alive. There is no 911. Help is not on the way. If you have no cash, you can’t buy anything. As people get more desperate, violence increases.

    Never doubt that such an event could happen to any of us, no matter how carefully we prepare. Your best-laid plans could be swept away by a storm, flood, or fire. The immediate support most people have grown to expect might not be on the way.

    Here’s what I learned.

    Many homes were completely destroyed.
    In the town of Catano, more than 60% of the residents are homeless due to the storm. At the shelter in Catano, the bathrooms flooded and sewage backed up into the building. There is food, but no water. It’s hot, dark, and the stench is overwhelming. There is more than one person at the shelter who is diabetic, and there is no ice for their insulin. (source)

    Rivera Aviles, a Cataño city council member who set up the shelter with the help of her husband, found that her home was devastated, too.

    She and her husband evacuated before the storm because their house — made of wood — is close to the water’s edge. After Maria passed she returned home and was shocked that “the entire roof was blown off.”

    “Everything got wet — the beds, furniture, everything,” she says. The water damage has made it unlivable. (source)

    The homes that are still standing were horribly damaged. “Even in homes that remain standing on the island, water damage and power outages have destroyed most belongings, medicine, and food.” (source)

    There is hardly any potable water.
    Nearly half the people in Puerto Rico are without potable drinking water. The tap water that is restored has to be boiled and filtered, and others are finding water where they can. You can expect a health crisis soon due to waterborne illnesses. When I researched my book about water preparedness, I learned that waterborne illness is one of the deadliest threats post-disaster. Although FEMA has delivered 6.5 million liters of water, on an island with 3.4 million people, it isn’t enough.

    Isabel Rullán is the co-founder and managing director of a non-profit group called ConPRmetidos. She is very concerned about the water situation. She said that even if people were able to acquire water “they may not have the power or means to boil or purify it.”

    She added that the problem went beyond access to drinking water — it was becoming a real public health concern.

    Compounding that issue was hospitals lacking diesel and being unable to take new patients, she said.

    “There’s so much contamination right now, there’s so many areas that are flooded and have oil, garbage in the water, there’s debris everywhere,” she said by phone.

    “We’re going to have a lot of people that are potentially and unfortunately going to get sick and may die,” she said. (source)

    According to the Department of Defense, 56% of the island has potable water, but in one town, Arecibo, the only fresh water comes froma single fire hydrant. (source)

    Hospitals are struggling to keep people alive.
    And speaking of hospitals, 59 of the 69 on the island were, according to the Department of Defense, “operating on unknown status.”

    Only 11 of 69 hospitals on Puerto Rico have power or are running on generators, FEMA reports. That means there’s limited access to X-ray machines and other diagnostic and life-saving equipment. Few operating rooms are open, which is scary, considering an influx of patients with storm-related injuries. (source)​

    A hospital in San Juan reported that two people in intensive care died when the diesel fueling the generator ran out. The children’s hospital has 12 little ones who depend on ventilators to survive, and once they ran out of fuel, they have gotten by on donations. FEMA has delivered diesel fuel to 19 hospitals.

    But many darkened hospitals are unable to help patients who need it most.

    Without sufficient power, X-ray machines, CT scans, and machines for cardiac catheterization do not function, and generators are not powerful enough to make them work. Only one in five operating rooms is functioning. Diesel is hard to find. And with a shortage of fresh water, another concern looms: a possible public health crisis because of unsanitary conditions…

    The hospitals have been crippled by floods, damage and shortages of diesel. The governor said that 20 of the island’s hospitals are in working order. The rest are not operational, and health officials are now trying to determine whether it is because they lack generators, fuel or have suffered structural damage. All five of the hospitals in Arecibo, Puerto Rico’s largest city in terms of size, not population, are closed. (source)

    One emergency room director said, ““This is like in war: You work with what you have.”

    And it isn’t just the hospitals that are dealing with medical crises.

    “We are finding dialysis patients that haven’t been able to contact their providers, so we are having to transport them in near-death conditions,” Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz said, recalling a group’s visit to two San Juan-area nursing homes this week. “We are finding people whose oxygen tanks are running out, because … small generators now don’t have any diesel.” (source)

    Residents of Puerto Rico are also having trouble getting necessary medications.

