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Saudi Arabia: Missile intercepted near Riyadh

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  1. Ensoniq

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    Would be a freakin shame if some of that new pneumonic plague, that has gone airborn and kills in three hours while retaining antibiotic resistance, would get loose from Africa and infect the ME
     
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    Naw. Just naw*and I am snickering* I'm thinking the land of birth has resistance to the respiratory plague. Come on!

    I'v been drinking whif-key all day; taint my fault I'm in a death spiral and haven't landed yet. Yep rebuilt the apple press and dam if it don't go down hill from there, though how it could go any further is way beyond my pay grade; but it did.

    I just would hope these sum-naw-b-otch-is would come out and make their play. But nope.....silly camel jockies and their kissing cousins just keep playing the world..... Ghee-hawd...It is like a bad porno.
     
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    Was US base in Kurdish region of Syria part of deal letting ISIS fighters flee Raqqa?
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    Published on Nov 15, 2017
    A secret deal between the US and UK reportedly helped Islamic State leaders flee the besieged city of Raqqa, Syria. Former Pentagon official Michael Maloof tells RT America’s Ashlee Banks that the report raises questions about the United States’ role in screening the supposed refugees leaving the city.
     
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    Great, so those two terror states can work together to "clean up" their own backyard and the US can stay TF out of it for a change.

    lol yeah right...like that's going to happen.

    If it came to a standup fight Iran would mop the floor with Saudi ass despite the relatively massive gap in military spending that favors the kingdom. I may be mistaken, but I believe Iran has a huge advantage in naval forces...particularly submarines, which could be a huge problem for the Saudis. Obviously the Persians have a huge manpower advantage as well.
     
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    EXCLUSIVE: Saudi Arabia king to step down and hand over the crown to his 32-year-old son after prince rounded up Saudi royals in corruption arrests and had them sleep on bare mattresses in a luxury hotel
    • King Salman of Saudi Arabia is planning to step down next week and name his son Prince Mohammed bin Salman as his successor, a source told DailyMail.com
    • They added: 'King Salman will play the role of the queen of England. He will only keep the title "Custodian of the Holy Shrines"
    • Prince Mohammed bin Salman, 32, ordered the arrests of more than 40 princes and government ministers in a corruption probe in early November
    • The Saudi royals were photographed sleeping on bare mattresses on the floor of the luxury Ritz Carlton hotel
    • Once crowned king, the prince will shift his focus to Iran, a long standing rival oil empire to Saudi Arabia in the Middle East, the source said


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5089229/Saudi-Arabia-king-set-hand-crown-son.html#ixzz4ydi5gJle
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    FWIW...............

    The Saudi Purge is a Global Crisis
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    Published on Nov 17, 2017
    SHOW NOTES AND MP3: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=25008

    The House of Saud is in crisis as MBS consolidates his hold on the kingdom and prepares to transform Saudi Arabia in his image. But what is behind the purge, and how does it relate to the future of the world monetary system. Join James for a classic Corbett Report debriefing on the Saudi purge and the rise of the petroyuan.
     
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    Saudi-Iran proxy war may push Lebanon back into civil strive
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    Published on Nov 18, 2017
    Saudi Arabia and Iran are two regional powers that have long been competing for influence. Lebanon's president claimed that Riyadh may have forced the prime minister to resign because it felt he hadn't done enough to stand up to Hezbollah. The group is backed by Iran, and is an influential political force in Lebanon. RT's Eisa Ali looks at the reason why many fear that the country could return to civil war.
     
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    They are both Shemites and sons of Abraham; blood allies.

    The Iranians however, have created alliances with other military powers: two of which are China and Russia.

    I hear not so distant war-drums pounding, which will also make an excellent distraction from our own domestic issues.

    By the way, I heard HRC's link to Uranium One mentioned for the first time in the MSM yesterday.

    BIGGER distractions are coming.
     
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    Thanks search. Very interesting video to say the least.
     
