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Ryan OPPOSES Trump Killing Obama's Executive Amnesty

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    Ryan OPPOSES Trump Killing Obama's Executive Amnesty

    On Friday, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R-WI) revealed the dirty little secret Republicans have known but have been afraid to articulate for five years. In fact, Republicans were so afraid to articulate this secret that they ran on precisely the opposite promise: getting rid of President Obama’s executive amnesty.

    Ryan stated:

    I actually don’t think he should [revoke executive amnesty]. And I believe that this is something Congress has to fix. Let me back up for a second: President Obama did not have the legislative authority to do what he did…Having said all of that, there are people who are in limbo. These are kids who know no other country, who were brought here by their parents and don’t know any other home. And so I really believe there needs to be a legislative solution, that’s one that we’re working on.


    When President Obama moved forward with executive amnesty in 2012, preventing the deportation of people who came to the US before turning 16 and were under age 31 as of 2012, I cut a video explaining just why Republicans were actually in favor of executive amnesty, despite their public protestations.


    Not to say I told you so, but I did tell you so.


    The goal for Republicans is simple: use the threat of Trump killing executive amnesty to pass one of their own. This is precisely what Elliott Hamilton reports today:

    This program would only be eligible for illegal immigrants who arrived in this country as children prior to January 1, 2012 and were 16 years old and older, making 2.5 million "Dreamers" eligible for this program. The logic behind crafting this bill is to take advantage of President Trump's own personal views that let some of these immigrants remain in the country while simultaneously fulfilling a promise to his base to curb illegal immigration.​


    The proper policy here wouldn’t be blanket amnesty for so-called DREAMers, but a case-by-case assessment as to whether particular illegal immigrants benefit the country’s interests. But that would be too common sense; it would be too difficult to demagogue. Leave it to the Republicans to spend years railing against Obama’s DACA, only to say that Trump should leave it in place until they pass something – precisely the case Obama himself made to the Republicans when he was in the White House.
     
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    Trump backpeddled on shutting down the gov if he didn't get wall funding this week, now it looks like he will allow daca illegals to stay, swamps not even begun to get drained, all of corrupt dc still there, Im very disappointed with all his antics and backpeddling. Only saving grace was Clinton lost.
     
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    Trump is going to lock Clinton up right?
     
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    When pigs fly, I doubt they even investigate it, a letter came out this week showing Comey was writing his not guilty speech for her before the investigation was barely started.
     
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    now that was poignant
     
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    I should have used a different word but poignantly flip the coin and there you have it.
     
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    He could be using it as a bargaining chip for wall funding.
     
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    He (Trump) ought to enter the Olympics swim team as a backstroker. He would win by 50 meters. Shame he caved rather than just walk away with his dignity intact. Now he will always be branded a flip flopper, forever.
     
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    The dreamer act is illegal. All seem to understand that. End it now.

    Go to Mexico etc and Make Latin America Great Again [MLAGA].

    Don't forget to bring a gun with you to fight the drug cartels.
     
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    The swamp has already killed one President.

    Even if Trump accomplishes nothing the next 3 years he'll still go down as successful in my book for showing millions just how corrupt the media, congress and the rest of the DC swamp is.
     
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    Wonder what's going to happen to Obozo when he steps on American soil again.
     
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    I have not heard the Don say anything about the Jew ran media, and the hand full of corporations that own them. I have not heard him say anything about lobbyists.

    And he has not done anything about the banking system.

    He is POTUS, he can do so much other than lip service.
     
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    you guys do understand....if they investigated Clinton she would be guilty.....then what to do about it...#1 a long incarceration (that scares the swamp)....#2 a slap on the wrist (that pisses off everyone not in the swamp)

    the easiest way out is not to investigate and not to find her guilty of anything....


    hell they know she is guilty isnt it a crime to destroy supeona'd evidence and thats a given
     
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    The swamp has already killed one president.
     
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    Why President Trump’s Timing of Ending DACA Is Perfect Political Gamesmanship
    September 4, 2017 by Carter 194 Comments\

    Sunday evening, Politico reported that POTUS Trump is to end DACA following a six month delay.
    This move could not be more genius.

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    The political gamesmanship the President put on display relative to DACA is an example of a “masterstroke”. First off, it must be noted that DACA will be ending after a six month delay. Why the six month delay? Good question, this might be why: Republicans running for primaries during 2018 will HAVE to discuss DACA as it will be a major talking point in both the media and in debates.


