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Robots will take your jobs

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  1. Scorpio

    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    Elon Musk: Robots will take your jobs, government will have to pay your wage

    Catherine Clifford,CNBC Fri, Nov 4 11:19 AM PDT

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    Computers, intelligent machines, and robots seem like the workforce of the future. And as more and more jobs are replaced by technology, people will have less work to do and ultimately will be sustained by payments from the government, predicts Elon Musk , the iconic Silicon Valley futurist who is the founder and CEO of SolarCity (SCTY), Tesla (TSLA), and SpaceX.

    According to Musk, there really won't be any other options.

    "There is a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation," says Musk to CNBC. "Yeah, I am not sure what else one would do. I think that is what would happen."

    In a country with universal basic income, each individual gets a regular check from the government. Switzerland considered instituting a universal basic income of 2,500 Swiss francs ($2578) a month this summer. Voters ultimately rejected the plan , but it sparked a broad, global conversation.

    Also this summer, President Obama addressed the idea of a universal basic income in an interview with the Director of MIT's Media Lab, Joi Ito, and Scott Dadich, editor in chief of WIRED: "Whether a universal income is the right model — is it gonna be accepted by a broad base of people? — that's a debate that we'll be having over the next 10 or 20 years."

    While society is slowly mulling over the idea of a basic human income, technology is rapidly changing the global workforce.

    For example, in the future, semi-trailer trucks will be able to drive themselves. And though that won't become the status quo for a while, it will mean that there won't be a need for quite as many truck drivers, says Musk.

    Some drivers will transition to fleet operators, responsible for monitoring the status of a fleet of trucks, not any one individual truck. If a truck appears to be having issues, then the fleet operator would come in remotely and solve the problem.

    "Actually, it's probably a more interesting job than just driving one [truck]," says Musk.

    It's likely those truck drivers who no longer have a job might see the situation differently.

    But the optimistic Musk sees increased automation as an overall benefit to society, even an opportunity.

    "People will have time to do other things, more complex things, more interesting things," says Musk. "Certainly more leisure time."

    A long horizon of leisure time may sound good, but it can also be an intimating prospect. For many, having a job and someplace to be each day is grounding and gives purpose to life.

    Indeed, Musk himself is driven by his professional ambitions. He hasn't needed to work to pay his bills for well over a decade. In 2002, Musk sold PayPal , the online payments company he co-founded, to eBay in a deal that put $165 million in his pocket. Instead of kicking back, he has launched multiple companies and is trying to get to Mars.

    Even though Musk's ambition may be more outsized than most, many Americans would probably also want to continue doing some kind of work. Binge watching Netflix is only enjoyable for so long.

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/elon-musk-robots-jobs-government-181956572.html
     
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    Jeez, they can have mine and good riddance.
     
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    Like collect unemployment on the taxpayers dime.

    The only way I see robots taking over employment as a good thing is if we all are living off the land and the robots are slaving away to our farms and tending to our homes.

    If they are taking our jobs away otherwise, what are they leaving us with?
     
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    With self-driving cars, will we need the people who put up street signs and stripe the road?
     
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    The first people we need to replace by computers is politicians. No more voting needed, no more campaigns, travel nonsense or million dollar dinners and vacations.

    Next judges... No more pussy pass, kid pass, crazy pass,racial pass, bribes ,games, half-witted juries etc... same crime gives same sentence to everyone who commits it. Just prove they did it- automatic sentence. The computer will not be told of race/sex/age or anything that is blamed as discrimination right now.

    Then teachers... One computer can teach every child in America only facts -- No SJW liberal teachers/professors etc... No buildings or buses or maint bills for said items and best of all no school taxes, bullying, racist fighting.

    Just these things could probably kill the deficit in one day.
     
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    In the not so distant future there may be millions of people losing their jobs through no fault of their own.

    If there was UBP (Unversal Base Pay) of some sort, expect even more ILLegals to come.
     
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    Not really worried for the next 10 years or so...
     
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    That's a lot of robots, especially if the southern invasion is reversed
     

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    Robots can have my job and they can kiss my a$$ too while they at it.
     
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    Robots taking over all our jobs is a great thing long term. There was a recent survey out that showed only like 13% of people world wide enjoyed working at their job. So many jobs are just shit, people don't do them for fun, or as a challenge but because they need money. Eliminating every mindless, boring, repetitive, and mundane job is a great thing.