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    What will be interesting is the outcome a few years down the road. Increased Iranian presence means Hezzbollah is emboldened to attack Israel, this time around Israel with Saudi's and Egypt's help will have to make a move all the way up to the Euphrates ( sound silly, but prophesied ?) ...and of course, this coming confrontation goes unreported here in the states. Stay tuned, the Sunni Shia bloodbath ( Killfest) will continue...Islamic bloodshed tends to increase during feeding frenzies.
     
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    Staying Power: US forces set to remain in Syria despite ISIS elimination
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    Published on Nov 20, 2017
    The Syrian army has advanced against ISIS towards the Iraqi border, as the military pushes remaining terrorists out of the country. Earlier, it took control of the last ISIS stronghold in the country - the town of Abu-Kemal.

    Despite the fact that ISIS is almost eliminated in Syria, however, American forces don't seem to be planning to withdraw from the country that they invaded on the pretext of fighting terror.

    RT's Jacqueline Vouga explains.

    Former US diplomat Jim Jatras questions the reasons behind Washington not wanting to withdraw from Syria, even after the elimination of ISIS.
     
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    Nothing to see. Best bet is to listen in one window and play around on GIM or surf the web in a different window. Take it fwiw and dyodd.

    Saudi Arabia and Iran - On the Brink of Disaster
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    Published on Nov 20, 2017
    Iran, Saudi Arabia, and their puppets and allies, seem to be on the brink of a major Middle Eastern conflict.

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    Fake news? True? :don't know:

    EXCLUSIVE: 'American mercenaries are torturing' Saudi elite rounded up by new crown prince - and billionaire Prince Alwaleed was hung upside down 'just to send a message'
    • Source in Saudi Arabia says American private security contractors are carrying out'interrogations' on princes and billionaires arrested in crackdown
    • Detained members of Saudi elite have been hung by their feet and beaten by interrogates, source says
    • Among those hung upside down are Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, an investor worth at least $7 billion who is being held at Riyadh's Ritz Carlton
    • Arrests were ordered three weeks ago by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
    • Source claims mercenaries are from 'Blackwater', a claim also made by Lebanese president
    • But its successor firm denies it has any operations in Saudi Arabia whatsoever and says its staff abide by U.S. law
    • Americans who commit torture abroad can be jailed for up to 20 years


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5108651/American-mercenaries-torturing-Saudi-princes.html#ixzz4zCajDjlt
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    Is anyone the least bit surprised? Really?

    Every excuse we're fed for these military invasions always turns out to be a lie. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya...all these reptiles do is lie and what's really sad is huge numbers of Amerikans can't even focus long enough to recognize that they've been deceived. The narrative just morphs over time from "weapons of mass destruction" to "ZOMG Saddam is EVIL!" or "We have to stop Bin Laden!" to "ZOMG Taliban = BAD!". Then of course after those lies run their course it turns into "well, we can't leave now...we own this mess!". It's beyond ridiculous that so many can't see this scam for what it really is at this point.
     
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    Very good explanation. The last few muinutes right on- let it be no surprise when it occurs....and keep in mind, evil is commonly used to kill evil, a fine balance is always maintained on God's green Earth.
     
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    'Bringing peace to the mess in the Middle East': Trump promises Turkey that the US will drop support for Syrian Kurds
    • President Trump spoke with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Friday
    • The call confirmed the US would cut supply of arms to Kurdish fighters in Syria
    • Trump said before the call he would be 'bringing peace to the mess that (he) inherited in the Middle East'
    • The White House said they also discussed the political process for ending the Syrian civil war and Turkish purchases of U.S. military equipment


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5115569/The-Latest-US-adjusts-military-support-Syria-partners.html#ixzz4zS5c5eii
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    Erdogen is an Islamist - trump should steer away from him not toward him
     
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    If you are an ally of US, any minute you can be dropped like hot potato – journalist Hiwa Osman
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    Published on Nov 25, 2017
    The U.S. president has apparently agreed to stop supplying weapons to Kurdish fighters, who are currently battling Islamic State in Syria.
    Turkey's foreign minister says Trump made the pledge in a phone call to his country's leader. Read more: https://on.rt.com/8t1v
     
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    ‘The Saudis are Going to Fight Tehran to the Last Dead American’
    Posted on November 27, 2017 by Lambert Strether

    Lambert here: NC readers, this Real News Network segment on our friends, the Saudis, concludes with grounds for optimism, in this exchange between TRNN’s Paul Jay and Larry Wilkerson:

    PAUL JAY: [The administration] can’t execute much of anything right now.