    Republicans trying to win their primaries KNOW that the #MAGA base is strong and dedicated to “making America great again,” so these conservatives will have to prove their loyalty to the vision President Trump presented in 2016.

    The House and the Senate both will not have enough votes to execute any sort of motion to keep DACA around and ultimately it would end in a veto, which, again, they would not have enough votes to override.

    DACA will be ending in April and by then, most primaries will take place just a month after, meaning everyone is going to be talking about this, and any #NeverTrump conservatives attempting to run will be stuck between Trump and a hard place, so it will be a tough haul for someone like Senator Jeff Flake to pull a win off and meanwhile, the Democratic plan to run on issues related to economic policy have been utterly disrupted.

    Checkmate?

    .http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...g-ending-daca-perfect-political-gamesmanship/
     
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    What if 800,000 American children had been taken by their parents and other means and brought to another country, not by their choice? Say they were all the things the left claims about DACA people - pure wonderful, indispensable to the country, intelligent etc.

    Wouldn't we, the American people, doing everything and anything to bring these children or older back to our nation, to reunite them with their homeland, to enrich their homeland, to make our country strong and vibrant?

    Why does Mexico not want it's diaspora back? Why do they reject the people of their own country? Could it be the real rulers of Mexico are the Spanish invader families and they see the USA as a relief valve for the native and mestizo people who would otherwise rebel against this clan that really runs Mexico? Plus they send billions back to Mexico relieving the government of responsibility for the failed economy and education system of Mexico. I've been all over Mexico, leave any city and hit the countryside. Nothing but grinding poverty everywhere you look. All roads lead to Mexico City, where the rulers reside. Think Carlos Slim, richest man in Mexico. He's Lebanese, a first generation immigrant to Mexico. Through corruption, he became the boss. If I was a Mexican, I would be picking up my .30 .30 carbine and bringing back the good old days of Benito Juarez, Pancho Villa etc.
     
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    That sounds like Trudeau tier crap...

    "If you kill your enemy, they win!"
     
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    Tech giants and Hollywood stars back Dreamers: Mark Zuckerberg, Lena Dunham, Susan Sarandon and George Takei speak out against Trump's plans to end DACA
    • After it was revealed on Sunday that President Trump is planning to abolish DACA, business leaders and Hollywood stars took to Twitter to voice their fury
    • Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook denounced Trump's decision and signed a letter last week asking the president to keep the Obama-era initiative in place
    • Actors such as Lena Dunham, Gina Rodriguez and George Takei‏ also blasted the repealing of DACA
    • Approximately 790,000 people known as 'Dreamers' are protected under DACA


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4852182/Hollywood-superstars-denounce-Trump-s-Plan-end-DACA.html#ixzz4robvhu48
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    Good to know President Trump is on the right track. If that melee of idiots agrees with you, you got problems.

    .
     
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    Speaking of idiots. You can see the puppet strings on lyin' ryan controlling his every move.

    FLASHBACK 2014: Paul Ryan Says DACA “Blatantly Unconstitutional” – Now He Wants to Keep It
    September 4, 2017 by Jim Hoft 120 Comments
    In a 2014 interview with conservative Sean Hannity before he became Speaker of the House Paul Ryan said Obama’s Dreamer Act was unconstitutional.
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    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/flashback-2014-paul-ryan-says-daca-blatantly-unconstitutional-now-wants-keep/
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    Paul Ryan in 2014 saying #DACA Excutive Amnesty is "Blatantly Unconstitutional"

    He can NOT oppose Trump on ending it! #UnConstitutional

    12:05 AM - Sep 4, 2017




    But that was 2014. Today Paul Ryan is defending it.
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    1 Sep
    [​IMG]Susan Davis

    ✔@DaviSusan
    “I don’t think he should do that. I believe this is something Congress has to fix.” -@SpeakerRyan to @wclo1230 on talk of POTUS ending #DACA

    Follow
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    This is @SpeakerRyan's comments in full: pic.twitter.com/rtZ2vWUIuT

    11:38 AM - Sep 1, 2017
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    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ca-blatantly-unconstitutional-now-wants-keep/



     
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    Perfect! The right people are complaining. That's how we know Trump made the right call....again!
     
