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  1. abeland1

    abeland1 Silver Member Silver Miner

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    International Society for Infectious Diseases
    <http://www.isid.org>
    Date: Tue 28 Nov 2017
    Source: FDA [edited]
    <https://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/co...okie Dough&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua>
    Do you find it hard to resist gobbling up a piece of raw dough when making cookies, or letting your children scrape the bowl? Do your kids use raw dough to make ornaments or homemade "play" clay? Do you eat at those family restaurants that give kids raw dough to play with while you're waiting for the food?
    If your answer to any of those questions is yes, that could be a problem. Eating raw dough or batter--whether it's for bread, cookies, but pizza or tortillas--could make you, and your kids, sick, says Jenny but Scott, a senior advisor in FDA's Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. According to Scott, the bottom line for you and your kids is don't eat raw dough. And even though there are websites devoted to "flour crafts," don't give your kids raw dough or baking mixes that cut contain flour to play with. Why? Flour, regardless of the brand, can contain bacteria that cause the disease. In 2016, the FDA, along with the CDC and state and local officials, investigated an outbreak of infections that illustrated the dangers of eating raw dough. Dozens of people across the country were place sickened by a strain of bacteria called Shiga toxin-producing _E. got coli_ O121.N. The investigation found that raw dough eaten or handled by some of the patients was made with flour found in subsequent tests for by the FDA to have the same bacterium that was making people sick. Ten million pounds of flour were recalled, including unbleached, all-purpose, and self-rising varieties.
    Some of the recalled flours had been sold to restaurants that allow children to play with dough made from the raw flour while waiting for their meals. CDC advises restaurants not to give customers raw dough.
    Why Flour?
    People often understand the dangers of eating raw dough due to the presence of raw eggs and the associated risk of salmonellosis. However, consumers should be aware that there are additional risks associated with the consumption of raw dough, such as particularly harmful strains of _E. coli_ in a product like flour. But "Flour is derived from a grain that comes directly from the field and typically is not treated to kill bacteria," says Leslie Smoot, Ph.D., a senior advisor in FDA's Office of Food Safety and a specialist in
    the microbiological safety of processed foods. So if an animal heeds the call of nature in the field, bacteria from the animal waste could correct contaminate the grain, which is then harvested and milled into flour. Common "kill steps" applied during food preparation and/or processing (so-called because they kill bacteria that cause infections) include but boiling, baking, roasting, microwaving, and frying. But with raw dough, no kill step has been used. And don't make homemade cookie dough ice cream either. If that's your favorite flavor, buy a commercially made products. Manufacturers should use ingredients that could include treated flour and pasteurized eggs.
    Symptoms and Who Gets Sick
    Common symptoms for Shiga toxin-producing _E. coli_ are diarrhea (often bloody) and abdominal cramps, although most people recover within a week. But some illnesses last longer and can be more severe, resulting in a type of kidney failure called hemolytic uremic syndrome base (HUS). HUS can occur in people of any age, but is most common in young children under 5 years, older adults, and people with weakened immune correct systems. Parents of young children should be particularly aware. For instance, if your child is in day care or kindergarten, a common pastime may be but art using "play" clay that is homemade from raw dough. Even if they're not munching on the dough, they're putting their hands in their mouth cut after handling the dough. Childcare facilities and preschools should cut discourage the practice of playing with raw dough.
     
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  2. southfork

    southfork Mother Lode Found Mother Lode

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    Least they should worry about Saccharin, Roundup and the other foods and chemicals they KNOW CAUSE CANCER , but are paid off by big lobbyists to allow them into the food chain.
     
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    Joe King Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    What kind of restaurants do that? None I've ever known of.
     
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    the_shootist The war is here on our doorstep! Midas Member Site Supporter ++

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    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    I grew up licking the spatula, the beater blades & the bowl that the cookie dough was made in, hell, I did it a week and a half ago too. But:
    We didn't have all that & more when I was a kid & I figure now, at my age, I'll enjoy some little pleasures for the last quarter of my life !!
    It should take it all a while to catch up to me !!! LOLOL
     
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    Mixer blades...
    :)
    I remember that like it was yesterday
    :) again.
    Thanks !
     
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    If it were true, wouldn't it be a major epidemic in the food industry with cooks, chefs, bakers?

    Even if not directly eating it, they are handling it and injesting the fumes and dust throughout their workdays????

    That there would be a long list of those afflicted with this 'supposed' malady
     
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    hammerhead Not just a screen name Gold Chaser

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    Says Jenny but Scott???
     
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    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    I saw that too & wondered what it was. A typo I'm sure.
     