    LARRY WILKERSON: You’ve got a point. I’ve often said, and from time to time Colin Powell and I would joke about that the best thing going for us was incompetence.

    So, “gridlock is our friend” in foreign policy, as well. (By contrast, we were extremely competent at overthrowing Qaddafi and getting his country bombed, and look where that got us.)

    * * *




    PAUL JAY: Welcome to The Real News Network. I’m Paul Jay, and we are live on Facebook and YouTube and TheRealNews.com and now joining us is Larry Wilkerson. Larry was the former chief of staff for U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell. He’s currently an adjunct professor of government at the College of William and Mary and a regular contributor to The Real News. Thanks for joining us again, Larry.

    LARRY WILKERSON: Good to be here, Paul.

    PAUL JAY: Whether this works or not, I don’t know, but if you look at Flynn’s appearance on RT, and I wish we had the clip. I wasn’t ready for this, but when Flynn went to Russia, to Moscow, and appeared on RT television for an extended interview with a bunch of journalists and Russian foreign policy people, and he was asked about the Syria situation, and essentially said, “We will hand …” This is Flynn. He wasn’t yet the national security advisor, but he was clearly going to be, and he was working with the Trump campaign. He got in trouble for this appearance. I don’t know why, but he got paid for this appearance. He said, “If you’ll just figure out a way to ease Assad out, we can work Syria out with you so that you can control …” It may not have been the exact words, but he essentially says, “You can control the outcome in Syria, but you’re going to have to not save Assad himself.” This is about convergence of interests, is what I’m saying, not just two individuals making a deal.

    LARRY WILKERSON: No, I don’t disagree with that. Here’s what I would say, Paul. There’s another version to this, that all these conspiratorial talks and everything that are being pitched by the Democrats as such, for political gain as much as anything else, were in fact something not that much different from what Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon did with regard to the first European intermediaries and then the Pakistani intermediaries with China. Not at all different from that, if we put a more positive spin on it. In other words, Trump and his team, such as it was, saw that Russia-U.S. relations were seriously deteriorating, and they wanted to rescue them for whatever reason. It could have been a private reason, money, heavy debt, whatever. It doesn’t matter. They wanted to rescue it. Geostrategically, that’s not a bad proposition.

    All they were doing in these initial meetings was what Henry and Dick did. They just weren’t in office yet. They were trying to establish contacts, some of them out of the regular channels because they knew the regular channels were corrupt as hell, which is exactly what Dick and Henry did. They cut the State Department completely out of the rapprochement with China. I don’t see any fault in that, if that is indeed what they were trying to do, get a situation going where they could have better relations. If they wanted to trade things off, as great powers and others have done since time immemorial, that’s fine too. If they want to trade Assad off, that’s fine too.

    Did Putin suddenly decide that he was dealing with idiots, and so he decided to violate the deal, or did he just decide to violate the deal because he likes Assad, or he found himself on more propitious strategic grounds than he thought he would be, and said, “Oh, I’m not living up to the full part of the bargain.” I don’t know, but it’s always dangerous when you make these kinds of bargains with people who are as slippery, as shrewd, and play chess and not checkers like you, like Putin.

    PAUL JAY: Yeah. I agree with everything you said. I’m not in any way … I shouldn’t say … There is one way I am critiquing this. Anything that lowers tensions between any of the major powers is a good thing in my mind.

    LARRY WILKERSON: I agree.