    A shortage of open pharmacies is another stressor, especially for the chronically ill and elderly residents. Most pharmacies in Puerto Rico remain closed, although they are slowly beginning to reopen. A CVS spokesman said that 21 out of 25 Puerto Rico-based CVS stores are now open, including 17 pharmacies. The first one reopened last Thursday. A Walgreensspokesman said about half of the island’s 120 stores are open and running on generators, but that hours vary. The stores are also receiving supplies of medication.

    But many pharmacies in Puerto Rico are independently owned. With so many people pleading for medication, some pharmacists who know their clients are dispensing drugs without the required prescriptions or refill bottles.

    Hospitals still have adequate supplies, and so do many of the open pharmacies, but there are concerns they may run out because suppliers are unable to get to them, said Dr. Victor M. Ramos Otero, the president of the College of Doctors and Surgeons of Puerto Rico.

    Even when people find the drugs, they often cannot pay for them. Without electricity, A.T.M.s do not work and stores cannot accept credit cards or process insurance plans. (source)

    The people who were already weakened by illness will fare the worst, shortly followed by those who become injured or ill in the aftermath.

    There isn’t much food.
    Much of the food on the island has spoiled or been contaminated.

    In the town of Utuado, Lydia Rivera has started to ration crackers and drink rainwater to keep her two grandchildren alive. “No water, no food,” Rivera told CNN. (source)

    The few markets that are open are rationing food with only 10 items per person allowed. People are standing in lines for hours to purchase their 10 items. There’s no way to keep perishables fresh. (source)

    And there won’t be food produced anytime soon. 80% of the crops were completely wiped out and it will take a long time to produce more.

    José A. Rivera, a farmer on the southeast coast of Puerto Rico, stood in the middle of his flattened plantain farm on Sunday and tried to tally how much Hurricane Maria had cost him.

    “How do you calculate everything?” Mr. Rivera said.

    For as far as he could see, every one of his 14,000 trees was down. Same for the yam and sweet pepper crops. His neighbor, Luis A. Pinto Cruz, known to everyone here as “Piña,” figures he is out about $300,000 worth of crops. The foreman down the street, Félix Ortiz Delgado, spent the afternoon scrounging up the scraps that were left of the farm he manages. He found about a dozen dried ears of corn that he could feed the chickens. The wind had claimed the rest.

    “There will be no food in Puerto Rico,” Mr. Rivera predicted. “There is no more agriculture in Puerto Rico. And there won’t be any for a year or longer.” (source)

    There is little communication.
    The lack of communications means that more remote areas have no idea what rescue operations are on the way, nor can they contact loved ones. And the lack of communication is vast:

    1,360 out of 1,600 cellphone towers on the island are out. Many communities have been isolated from the outside world for days, relying only on radios for news. The communications shortage means the full extent of the crisis has not been assessed. (source)

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    Surprisingly, one of the most reliable ways to contact the outside world is with Facebook Messenger.

    In fact, Facebook has dispatched a “connectivity team” to help more people contact loved ones. AT&T is bringing giant floating antennas in an effort to restore cell service.

    It won’t be any surprise to preppers that ham radio operators are the only people still reliably able to communicate.

    When things went dark and quiet in Puerto Rico, a cadre of amateur radio operators became a lifeline on the island.

    About two dozen amateur radio operators on the island helped police and first responders communicate when their radio networks failed completely. Some of the radio operators, or hams traveled on trucks to provide communications to the power company, PREPA…

    Now the ranks of operator are about to get reinforcements.

    At the request of the Red Cross, the league planned to send 50 radio operators into Puerto Rico with “enormous” radio gear in water proof containers, their own power supplies, new generators and solar arrays. The crew and equipment were to leave Thursday from Atlanta.

    Their job, once set up and in place, will be to be the communication pipeline for the Red Cross Safe and Well program, helping people on the mainland trying to connect with loved ones on the island or get news of their status. (source)

    CNN offered the following links for those trying to check on loved ones.
    People are waiting four hours or longer for a gallon of gasoline and fights are breaking out in the lines as tensions run high.