    The problem is how do we get to a future where no one has any jobs, from where we are today? Obviously having massive unemployment and letting everyone starve in the street isn't a good thing. Having a basic income is a decent solution, at least starting out. I think there needs to be another step after it, but for the short term it keeps everyone from dying because there is no jobs anymore.
     
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    Well, I'm all ready retired. Yet, I think that this is a scary evolution. We all better start making ourselves use full to these people or they are gonna start eliminating the dregs. Or maybe just start scavenging microwaves to pillage for their magnetrons and step up transformers :) EM cannons are fun with several pc power supplies. That is until they develop EM shielding by some means.

    On a more serious note most all most every thing now is hooked to wifi and with all the bit coin miners they have more then enough computing power to take over right now. Talk about the beast network...
     
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    I wish I had a robot today.
    Shower stall wouldn't drain, so I go into their basement and what I saw made me think about leaving.
    Under the shower base was just an elbow and 8' away was the trap, 3" higher than then the drain line and absolutely no room to maneuver anything.
    How any water drained at all is beyond me.
    It took 2 hours to cut this drain out because it was surrounded by water lines and wires. The stagnant of the water would gag a maggot, so today I wish I had a robot.
     
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    A robot providing septic service? Please! I'll be the master.......robot slave....

    I'm done looking at other people's $hit.
     
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    Since this will mostly impact millenials and beyond, I really don't care. My second attempt at retirement is rapidly approaching...this does NOT mean I will stop working, I'll just be "employerless" and really, I've grown very tired of that baggage. So, really, let the robots deal with it.
     
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    I'd like to see a robot try to letter a sign using a quill brush.:belly laugh:

    R.
     
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    Did you see this? This is quite impressive.

     
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    anybody read player piano by Vonnegut?
     
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    Thomas Friedman: Automation Is Killing Jobs

    By Dean Baker of Beat The Press
    Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM EST


    The world would be a much better place if the folks who wrote on economic issues at the NYT had at least an intro econ level understanding of economics. But apparently that is too much to expect, so we find Thomas Friedman telling readers:

    "The one area where I think Trump is going to have the hardest time delivering on his campaign promises is to create 'millions' of good-paying jobs by incentivizing and pressuring American companies to manufacture more in the U.S. He still talks about America as a manufacturing wasteland when, in fact, manufacturing remains the largest sector of the U.S. economy but employs far fewer workers.

    "As the management consultant Warren Bennis famously observed: 'The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment.'"

    While Trump will not be able to bring back the six million manufacturing jobs we have lost in the last two decades, it is certainly possible that he could bring back 1-2 million manufacturing jobs if he were to get the trade deficit closer to balance. That would be a big deal for lots of workers, especially if the workers who held these jobs were able to form unions to ensure decent wages and benefits.

    In terms of the factory of the future, it may well be highly automated, but that is not the factories of today, which still employ more than 12 million workers. Contrary to what Friedman types continually tell people, the automation process is actually moving very slowly as productivity growth in manufacturing and the rest of the economy has slowed to a crawl.

    Productivity in Manufacturing

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    As the chart shows, productivity growth in manufacturing has averaged less than 0.5 percent annually over the last five years. The factory of the future may only have a person and a dog, as in Friedman's story, just as the newspaper of the future may have only a computer program to write columns, but we are not at this future yet and not likely to be there soon.



    Disclosure: None.

    http://www.talkmarkets.com/content/...tomation-is-killing-jobs?post=113522&uid=4809
     
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    Sewing, as in making cloths is still done by humans. Sewing jobs in the US were decimated by NAFTA.
     
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    Here ya go..................

    'People should be marching in the streets': Jeb Bush warns of a robot revolution and calls for education reform to help U.S. workers compete with machines
    • Jeb Bush spoke about robots taking over human jobs in an interview Sunday
    • Said education system must better prepare US workers to compete with robots
    • Report found 38 percent of US jobs will be replaced by robots, AI by early 2030s


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4374278/Jeb-Bush-demands-education-reform.html#ixzz4dB87oK4k
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    Does anyone besides the MSM give a rats ass about what JEB Bush thinks?
     