    PAUL JAY: But, what I’m getting at, or I guess what I’m asking, in terms of targeting Iran, which I do not think this administration has given up on, far from it, the Saudis I think are aggressive as anything. In fact, a lot of this purge, and I’m not sure enough has been made of this, but the purge of these various princes by the new crown prince in Saudi Arabia, some of that seems to have been princes who were opposed to this very anti-Iranian policy of the crown prince.

    LARRY WILKERSON: Yes, opposed to the split with Qatar, which was in my view utterly stupid, strategically inept, breaking up the GCC that way.

    PAUL JAY: It’s all about getting ready for an even more aggressive stance towards Iran. What I’m saying is, I’m not so sure Russia will mitigate that aggression towards Iran.

    LARRY WILKERSON: I’m not sure Russia will be willing to step into that one, because I think that would be propitious for Putin to stand on the sidelines and watch the United States, mainly because of Israel and its commitment to Israel, and to a certain extent Saudi Arabia, get sucked into it. That’s exactly my expectation, that we are going to, as one headline had it the other day, be the Saudis’ proxy. The Saudis are going to fight Tehran to the last dead American, and the Israelis of course will fight Hezbollah to the last dead American. They’ll do a little bit better of the fighting, but that’s the way it will be. The Saudis are utterly incompetent at military operations. You’re seeing that in Yemen. They drop their bombs from so high altitude because their pilots are scared to death of getting hit by antiaircraft fire that the bombs go everywhere, schools, hospitals, churches. It is going to be, if it is going to be, an extremely brutal war.

    Iran will respond probably asymmetrically. They will not exchange hardware with Saudi Arabia. They will send the Quds Force, now highly trained and highly capable, into the oil-producing regions of Saudi Arabia, where Shia mostly work, and they will stoke those Shia, and the kingdom, and Mohammad bin Salman, this consolidating of power crown prince will suddenly have a rebellion on his hands. This could really get bad. It can go bad really fast.

    PAUL JAY: We’re in a very dangerous moment in various places in the world. Just to add-

    LARRY WILKERSON: Paul, we’re exactly as you just characterized it, and what we have in Washington is a bunch of amateurs with no experience. I include Rex Tillerson in that. That is not what you want on your team when you’re in this kind of situation.

    PAUL JAY: And, a very divided Washington. I’m reading reports, I don’t know how credible they are because obviously I’m not so sure of the websites I’ve been seeing them, but apparently a real split between the Pentagon and sections of the CIA, which apparently don’t buy this policy of maintenance of the Assad era, or what should I say, accepting Assad is going to stay in power. There’s sections of the CIA that are continuing to fund and arm anti-Assad Islamic forces in Syria, and that the Pentagon is seriously at odds with these people in the CIA. Have you heard this?

    LARRY WILKERSON: I haven’t. My question there as always, and has been recently, does the president know about this? Does McMaster know about this? Is this happening beneath their watch, as it did with Ronald Reagan with the Contras and Sandinistas in South America, Honduras and Nicaragua? Ronald Reagan did not know everything that Bill Casey and his minions were doing, including Bob Gates. There were things going on between the president’s watch, if you will. Who cares what the reason was, dotage, or inattention, or whatever? That happens from time to time with the CIA. When you get these internecine bureaucratic battles beneath it, it gets even worse. I wouldn’t be surprised at all, because I have seen it before in the historical record, in the archives, in testimony. It’s there.

    PAUL JAY: Maybe we should welcome it. If everyone in the state, and the deep state, and the Pentagon, and CIA were all monolithic in their view of what to do next, we might be a lot closer to an attack on Iran and Iraq. Maybe this is a good thing. They can’t execute much of anything right now.

    LARRY WILKERSON: You’ve got a point. I’ve often said, and from time to time Colin Powell and I would joke about that the best thing going for us was incompetence.

    PAUL JAY: Yeah. I think I’ve been saying that. “Welcome the circus and chaos of the Trump show, because the alternative is worse.”