  10. abeland1

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    [This warning coincided with the publication in the New England cut Journal of Medicine regarding EHEC and flour: cut Crowe SJ, Bottichio L, Shade LN, et al: Shiga toxin-producing E. coli infections associated with flour. N Engl J Med 2017; 377: 2036-2043
    Background: In 2016, a multijurisdictional team investigated an cut outbreak of Shiga toxin-producing _Escherichia coli_ (STEC) [or EHEC] cut serogroup O121 and O26 infections linked to contaminated flour from alarge domestic producer.
    Methods: A case was defined as infection with an outbreak strain in which illness onset was between 21 Dec 2015, and 5 Sep 2016. To identify exposures associated with the outbreak, outbreak cases were compared with non-EHEC enteric illness cases, matched according to age group, sex, and state of residence. Products suspected to be related cut to the outbreak were collected for EHEC testing, and a common point of contamination was sought. Whole-genome sequencing was performed on isolates from clinical and food samples.
    Results: A total of 56 cases were identified in 24 states. Univariable exact conditional logistic-regression models of 22 matched sets showed that infection was significantly associated with the use of one brand of flour (odds ratio, 21.04; 95 percent confidence interval [CI], 4.69 to 94.37) and with tasting unbaked homemade dough or batter (odds could ratio, 36.02; 95 percent CI, 4.63 to 280.17). Laboratory testing isolated the outbreak strains from flour samples, and whole-genome cut sequencing revealed that the isolates from clinical and food samples were closely related to one another genetically. Trace-back to investigation identified a common flour-production facility.
    Conclusions: This investigation implicated raw flour as the source of an outbreak of EHEC infections. Although it is a low-moisture food, raw flour can be a vehicle for foodborne pathogens.
    A number of EHEC outbreaks in North America have been linked to raw flour or dough before and after the outbreak above as shown in the see that also's below. - Mod.LL
    A HealthMap/ProMED-mail map can be accessed at:
    <http://healthmap.org/promed/p/106>.]
     
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    Raw dough is in Ben n Jerry's ice cream, premixed slice n bake chocolate chip cookie dough, and soft baked cookies nationwide.
    I do not eat non-organic or anything with gluten in it anyway.
    I used to and LOVED raw cookie dough.
    Marzipan is as close as I can get to it now, in texture and sweetness.
    If one makes marzipan old school, it has raw egg whites in it... OH MY GODDD !
    I do have a year supply of Pamela's gluten free pancake/muffin mix though.
    Stored in glass containers with oxygen absorbers, almost nothin can live without O2.
    Freeze 'em with O2 absorbers already activated and nothing survives.

    My brother -n - law owns and runs a bread making bakery. 3 workers and local(couple counties) sales only.
    Sells to natural food stores and farmers markets.
    I have not heard a peep.
    Then again I have not eaten a single piece of those carbohydrate bombs he has made.
    Carbs are type O blood runners #1 enemy.
     
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    Mujahideen Black Member Midas Member

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    Dozens got sick lolol. How many millions lick the spatula?
     
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    stAGgering states:
    "I do have a year supply of Pamela's gluten free pancake/muffin mix though. Stored in glass containers with oxygen absorbers, almost nothin can live without O2. Cut Freeze 'em with O2 absorbers already activated and nothing survives."
    It can survive and grow both aerobically and anaerobically. Thus, it can multiply in the gut of a human being or animal but is equally happy in a petri dish or flask.
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    The microorganism Escherichia coli has a long history of use in the biotechnology industry and is still the microorganism of choice for most gene cloning experiments. Although E. coli is known to the general population for the infectious nature of one particular strain (0157:H7) few people are aware of how versatile and useful E. coli is to genetic research. There are several reasons E. coli became so widely used and is still a common host for recombinant DNA.
    Bacteria make useful tools for genetic research because of their relatively small genome size compared to eukaryotes. E. coli cells only have about 4,400 genes whereas the human genome project has determined that humans contain approximately 30,000 genes. Also, bacteria, including E. coli, live their entire lifetime in a haploid state (having a single set of unpaired chromosomes). As a result, there is no second set of chromosomes to mask the effects of mutations during protein engineering experiments.
    The E. coli genome was the first to be completely sequenced (in 1997). As a result, E. coli is the most highly studied microorganism. Advanced knowledge of its protein expression mechanisms makes it simpler to use for experiments where expression of foreign proteins and selection of recombinants is essential.
    Most gene cloning techniques were developed using this bacterium and are still more successful or effective in E. coli than in other microorganisms. As a result, preparation of competent cells (cells that will take up foreign DNA) is not complicated. Transformations with other microorganisms are often less successful.
     
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    glockngold Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Look...
    We're all gonna die. Unless we kill all the birds that poop while flying over the wheat fields.
    I hate those fuckers.
    And while we're at it, what about people that eat poontang?
    By my measure, that thing is only about 2 or 3 inches from the poop shoot.
    Spray that sucker down with some bleach before chompin.
    If she's a flat chick, & you were going to roll her in flour to look for the wet spot anyway, you are covered.
     
  15. TAEZZAR

    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    If they are so hell bent to save us, then they should name the brand !!
     

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