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    Screen Shot 2017-09-05 at 8.22.36 AM.png
     
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    Ryan is a RINO and a traitor to the US. Actually, you can say that about ALL Repukes!
     
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    ....and he 'graduated' with a 'degree' in Constitutional Law :belly laugh::laughing:
     
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    Trump administration will 'wind down' DACA and challenge Congress to replace it as Sessions says the 'compassionate' thing to do is to abandon Obama's 'unconstitutional exercise of authority'
    • President Trump signaled his intent this morning to end a program that allows illegal immigrants who arrived as children to live and work in the US
    • His Department of Justice will make a formal announcement at 11 AM Eastern
    • Trump is expected to put a six-month sunset on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program
    • State AGs were threatening to sue DOJ unless Trump made rescinded the policy by today
    • It's up to Congress to save the program protecting some 800,000 illegal immigrants from deportation now or allow it to expire


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4854154/Trump-tells-Congress-ready-job-DACA.html#ixzz4rop3p9mJ
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    'Disgraceful,' 'shameful,' 'despicable,' cruel' and 'bigoted': How Democrats reacted to Trump's 'wind-down' of DACA program as they promise to wage 'the civil rights fight of our generation'
    • Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced Tuesday that DACA was being rescinded
    • The Obama order allowed children brought here illegally to avoid deportation
    • Demcrats reacted with fury online in the moments after the announcement
    • Pelosi said President Trump’s 'cowardice is on full display'
    • Sen. Robert Menendez warned Trump to ‘brace’ himself
    • Six-month delay gives chance for action, but almost every House Republican voted against legislative version of DACA


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4854844/Democrats-call-DACA-wind-disgraceful-shameful.html#ixzz4rp6I3iua
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    These are the poor chattel that Mexico brought to the border in cattle trains and hussein scattered throughout the country without any vetting. Remember that?
    Spreading all kinds of diseases that had long been eradicated in America. Ponder for a minute how much $$$ just the disease part cost us. Keerist.
    Feck them all, box 'em bag 'em and send them all back. And keep their coats.

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    14 Things the MSM Won’t Tell You About DACA

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    The Associated Press

    by JOHN NOLTE5 Sep 20172,004

    Whenever a Republican wants to move forward — you know, pass some legislation or even enforce the law as already written, they always, always, ALWAYS have to run through a mainstream media propaganda gauntlet dedicated to the status quo, loyal only to the Democrat cause and by extension opposed to anything resembling progress.
    Obamacare is an objective disaster; nonetheless, the media fights tooth and nail to save it. Our tax code is a backwards, prosperity-stifling haven for corporatist special interests; nonetheless, the media will do everything in its power to ensure not a single word is altered.

    Then there is illegal immigration, which, like abortion, the MSM treats as its own personal sacrament. Flooding America, primarily Red States, with illegal Democrats who also serve the interests of a Big Business Complex desperate to keep wages low and unions non-existent, there is nothing our corrupt media will not do to keep that illegal flood flooding.

    And so, as President Trump prepares to keep one of his biggest promises and end President Barry’s un-constitutional Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) amnesty program, all we are seeing from our establishment media is the usual-usual propaganda: flat-out lies, half truths, the ignoring of vital pieces of information and points of view, and most of all, emotional blackmail.

    Man alive, the emotional blackmail.

    If your only understanding of this complicated issue comes from the MSM, of course you are outraged over the fact that Trump is about order an army of jackbooted ICE agents to kick in daycare center doors, snatch up all the “brown children,” and then hurl the angelic toddlers (with actual rings of gold hovering over their heads) into cattle cars headed south.

    Hopefully the list below will offer some clarity and context. The first point, I think, is the most important.

    1. This Is Only the Fault of the Parents
    My wife was born in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, and came to America as a small child. But she was brought here by her parents legally and remained here legally until she obtained her citizenship, something she prizes above most everything else. This is how immigration is supposed to work. If you ask my wife about DACA, she blames the parents of these children who, unlike her own parents, broke the law and put their children in this situation.

    If your parents don’t pay the rent, is it the landlord’s fault when you are evicted, or is it the fault of your parents?

    If your parents sneak you into Disneyland without paying, is it Disney’s fault when you are booted out, or is it the fault of your parents?