    This entry was posted in Banana republic, Guest Post, Middle East, Politics, Russia on November 27, 2017 by Lambert Strether.

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/11/saudis-going-fight-tehran-last-dead-american.html
     
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    Kurdish dilemma: What next for US & world’s largest ethnic minority?
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    Published on Nov 27, 2017
    Turkey says it's high time the US stopped arming Kurdish forces in Syria. The issue has been a long-term stumbling block in relations between the two NATO giants, with Ankara claiming the US is arming one terror group to fight another. However, America seems to have its own definitions to describe the various Kurdish groups in the region, as Sameera Khan explains.
     
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    I have a "neat idea". We officialy support Saudi scum but secretly sell arms to Iran via Israel and use the monies to help the Kurds!
     
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    Riding two horses at same time? US performs Kurdish-Turkish balancing act as ISIS defeat looms
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    Turkey claims that the US president had promised to stop arming Kurdish forces. However, there's apparently no clear position in the White House on the matter.

    Kurdish forces have been successfully fighting Islamic State in northern Syria. The US has long been providing the Kurds with military equipment - something that's been irritating Washington's NATO ally, Turkey. Murad Gazdiev explains.
     
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    Not much has changed since the first great Iraqi Iranian war ( Killfest) 1980-1988. However, Saddam was the instigator, today Iran is. Both used nerve agents, blood agents, and many other Chem weapons....casualties were historic ( 5th battle of Basra, 30,000 Iranians killed in one day), and Iran ran so low on troops they sent in brigades of children as human waves to clear the minefields and weaken Iraqi lines...more than 2 million casualties on each side, both suffering 400,000- 600,000 DEAD. Nice bunch, heh? True, Saudi spent $6 billion supplying Iraq, but also condemned the use of Iraqi chem weapons and air strikes on cities ( civilian casualties came close to military ones). Much like our own Gulf War I, they both have been preparing for Gulf War II. The great Sunni Shia Killfest will continue, however I expect the Saudi's to put Pakistan's nukes to good use in Iran if Mecca is threatened.
     
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    lol Yes Iran is obviously very militant, why just look at what they've done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and Libya! Oh wait it's Israel's lap dog enforcer that I'm thinking of...nevermind.
     
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    If this video is true, the cia is brewing coup d’état.
     
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    Events often are unseen, not what you would " like" to happen, but this one proves much is happening behind the scenes. For all those anti- Israeli and pro-Islamic agenda packers, explain this....yes, add Russia to a " behind the scenes" Alliance....Russia is credited with dealing with ISIS, seems they have the credentials to take care of radical Islam. Keep in mind Egypt has an ISIS problem in the Sinai.....and do realize Israel becomes stronger every day, wonder why?

    "Egypt published a draft agreement between Russia and Egypt on Thursday allowing both countries to use each other's air space and air bases for their military planes.

    The government decree, signed on November 28, orders the Russian Defense Ministry to hold negotiations with Egyptian officials and to sign the document once both sides reach an agreement.

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu visited Cairo for talks with Egypt’s political and military leadership on Wednesday and the decree said the draft had been “preliminary worked through with the Egyptian side” and approved by Medvedev."

    www.watch.org

    It seems the world has finally had it's fill of Islamic terror, expect it to be dealt with accordingly. Go Trump.
     
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    Storm clouds gathering


    The Syrian civil war is almost over. President Basher Assad remains in power, and Iran and its proxy Hezbollah are the clear victors.

    Disconcertingly, the Americans and Russians have apparently agreed to let Hezbollah and Iranian ground forces remain, threatening Israel's northern borders. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has given assurances that Israel's security will not be threatened, but Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that, if necessary, Israel will take military steps to keep the Iranians at bay. This will require a balancing act because Netanyahuf does not wish to jeopardize his good relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin.



    The tension is being compounded by Iranian threats to destroy Israel and by the upheavals in Lebanon, with Prime Minister Saad Hariri announcing his resignation but retracting it a week later, and President Michel Aoun warning of an imminent Israeli attack.