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    Just keeping his name out there is all he is doing, burn that Bush Moses...
     
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    IF humans no longer work or have money for nothing more than surviving, please tell me WHO is going to PURCHASE all the crap robots will be supposedly producing?

    OTHER ROBOTS?

    SURE THEY WILL!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA

    I read a RAH story where a guy who worked in a robotized automotive facility. All the humans did was push a few buttons a day. When one of them noticed that the quality of the autos being built were 'slipping' he asked someone about it. Most of cars were missing things. LIKE THE INTERIOR or the DRIVE TRAIN. His supervisor explained that no one cared. NONE of these autos being manufactured were EVER going to be sold or used. So, one day they stopped being 'complete' and it didn't matter. His supervisor told him to just keep his head down and do his job.

    PUSH that button and then go to lunch and stop worrying about things.
     
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    This is why they are pushing communism in colleges today. I see - in the future - the state claiming ownership of all factories and businesses and everyone will get welfare. Everyone will probably have to do the army for 5 years or so and then retire to being on the worldwide welfare system. They will use this to control population size by starving people when they want to reduce the population and feeding them extra when they want more. Capitalism will be forced underground but it will not be quashed. Capital will just be real goods instead of dollars.
     
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    When I think of robots I often have a picture in my mind of some machine ambling through a cotton field pulling weeds or perhaps serving us food in a restaurant, but when I stop and look around I see millions of jobs already lost to things like the ATM, which replaced tellers, the digital scanner, which replaced many shop staff by speeding the pricing process. Even the the last generation of cars which with their diagnostic suite and throw away design has replaced a lot of mechanics no doubt.

    At the same time as this has been happening millions of shitty new jobs have been created in childcare, psychology, Home Services (don't get me started there) Now none of this, the loss of traditional jobs and the adding of what I term "Parasite" jobs has occurred with any planning at all. It just happened as market forces pushed people out and social trends created new jobs. So when a scammer like Musk suggests an insanely indebted government is going to step in and give us all a pay check, I take it for what it is worth, the dreaming of some idiot whose success has driven the last of common sense from his head.
     
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    The industry I work in is pushing SCADA (supervisory control and data acquisition) big time. The concept is to rid yourself of staff needed to do routine and repetitive work. That's good in theory. But my industry is not about production. It is more about maintenace and reaction to issues. We may go several days with out any significant work outside of routine "scada-replaceable" activities. During those times it looks like a $500k scada program makes sense to replace the $45k a year guy doing that work. But three days latter activities cone up that SCADA can't do. If SCADA replaced the manpower, we now are forced to contract work out. Work done in house is cheaper then work hired out, even in muni work.

    And once that In House project is complete, we start bankrolling savings as the next job we do in house is essentially "free" labor after about mid summer.
     
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    What Will the Deep State Do with the People Who are Displaced by AI at Work
    The Common Sense Show



    Published on Jul 1, 2017
     
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    People are funny. They always need a bogeyman or something 'inevitable' to worry about that will end life as we know it. Technology taking their jobs is just one of the latest that is queuing up for prominence. But this same worry has been recycled several times since before the dawn of the industrial revolution. It's nothing new. Musk and Zuckerberg are pushing this nonsense so that everyone can continue to afford to buy their shit. People are not going to become obsolete except by their own choice. Anyone who wants to work will find gainful employment- yesterday, today and tomorrow.

    And our government is already paying a living wage for those who choose to lounge. That is the real concern. With a stipend for laziness you will get a bumper crop of inactivity (and a bunch of fatties with health problems). Economics 101. But robots are not to blame- only an excuse.
     
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    It was Hillarybot!
     
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    Who's gonna fix all those robots when they break? I doubt robots will be doing maintenance anytime soon.

    R.
     
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    Elon Musk = Fake entrepreneur and masked parasite that deceives congress into funding hare-brained schemes...kind of like a "one-man MIC". Apparently he knows how to sell snake oil...
     
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    The people who lost their job ain't gonna be fixing them.m

    When the truckers get shut down, so will the restaurants... truck driving is the most common highest paying job in many stats; most of those people are not going to find a replacement job that pays nearly the same.

    Eventually cashier jobs will be gone, so will flipping burgers. Then what? Eventually the robots will fix the robots, then what?
     
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