    If your parents sneak you into a country illegally, is it the country’s fault when you get deported, or is it the fault of your parents?

    Blaming America or Trump or anyone other than the parents for any of this, is a ruse, a con, a rhetorical trick.

    1. DACA Recipients Are Illegal Aliens
    This simple fact has been so downplayed and memory-holed, it just needed to be spoken out loud.

    1. DACA Is a Massive Amnesty Program
    Although the DREAMers are in the country illegally, DACA allows some 800,000 to stay in the country legally without any kind of penalty. Qualified DREAMers are not only given a two-year deferment from deportation, they are eligible for a work permit, which means they can legally take a job in America.

    1. DACA Recipients Are Not the Children
    DACA is eligible only to those aged 15-32.

    A very large percentage of DACA recipients are adults, not children or even minors.

    1. DACA Recipients Take Jobs Americans WILL Do
    The idea that illegal aliens take jobs Americans won’t do is, of course, a lie. Plenty of Americans, most especially young Americans, would love the opportunity to work on a construction site or some other manual labor job. Moreover, if the wages were better, plenty of American would be willing to work in the fields. An untold number of young Americans who live in farm communities already do. But when you flood the country with illegal and/or foreign workers this — by design — suppresses wages to a point where only those willing to be exploited are willing to do this work for almost no money.

    Nevertheless, even this lie does not apply to DREAMers, many of whom have a high school diploma or a GED, and a work permit. These are not field workers, these are hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens competing for the same jobs against the 4 million young Americans who enter the workforce every year.

    1. Some DACA Recipients are Criminals
    Over 5 years, between 2013 and 2017, a total of 2,139 DACA recipients lost their amnesty benefits “due to criminality or gang affiliated concerns.”

    The DACA screening process is in reality a joke, a rubber stamp.

    1. DACA Is Not a Law, It Is the Violation of Law
    President Obama’s DACA program is not a law or even a policy. Rather, it is a brazen violation of the immigration law as written and passed by the American people’s representatives in congress.

    People in the country illegally are supposed to be deported and repatriated into their own country. That is the law here in America. That is the law in every country in the world, including Mexico.

    1. Most DACA Recipients are Not Overachievers
    It seems as though every time we see a DACA recipient in the media, he or she is the next Albert Einstein, someone on the verge of curing cancer and poverty.

    The reality is actually quite different:

    “The [DACA] eligibility bar was set very low, explicitly allowing people with multiple misdemeanor and certain felony convictions to be approved. Only a handful of the applicants were ever interviewed, and only rarely was the information on the application ever verified,” said Jessica M. Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies….

    “[T]his statistic undercuts the image of DACA that has been spread by the pro-illegal alien groups and the news media, that the DACA recipients are mostly college kids. This is not true. We don’t know much about the population, but one of the few credible studies that has been done, by a scholar at Harvard University, found that at most are more than 22 years old, and only about 20 percent graduated from or attended a four-year college. A significant share never went beyond high school. This is not really all that surprising, since over 72 percent come from a family at or below poverty level and accessing some public assistance.”

    While there are some true-life scholars in the DACA program, these are not a representative sample:

    For example, one-third of the people in the study sample who are older than age 25 hold four-year college bachelors’ degrees or better. In contrast, an August 2013 report by the pro-amnesty Migration Policy Institute showed that only 7.5 percent of the 800,000 DACA-qualified illegals who were 18 or older had four-year college degrees or better. An August 2017 study by the MPI showed only 5 percent of 832,000 DACA illegals who were older than 18 had four-year college qualifications.

    Also, the 7.5 percent graduation rate reported by the new study is roughly one-quarter the 33 percent of native-born Americans with four-year degrees.

    1. DACA Is Wildly Unfair to Americans, Most Especially Young Americans Just Starting Out
    You followed the rules. Your parents obeyed the law. You are one of the 4 million Americans ready to enter the workforce every year, eager to begin your own life, to pursue the American dream, but you have to compete against hundreds of thousands of line-jumpers for the same entry-level job.

    Moreover, this flood of labor depresses your wages.

    1. DACA Was Already Litigated and Debated in 2016
    The American people have already had the DACA debate. Hillary Clinton promised to expand DACA. Trump promised to end DACA.

    Trump won.