    Israel, meanwhile, is developing a common front with Saudi Arabia. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has described the Iranian supreme leader as a new Hitler. IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot told a Saudi newspaper that Israel is willing to share intelligence about Iran with Saudi Arabia. In turn, two Saudi former ministers visited a Paris synagogue – an important signal.

    Yet the covert alliance between the moderate Sunnis and Israel is based on expediency and may not last long.

    The Saudis insist they have no relationship with Israel, yet they exert major influence on U.S. President Donald Trump and have urged him to revisit their original plan, which does not meet Israel's security requirements.

    Collaboration with Egypt against the Islamic State group and the personal relationship with President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi are excellent, but the Egyptian media and mosques continue their anti-Semitic incitement.

    The Palestinian unity government has not lessened Hamas' ambition to obliterate Israel and determination to retain control of Gaza.

    Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas continues his anti-Israel incitement but maintains military coordination with Israel. He shows no sign of willingness to make concessions and continues rewarding terrorist prisoners – including Hamas members – and their families.

    The EU seems prepared to boycott Israeli settlement products, an unprecedented step. However, the determining factor regarding diplomacy rests with the U.S., where public opinion and Congress remain pro-Israel.

    Still, given the many contradictory signals, one can only tentatively guess what Trump's intentions are.

    Trump failed to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem ( my edit, patience my friends) and has done nothing to punish Abbas for financially rewarding terrorists. He has, essentially, extended President Barack Obama's policy of talking to both parties and ignoring Palestinian intransigence.

    Secretary of State Rex Tillerson announced that he would close the PLO's Washington office if Abbas initiated war crimes proceedings against Israel and refused to enter serious peace negotiations. In response, the Palestinians threatened to sever relations with the Americans, and the U.S. quickly backtracked.

    There are unsubstantiated reports that early next year the administration will announce a U.S.-drafted peace plan, including a two-state solution not based on the 1949 armistice lines. It is said to stipulate that no one would be displaced and could include limiting settlement growth to the major blocs. It is not believed to deal with Jerusalem.

    Despite lip service to the contrary, the PLO has always opposed a two-state solution, as evidenced by its refusal to compromise over the claimed Palestinian "right of return" to Israel.

    These proposals would be accompanied by confidence-building proposals and the Palestinians would receive generous economic aid from the Sunni Arab states. They would be required to cease campaigns for international recognition as well as financial rewards to terrorists. Most of Israel's security needs, such as an ongoing Israeli presence in the Jordan Valley, would be assured.

    Netanyahu and American officials have denied the accuracy of these reports and declined to comment.

    In this volatile, uncertain environment, some things remain clear: Israel must maintain deterrence and be guided exclusively by its security requirements.

    The Trump administration's proposal will have a significant political impact. If Israeli security needs are met, Netanyahu will do his utmost for peace. But he rightly believes that there is no chance for peace with a Palestinian leadership that remains committed to Israel's destruction. He seeks to persuade Trump to hold the Palestinians accountable while displaying a willingness to intensify confidence-building initiatives to enhance their quality of life.

    A powerful campaign is needed to deliver this message to the U.S. administration. Netanyahu's adversaries must realize that no other Israeli can handle this as effectively as the prime minister.

    Between the histrionic media campaign against Netanyahu, the ultra-Orthodox parties' threats to bring down the government, the American Reform and Conservative movements' use of the Western Wall issue to whip up anger against Israel, and Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely's lambasting of American Jews, Israel's internal cohesion and relations with the Diaspora have been harshly tested. Now is the time for Israeli and Diaspora Jews to set aside their differences. Those who appreciate Israel's importance must display unity in the face of the storm clouds gathering around us.

    Isi Leibler's website can be viewed at www.wordfromjerusalem.com. Email: ileibler@leibler.com.


    2018 promises to be historic.
     