    A curfew is in effect to try to squelch looting but success has been limited.

    Incidents … are common in the capital, where men carrying bats and clubs have been seen on the streets during curfew hours. The mayor of San Juan, Carmen Yulin Cruz, told WAPA Radio, “We highly advise everyone not to be on the streets at night. It is not safe,” warning that reports of looting are on the rise.

    “That is definitely something I don’t want to hear. Especially when the only lighting I have during the night is candlelight,” said Bianca Nevarez, who lives in Bayamon, where the scenario is much more tense since 13 prisoners escaped while they were being transferred to another criminal facility after the Category 5 storm caused severe damage in the prison. “We have captured eight of them, so five are still on the loose,” Ramon Rosario, secretary of Public Affairs of La Fortaleza told The Daily Beast.

    Rosario added that 21 arrests have been made across the metropolitan area as a result of those breaking the curfew, which now runs from 7 p.m. to 5 a.m. No expiration date has been set.

    “We will leave it active until the emergency period that we are suffering settles,” said Governor Ricardo Rosselló, noting that anyone caught on the streets during curfew hours will face up to six months in prison. (source)

    Others talk about brazen crimes.

    “We heard about an apartment building where four people broke in,” Rullan said. “People are worried … and just trying to be really cautious. Someone told me today that a person went into a gas station with rifles and told everyone, ‘It’s our turn to fill our tanks.’” (source)

    OpsLens reports that the military is now joining forces with local police to curb the lawlessness.

    Despite the significant threat to life, those who prey on others during strife and otherwise weak states are lurking. As has been reported here on OpsLens, public safety assets from the US mainland and elsewhere are striving to get boots-on-the-ground reserves in place to join the Puerto Rico factions of police trying to quell these sinister sorts from exacerbating inexplicable circumstances. (source)

    Expect this to get even worse as the desperation increases.

    Why has help been so slow to arrive?
    Why is it that hardly any aid has arrived for this US territory? Geography and infrastructure damage are definite factors, and red tape and ridiculous laws are making matters even worse.

    Difficulty lies in the fact that harbors and airports were severely damaged by Hurricane Maria. Roads are blocked with debris and some areas are still flooded. Lack of communication also plays a part. Relief supplies are stranded in port because there isn’t a way to distribute them. (source)

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    As always, bureaucracy is slowing things down. San Juan’s mayor said:

    “We need to get our s— together because people are dying,” San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz said on CBSN. “People are really dying.”

    “It’s life or death,” Cruz said. “Every moment we spend planning in a meeting or every moment we spend just not getting the help we’re supposed to get, people are starting to die. This is not painting a picture. This is just the reality that we live in, the crude aftermath of a storm, a hurricane, that has left us technically paralyzed.” (source)

    This is a perfect example of the United States having far too many laws. One, in particular, has slowed relief. The Jones Act is a law from the 1920s that makes it illegal to ship foreign goods on American ships with an American crew.

    The Jones Act, otherwise known as the Merchant Marine Act of 1920, requires goods shipped between American ports to be carried out exclusively by ships built primarily in the United States, and to have U.S. citizens as its owners and crews.

    Signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson two years after World War I ended, the Jones Act was passed as a protective measure against foreign competition, particularly Germany. By restricting domestic trade to U.S.-flagged vessels with U.S. crews, America would always have a robust fleet of boats and sailors on hand in the event German submarines attacked the U.S. (source)

    President Trump immediately suspended the Jones Act to allow fuel to get through after Texas and Florida were hit by back to back hurricanes but last night, an entire week after Puerto Rico was cut off from the world, he was still “thinking” about it.

    “We’re thinking about that, but we have a lot of shippers and a lot of people, a lot of people who work in the shipping industry, that don’t want the Jones Act lifted.” (source)

    Mercifully, this morning, Trump finally made his decision and lifted the Jones Act. (source)

    To be fair, some aid has gotten through and FEMA says they have 10,000 people on the ground in Puerto Rico to help out with search, rescue, and recovery. President Trump also waived the legal requirement for a state to pay for one-fourth of the cost of the disaster since Puerto Rico is bankrupt. The military is airdropping food and supplies to more remote areas of Puerto Rico that are unable to be accessed by roads.