    1. DACA Encourages More Illegal Immigrants
    Although DACA does not officially grant amnesty to the children of illegal immigrants who have arrived after 2007, the message is still clear: America does not have the will to enforce its own immigration laws. Of course that message works as a magnet for illegals. If you recall

    Obama declared his DACA amnesty in 2012. Central Americans saw the announcement, read the details — and roughly 400,000 people headed north during the next four years.

    Moreover, making that trek is dangerous, especially from South America. People die of exposure and are exploited, sometimes sexually, by the Coyotes they hire to lead them here.

    Illegal immigration is a lose-lose for everyone but Democrats who desire the votes and business owners who do not want to pay a legal resident a fair market wage.

    1. In Most States, DACA Recipients are Eligible for Welfare Benefits
    AZCentral:

    Once DACA applicants are approved and receive a temporary employment authorization card, they can apply for a Social Security Number. Under this number, they can report wages and pay taxes.

    DACA beneficiaries cannot receive federal benefits such as welfare and food stamps. Some states allow for state-funded benefits, but Arizona specifically prohibits it.

    1. Unless It Is Stopped, DACA Will Never Stop Growing
    Every year, more and more illegal aliens become eligible for DACA’s illegal and unconstitutional amnesty program.

    Obama’s deputies low-balled his election-campaign giveaway by initially predicting it would only reach about 560,000 younger illegals who were supposedly brought into the United States by their parents before they turned 16.

    But the amnesty has already provided almost 900,000 work-permits and Social Security cards to illegals who say they are aged 36 or less. More than 92 percent of the applicants got their DACA approvals, with a rejection rate of only 7 percent. The amnesty is expected to rise above 1.9 million people as additional younger illegals become adults and try to enroll in Obama’s giveaway.

    1. DACA Ignores Some Criminal Behavior
    Center for Immigration Studies:

    DACA applies to individuals up to age 31 (as of June 2012, so 35 now) — hardly children; consequently, many Dreamers have long-since terminated their studies and most have committed multiple felonies in order to get jobs — Social Security fraud, forgery, perjury on I-9 forms, falsification of green cards and drivers’ licenses, identity theft, etc. Dreamers continue to commit these job-related crimes right up to the day their DACA status is approved and they obtain work permits and their own genuine Social Security numbers.

    In addition, many illegal aliens qualifying for DACA status have previously been arrested and convicted of multiple misdemeanors and some have previously been or continue to be associated with violent gangs, as evidenced by a report in the Seattle Times that states that over 1,500 Dreamers have had their DACA status revoked since 2012 due to their involvement with criminal gangs.



    On the true merits, the DACA debate is a loser for the Left and their media — which is why the 14 facts above must remain largely unspoken.
     
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    Trump forced Congress to do something, anything. We'll see.
     
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    Trump set the RINO's up, that is the only reason lyin' ryan' popped out of his shell.

    The RINO's push for amnesty and they will be monkey hammered for lying and primaried out of office. = Trump gets what he wants.

    The RINO's actually do what they said they would do for the last 8 years and Trump gets what he wants.

    DACA is a hussein executive order, not a law. President Trump can end it any time he wants, he just want's to out some maggot infested rino's first.

    = Trump gets what he wants.

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    'This is about basic decency!' Obama lashes out at Trump for ending DACA program as he calls it a 'political' and 'cruel' decision – but urges Congress to preserve what he started
    • Former President Barack Obama has responded to President Trump's decision to end DACA
    • Obama signed the order after Congress failed to enact immigration reform
    • He posted on Facebook that DREAMers are 'Americans in their hearts, in their minds'
    • Calls the decision 'cruel,' adding, 'It's a political decision, and a moral question'
    • Obama had vowed to speak out when nation's 'core values' got violated


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4855464/Obama-lashes-Trump-ending-DACA-program.html#ixzz4rq2VsjKx
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    So what about this possibility in this very strange universe. So along with every immigrant that comes in, a new Cestui Que Vue Trust is created. That trust has an amount tied to it, secondary to the pledging of that human being into the system. This amount newly tendered allows PTB to borrow more and continue to add to the National Debt, and allows them to raise the ceiling again, kick the can down the road a little more. There's gotta be more money in it than just cheap labor and conflict with current natives.
     