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    What's weird is you think those two go hand in hand. Surely none could be anti-Israeli terror *AND* anti-Islamist terror. The same simple manipulation tactics are employed here as are employed to keep people in the false left vs right political paradigm. Hey, obviously if you oppose Trump's agenda you must be a communist hillary backing leftists right? If you oppose military interventionism all over the world then you surely MUST be a cowardly unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer...

    Same playbook over and over. Neocons love this fearmongering bs.
     
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    Then why is Israel resorting to sharing intel with Saudi Arabia? Israel looks silly and desperate.
     
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    Because both countries are run by the same tribe.
     
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    Body parts stashed in fridges, horrific accounts of torture and mystery disappearances: Full horror of President Assad's regime laid bare as smuggled documents held in secret location are opened for the first time
    • Operatives smuggled 800,000 documents out of Syria for evidence of Assad's war crimes
    • One was wounded fleeing with a case full of documents, another was killed in an ambush
    • At least 400,000 have been killed while thousands are held in detention centres
    • Papers reveal corpses stacked in hallways, bodies with eyes gouged out and unexplained disappearances


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5139433/Files-President-Assads-war-crimes-revealed.html#ixzz50CHCK88J
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    This "news" is nothing new. Islamic violence against Islamists far exceeds in numbers and brutality any "atrocities" the West has ever committed against Islam. The great Sunni Shia kill fest will continue and intensify. There can only be one Islam left standing, which one will it be? Sunni or Shia?
     
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    Really? I'm sure that'll be very comforting for the half a million or so that died in the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24547256

    What's the death toll associated with the illegal invasion of Libya? Drone strikes in Yemen? ...and now the lamestream media is filled with propaganda crap about how horrible Assad is. The idiotic warmongering for profit never ends.
     
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    Careful in supplying " sources". Read carefully, your sources readily admit they are estimates to include " infrastructure collapse", " heart attacks,"....pales in comparison to the Iraq Iran war in the eighties. Keep in mind the great Sunni Shia Killfest which started in 668 AD is still going strong, and the Islamic Killfest is claiming more every day....they proved with their use of nerve agent, gas, and chemical weapons there will be no end to the Brutal, Islamic slaughter...best to let the world's " children" continue to "work it out" amongst themselves, i.e., Syria, 400,000 more and still counting....stay tuned for the Iranian Saudi ( Shia/Sunni) showdown fast approaching.

    "But the ongoing political wars between Sunna and Shi'a still cause many thousands of deaths: the eight year war (1980-1988) between Iraq, which was then ruled by the Sunni Saddam Hussein, and Iran of the Shi'ite Ayatollahs, resulted in well over a million deaths on both sides,..."
     
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    It's also dated October of 2013 and as you know, US forces are still in Iraq. If it's not to your liking try this one:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

    There a at least a half dozen more credible estimates, but the bottom line is hundreds of thousands died to enrich corporate interests. Our president lied about our reasons for war and is a war criminal along with the CONgressional cockroaches that went right along with it.
    That's not my concern. Stupid people have been murdering one another over idiotic differences of opinion related to their particular version of a "diety" since forever.
     
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    Saudi-Led Blockade Cuts Fuel Lifeline to Yemen

    December 6, 2017 by Reuters

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    A ship is seen at the Red Sea port of Hodeidah, Yemen November 26, 2017. Picture taken November 26, 2017. REUTERS/Abduljabbar Zeyad


    By Jonathan Saul and Selam Gebrekidan LONDON, Dec 6 (Reuters) – No fuel shipments have reached Yemen’s largest port for a month, a Reuters analysis of port and ship tracking data shows, as a Saudi Arabian-led blockade on the war-torn country tightens despite international calls for the siege to end.

    Tankers laden with oil have turned away from Hodeida, the biggest entry point for cargo to the devastated north, without unloading. The United Nations’ body tasked with inspecting ships seeking to enter the area said on Wednesday it could not say when such ships would be allowed through.

    The shortage means areas hardest hit by war, malnutrition and cholera lack functioning hospital generators, cooking fuel and water pumps. It also makes it harder to move food and medical aid around the country. At least one in four people in the nation of 28 million is starving, according to the United Nations, as a three-year civil war, stoked by regional foes Saudi Arabia and Iran, rages on.