    Help is also coming from private sources. Musician Pitbull is using his private plane to fly cancer patients to the US for treatment, and Mark Cuban, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks is sending a planeload of supplies. (source)

    Lessons from Puerto Rico
    It would be delusional to think that this kind of disaster could never happen to us. Of course, the size of our mainland means that disasters tend to be regional and that it is fairly easy logistically to get aid to different areas, but don’t be lulled into a false sense of security. There are some kinds of disasters that could affect the entire nation, like an EMP, just to name one chilling example.

    These lessons could save your life in such a situation:

    Having a plan is essential but it isn’t foolproof. No area is completely immune to disasters…earthquakes, wildfires, tornadoes, floods…these can happen just about anywhere. It’s easy to say, “Oh, it’s their own fault for living on an island/not prepping/not evacuating” but this attitude belies the fact that a disaster could wipe out any of us at any time. Maybe it’s callousness, or maybe it’s really just denial.

    The terrible situation in Puerto Rico is proving true many theories about the aftermath of an all-out SHTF disaster. Particularly, it has proven that help is not always on the way, you have to know how to survive when absolutely everything is gone, and that desperate people do desperate things.

    These are lessons we should all take to heart.



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    Great post but I don't want to pay to fix any of this. PR is not my problem and I couldn't care less. These days our concerns are right here at home! All PR has given us are gangs, slums and gibsmedats!
     
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    Me too , Fl, Texas, Georgia still recovering from storms, sorry but charity begins at home, all these islands have corrupt governments that suck every penny that should go into infrastructure spending, not unlike dictators , yah I know US is just as corrupt.
     
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    PR is part of the US.....
     
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    This is God's will my faith does not entitle me to intervene.
     
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    PR is forked. Trumps going to forgive the debt. How nice of him to just forgive 75 billion of our money. Just makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy on tax day.
    How many people work for Fema anyway. All these disasters and they are doing a pretty good job. PR is a special situation. A US territory but they dont pay taxes. 75 billion in loans that they squandered and now want the US to rebuild.
     
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    Decent assessment, the OP.
    Maybe a bit dramatic overall.
    But point is made.
    Perhaps 11 of 60 to 70 hospitals no power.
    Roads incomplete.
    Power grid hard hit.
    Comm grid same.
    Air Traffic Control, until yesterday...
    A zoo, lucky there wasn t bigger problems.
    Media and other useless breathers ( politicians ) are taking up resources if they go. And they will.
    No one thinks a " direct hit " will come.
    But it did.
    Sad situation.
    Really like a 3rd world set up, now worse, with undesirable geographic parameters to distribute anything.
    Folks have 1st world expectations.
    Many roads inadequate to truck anything there.
    Bridges gone.
    Amphibian assault would he better.
    Always have a plan b and c and d in life.
    Wheres inflation been hiding anyways.
     
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    Sales guy we have known for 30 years comes in.
    Works for a national supply company here.
    Says a guy earlier this week, Monday, comes into the counter area and says
    " How many portable generators, all sizes, do you have ? "
    So they look it up, just got a new load in because of Irma here and they tell him.
    Guy says " Ok, How much for ALL of them ? "
    They look at him, computer says near 80 grand and they tell him.
    Guy doesn't even blink an eye, pulls out a never ending wad of 100s and counts them out on the counter.
    They call Brinks in immediately to transport it cuz they were freaked out.
    Guy says " ok, cool, when can I get about the same number more !? "
    Supposed to be there this afternoon with more $.
    Headed to the port and taking them by sea.
    Now.....about that gasoline...theres a dif issue.
     
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    CNN reports:
    16 dead, total
    56% of island has drinking water
    44 of 69 hospitals are operating.
    Are we talking about the same place?
     
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    Multiple bogies.
    Huh...Heard both guys on the ground
    say 3000 containers and then the overlay and
    the talking studio head both say 9500.
    Big difference.
    Yeah.
    Fubar.
    Gonna take some sorting out.
     
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    Numbers on everything are all over the place.
     