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    President Trump Releases Statement on DACA…
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    WHITE HOUSE – As President, my highest duty is to defend the American people and the Constitution of the United States of America. At the same time, I do not favor punishing children, most of whom are now adults, for the actions of their parents. But we must also recognize that we are nation of opportunity because we are a nation of laws.

    The legislative branch, not the executive branch, writes these laws – this is the bedrock of our Constitutional system, which I took a solemn oath to preserve, protect, and defend.

    In June of 2012, President Obama bypassed Congress to give work permits, social security numbers, and federal benefits to approximately 800,000 illegal immigrants currently between the ages of 15 and 36. The typical recipients of this executive amnesty, known as DACA, are in their twenties. Legislation offering these same benefits had been introduced in Congress on numerous occasions and rejected each time.


    In referencing the idea of creating new immigration rules unilaterally, President Obama admitted that “I can’t just do these things by myself” – and yet that is exactly what he did, making an end-run around Congress and violating the core tenets that sustain our Republic.

    Officials from 10 States are suing over the program, requiring my Administration to make a decision regarding its legality. The Attorney General of the United States, the Attorneys General of many states, and virtually all other top legal experts have advised that the program is unlawful and unconstitutional and cannot be successfully defended in court.

    There can be no path to principled immigration reform if the executive branch is able to rewrite or nullify federal laws at will.

    The temporary implementation of DACA by the Obama Administration, after Congress repeatedly rejected this amnesty-first approach, also helped spur a humanitarian crisis – the massive surge of unaccompanied minors from Central America including, in some cases, young people who would become members of violent gangs throughout our country, such as MS-13.

    Only by the reliable enforcement of immigration law can we produce safe communities, a robust middle class, and economic fairness for all Americans.

    Therefore, in the best interests of our country, and in keeping with the obligations of my office, the Department of Homeland Security will begin an orderly transition and wind-down of DACA, one that provides minimum disruption.

    While new applications for work permits will not be accepted, all existing work permits will be honored until their date of expiration up to two full years from today. Furthermore, applications already in the pipeline will be processed, as will renewal applications for those facing near-term expiration. This is a gradual process, not a sudden phase out. Permits will not begin to expire for another six months, and will remain active for up to 24 months. Thus, in effect, I am not going to just cut DACA off, but rather provide a window of opportunity for Congress to finally act.

    Our enforcement priorities remain unchanged. We are focused on criminals, security threats, recent border-crossers, visa overstays, and repeat violators. I have advised the Department of Homeland Security that DACA recipients are not enforcement priorities unless they are criminals, are involved in criminal activity, or are members of a gang.

    The decades-long failure of Washington, D.C. to enforce federal immigration law has had both predictable and tragic consequences: lower wages and higher unemployment for American workers, substantial burdens on local schools and hospitals, the illicit entry of dangerous drugs and criminal cartels, and many billions of dollars a year in costs paid for by U.S. taxpayers. Yet few in Washington expressed any compassion for the millions of Americans victimized by this unfair system. Before we ask what is fair to illegal immigrants, we must also ask what is fair to American families, students, taxpayers, and job seekers.

    Congress now has the opportunity to advance responsible immigration reform that puts American jobs and American security first. We are facing the symptom of a larger problem, illegal immigration, along with the many other chronic immigration problems Washington has left unsolved.

    We must reform our green card system, which now favors low-skilled immigration and puts immense strain on U.S. taxpayers. We must base future immigration on merit – we want those coming into the country to be able to support themselves financially, to contribute to our economy, and to love our country and the values it stands for. Under a merit-based system, citizens will enjoy higher employment, rising wages, and a stronger middle class. Senators Tom Cotton and David Perdue have introduced the RAISE Act, which would establish this merit-based system and produce lasting gains for the American People.

    I look forward to working with Republicans and Democrats in Congress to finally address all of these issues in a manner that puts the hardworking citizens of our country first.

    As I’ve said before, we will resolve the DACA issue with heart and compassion – but through the lawful Democratic process – while at the same time ensuring that any immigration reform we adopt provides enduring benefits for the American citizens we were elected to serve. We must also have heart and compassion for unemployed, struggling, and forgotten Americans.

    Above all else, we must remember that young Americans have dreams too. Being in government means setting priorities. Our first and highest priority in advancing immigration reform must be to improve jobs, wages and security for American workers and their families.

    It is now time for Congress to act!

    ~ President Donald J Trump
     
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