    The United Nations and individual governments including Britain have urged Saudi Arabia over the past few weeks to loosen its blockade on Yemen’s northern Red Sea ports.

    In a statement to Reuters, a spokesperson for the U.N. inspection body, the Verification and Inspection Mechanism for Yemen (UNVIM), said the Saudi-led coalition forces have refused tankers permission to enter Hodeida despite its approval, “and repeated attempts by the vessels to proceed … The coalition has repeatedly said their priority is food only.”

    The coalition has turned away up to 12 tankers in recent weeks, the UNVIM spokesperson said, adding: “UNVIM is unable to say when the coalition will allow fuel tankers to enter Yemen’s Red Sea ports’ anchorage areas.”

    Saudi Arabia and its allies, with the backing of the United States, first positioned warships in Yemeni waters in 2015. Since then, commercial shipments to Hodeida and other ports controlled by Iran-backed Houthi militia have suffered severe restrictions and delays.

    In early November, after a Houthi ballistic missile was fired into Riyadh, Saudi Arabia blocked all Yemen’s ports, preventing any shipments – including humanitarian aid – from entering the country.

    Since then, Riyadh has reopened southern ports, including Aden, which are under the control of the Saudi-backed internationally recognized government, and allowed humanitarian aid into Hodeida.

    But the squeeze on commercial shipments to Hodeida has tightened.

    According to Hodeida port records, Saudi-led military forces last month ordered at least six oil tankers to leave the port before unloading. Captain Mohammed Ishaq, executive chairman of the Yemen Red Sea Ports Corporation, which operates Hodeida, told Reuters on Tuesday no fuel shipments had reached the port since Nov. 6.

    The International Committee of the Red Cross warned last week that water systems in nine cities including Hodeida had run out of fuel stocks. Since then, “as a last resort,” it said it has supplied fuel to the water authorities of Hodeida and Taiz to help provide clean water to over one million people, as well as to several hospitals in the embattled capital of Sanaa.

    A spokesman for the Saudi coalition could not be reached for comment.

    Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir told Reuters last month that no country in the world had provided more aid to Yemen than Saudi Arabia. Al-Jubeir said the aid was only distributed in government-held areas and not Houthi areas, because “the Houthis steal the aid and they sell it for profit.”

    But aid agencies say aid can only cover a fraction of the nation’s needs.

    “We’re facing the worst famine seen in decades, and that won’t change unless commercial shipments of food and fuel are allowed in,” said Shane Stevenson, Yemen country director with aid group Oxfam.

    SOARING FUEL COSTS
    Residents of Hodeida say the shortage has pushed up the price of existing fuel. The price of 200 liters of petrol on the black market costs 11,000 Yemeni riyals compared with 5,200 riyals before the conflict, residents say.

    A 50 kg bag of flour has climbed to 8,500 riyals from 7,000 riyal before the closures on Nov. 6.

    Iman Ahmed, a 43-year-old teacher in Hodeida, said in late November the high price of diesel was having a devastating effect in rural areas outside of the port city.

    “Fisherman have stopped working because of warships and coalition air strikes. Farmers have stopped work because of a sharp rise in the price of diesel.”

    Abdo Haidar, a 43-year-old father of seven, said separately: “Life has become so hard.

    “Before the war things were going OK, there were jobs, I was able to feed my family. Now … gas is barely available and basic necessities cost double. Most of the time our food is now bread and tea.” (Reporting by Jonathan Saul in London and Selam Gebrekidan in Yemen; Additional reporting by Stephanie Nebehay in Geneva, Michele Nichols in New York and Stephen Kalin in Riyadh; Edited by Alessandra Galloni and Sara Ledwith)

    (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2017.

    Filed Under: Maritime News Tagged With: yemen

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    Interesting, Iran is getting missiles and arms into Yemen, but fuel and food is being blockaded. There is more to this story.
     
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