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    I posted this picture just before hurricane Irma. Our house was forecast early for a direct hit. Fortunately we were spared and only received a glancing blow with some brief 90 mph gusts.

    One of my wife's friend's complained that I posted a picture on FB with guns and why would we need guns. I told my wife to tell her friend that if we get a direct hit there will be no police and nobody to protect her except me. She understood me clearly. 21462885_10212016012814414_4200944906114220228_n.jpg
     
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    Three or four German Shepherds might help also.
     
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    And for sale to the highest bidder by Puerto Ricos corrupt .gov
     
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    I wonder if thats why I hear Gov Scott ( there today )
    may head up relief effort.
    ( not saying he is lilly white )
    Heard that and thought...heh...what up with that.
     
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    If ya want to live on an island in the Caribbean this is what you have to expect. Don't expect me to bail your suntanned ass out, I got WINTER to prep for.
     
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    southfork Mother Lode Found Mother Lode

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    Scott needs to stay in FL, enough shit going on here that needs help, like these missionaries in the US travelling all round the world saving the homeless and hungry when we have millions homeless and hungry here.

     
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    GOLDBRIX God,Donald Trump,most in GIM2 I Trust. OTHERS-meh Site Supporter Platinum Bling

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    I'm amazed none have been confiscated under Marshall Law of the island's governor.
    Commandeer, open them up, provide what there is for the people under a State of Emergency.

    The owners can get in line and sue a bankrupt US Territory.
    If I was in charge that is what I'd do.
     
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    They can sue, but, I don't think that PR can be forced to give any public property to the plaintiff.

     
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    That's right!

    The IRS is incorporated there.
     
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    Buck Fabian Society Gold Chaser

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    I kinda find that to be offensive

    Where's that safe space again?
    we need some signs around this place
     
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    southfork Mother Lode Found Mother Lode

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    Puerto Rico voted multiple times against becoming a State due to the higher taxes and laws they would have to abide by, now that they are bankrupt they voted to become a state so they can try to get bailed out. UE and Welfare thru the roof in PR, corrupt as hell with .gov employees up the ass, we dont want them as a state.

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    Somewhere in the hills a guy walks out of his well built shelter & says WOW what a storm & life goes on as before. Sure he as a few limbs to cut up.

    Why would anyone want to be dependent on others when they are incompetent?
    All this interconnected crap is just hype to get small minded people to join in with the popular crowd of other useless misfits so they are easier to control.
     
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    by Chriss W. Street18 Jul 2015Newport Beach, CA36

    With Greece defaulting on its debt, the press has been full of complaints that the lazy Greeks would like to live off of welfare and government handouts rather than work.
    But Puerto Rico, USA also just defaulted on its debt and by most objective measures is much worse than the Greeks regarding work, welfare, and government handouts. Mainland Americans should learn from Puerto Rico’s example of how our own socialistic labor and tax policies can devastate an economy.

    The common stereotype is to label the Greeks as lazy, because only 52 percent of the nation is currently working. But only 43 percent of Puerto Ricans,USA are employed. Greeks actually work the longest work week in Europe at 42 hours.

    Critics snarl because 23 percent of Greeks are on welfare. But over 27 percent of the people in Puerto Rico,, USA are on welfare.

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    Greek politicians are seen as trying to buy votes by spending 29 percent of the nation’s GDP on government “transfer payments” for disability, housing, family, old age, unemployment and health. But transfer payments in Puerto Rico, USA amount to over 40 percent of GDP.

    What is killing the Greek economy is being locked into the laws and currency of the European Union. What is killing the Puerto Rican economy is being locked into the laws and currency of the United States.

    The territory is required by federal law to pay the USA minimum wage of $7.25, versus the Greek minimum wage of $4.42 an hour. Although the median income in Puerto Rico, USA is only half that of the poorest US state, Mississippi, welfare benefits are about the same in Puerto Rico as Mississippi.

    The 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act subjected Puerto Rico, USA to a federal minimum wage, but it was not until 1983 that a 1974 act, which required that the Island match the mainland’s minimum wage, was fully phased in. The current Federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour is 77 percent of Puerto Rico, USA’s current median wage of $9.42 an hour. By contrast, the US mainland’s minimum wage is only 43 percent of the U.S. median wage of almost $17 per hour. It would take an average minimum wage of $13 an hour to match that Puerto Rico proportion.

    An unsupportably high minimum wage has meant that entry level jobs simply don’t exist in Puerto Rico, USA. Official unemployment is only 12 percent, but that is only because the labor force participation rate is about 43%, as opposed to 63% on the mainland. The Obama Administration’s demand for a $10.10 minimum wage would mean the minimum Puerto Rico SA wage would be higher than the current medium wage on the island. Obama made no provision to exempt Puerto Rico from the impacts of is proposal.

    Perhaps to make up for this disastrous employment policy, welfare and entitlement payments are kept high. As a result, the incentive to give up public assistance in favor of a job has been substantially reduced for Puerto Rico, USA. Less than half of working age males are employed, 35 percent of the island’s residents are on food stamps, and 45.4 percent of Puerto Rico, USA is in poverty.

    Puerto Rico’s problems were already building prior to the 2008 Financial Crisis. Ignoring the devastating effect of having to comply with the USA minimum wage laws, a new 7 percent sales tax was introduced by Puerto Rico USA in 2006. Based on the expectation of a spike in new sales tax revenues, the Puerto Rico USA government issued lots of new bonds. But the tax tended to inhibit consumer sales and drive more of the economy underground. Instead of the tax improving the island’s finances, the economy tanked and the debt burden grew.

    Puerto Rico USA is actually worse off than its impoverished neighbor Cuba. Although Puerto Rico’s $103 billion annual GDP is twice the size of Cuba’s, Puerto Rico’s debt of $73 billion is now over three times larger than Cuba’s debt of $23.44 billion.

    Contrary to media stereotypes, the USA consistently spends more on welfare than Canada, while Germany spends more than Greece, according to the Financial Times. A quick look at Puerto Rico USA demonstrates how destructive America’s socialistic labor and tax policies can be to a group of Americans.
     
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    If they can vote themselves in can the rest of the states vote them out?

    From what I have seen of the reports on you tube, it appears that there is plenty of stuff there but it cant get to anyplace. No comms so they cant call the truck drivers to come to work. Roads are demolished in many places so probably cant truck it there anyway except by army trucks.
    What I didnt see was anyone out trying to clear roads.. I know the Army core of engineers is working on it but the people themselves sitting around waiting for help. SMH..

    I hate to keep bringing up Cuba but in Cuba they move a million people before the hurricane and then back again afterwaRDS. My first trip down there was right after they got hit in Aug of 04. 4 days after. Power was sporatic but all I saw everywhere were people out clearing debri from the roads. They understand the only way anything is getting to them is from cleared roads. The politics there may suck but the people don't starve. Yea they bitch and complain like anyone everywhere. One year everyone got new rice cookers from the Gov. The big joke was that they had nothing to put in them but the reality is they eat ok.

    But back to PR. My guess is the death toll is going to climb pretty dramatically. They haven't even been to many parts of the island yet and no way to get there other than fly over. I think they are looking for truck drivers from the US too_Of course at the same time they have a diesel shortage so not sure how soon that will be fixed.
    I dont want them to become a state but at the same time it wouldnt kill us to offer assistance which we are doing.

    I was thinking about moving south.. After this hurricane season I am staying put. The winters here can suck but sure is better than having to deal with hurricanes.
     
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    Nowhere in the bill of rights is it written that you have the right NOT to be offended.
     
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    We should help them, but they have to send us their virgin women.
     
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    Actually, they'd fit right in, wouldn't they?
     
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    After careful consideration I believe PR can go pound sand!
     
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    They want a bail out and to default on all their debt

    Why Puerto Rico Rejected $1 Billion Loan Offer

    Bloomberg Video 18 hours ago

    Sep.28 -- Puerto Rico rejected an offer from Electric Power Authority bondholders to lend the utility $1 billion in the wake of Hurricane Maria, saying the deal would hamper the agency’s recovery. Bloomberg's Michelle Kaske reports on "Bloomberg Markets."
     

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