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Stein raises enough money to request recounts in three states

Discussion in 'Politics Forum (Local/National/World)' started by platinumdude, Nov 24, 2016.



  1. platinumdude

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    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...ennsylvania/gmziuhamGOjDgYitbQpWSJ/story.html


    Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein on Wednesday called for a recount in three key states — Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania — and appeared to quickly raise more than the $2.2 million her campaign said was needed to pay for the recounts.

    “After a divisive and painful presidential race, in which foreign agents hacked into party databases, private email servers, and voter databases in certain states, many Americans are wondering if our election results are reliable,” Stein said in a statement on her campaign website.

    “That’s why the unexpected results of the election and reported anomalies need to be investigated before the 2016 presidential election is certified. We deserve elections we can trust.”

    The fundraising effort sought to collect at least $2.2 million, which Stein’s campaign said would be enough to pay for costs associated with filing for recounts. It sought to raise the money by 4 p.m. central time Friday, or one hour before the deadline to request a recount in Wisconsin, which has the earliest deadline of the three states.

    As of about 1:30 a.m. Thursday — just several hours after the announcement — it had raised more than $2.36 million, according to a regularly-updating tally on the fundraising website.

    On Twitter, #Recount2016 and “Jill Stein” were trending.

    The fundraising website said that the state-level Green Parties in Massachusetts and Ohio were also accepting contributions “to kickstart the recount initiative.”

    The effort by Stein, of Lexington, Mass., comes after a report Tuesday evening by New York magazine that said that a group of activists, including computer scientists and election lawyers, were urging Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to call for a recount in those same three states.

    But one of the main figures named in the report has since said the article was inaccurate and included “some incorrect numbers.” Two of the three states have defended their procedures.

    Stein’s campaign said on the fundraising website that their push for recounts were “not intended to help Hillary Clinton.”

    “These recounts are part of an election integrity movement to attempt to shine a light on just how untrustworthy the U.S. election system is,” the website said.

    In a video posted on Stein’s Facebook page Wednesday afternoon, her campaign manager, David Cobb, outlined the cost and deadlines to file for recounts in each state.

    He said that about $1.1 million would be needed to file for a recount in Wisconsin, where the deadline is Friday; another $500,000 would be needed for Pennsylvania, where the deadline is Monday; and $600,000 more would be needed by Wednesday for a recount in Michigan.

    Recount rules vary by state, but generally states only cover costs for automatic recounts, or ones triggered when election results are within a specified, close margin.

    Otherwise, the candidate or party that petitions the recount must first pay a deposit toward the cost of conducting the recount, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

    The deposit is refunded if the recount reverses the election results. If not, the petitioner has to pay for most of the costs associated with the recount.

    The Stein campaign said that any recount would involve additional expenses beyond the money needed to file, including attorney fees and the costs of statewide recount observers that could bring the total tab to between $6 million and $7 million.

    The fundraising website site also said, “We cannot guarantee a recount will happen in any of these states we are targeting. We can only pledge we will demand recounts in those states.”

    Cobb said unused money that’s raised would go toward “election integrity efforts.”

    He said the effort is not about trying to change the election results, unless a recount finds that the results were wrong.

    In the video, Cobb did not directly cite the New York magazine report, but did name an election integrity lawyer from Ohio who he said “helped alert us to this problem and where we should go.”

    Cobb also said: “Over the last 48 to 72 hours, reports have come in from cyber experts, from forensic experts, and others who are reporting to us some very troubling news about the possibility of security breaches in voting results across this country in this past election cycle ... The experts are telling us that it’s worthy of investigating these three states.”

    “The reason that we’re doing this is that we do not have confidence in the integrity of election results themselves,” he said.

    The fundraising website, meanwhile, said that, “election integrity experts have independently identified Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin as states where ‘statistical anomalies’ raised concerns,” and that in each of those states, “data suggests a significant need to verify machine-counted vote total.”

    Clinton won the popular vote but lost to Republican Donald J. Trump in the Electoral College, which decides the presidency.

    The New York magazine article reported that activists had claimed to have found data — but no proof — showing that results may have been “manipulated or hacked” in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania — three states where Clinton lost by just a narrow margin.

    But one of the computer scientists, J. Alex Halderman, a computer science professor from the University of Michigan, said in a blog post Wednesday morning that the magazine’s article was inaccurate.

    “Were this year’s deviations from pre-election polls the results of a cyberattack? Probably not. I believe the most likely explanation is that the polls were systematically wrong, rather than that the election was hacked,” Halderman wrote.

    The New York magazine story said that the activist group had presented Clinton’s campaign with “findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000.”

    But Reid Magney, a spokesman for the Wisconsin Elections Commission, in an e-mail to the Globe Wednesday morning, said officials there were “unaware of any attempts to hack Wisconsin’s voting equipment or the vote-tabulating process.”

    “Most all of the stuff we’re seeing on Twitter and other sites questioning the results is based on unofficial results which contain some errors that have been corrected by the county boards of canvass,” said Magney.

    “These sorts of analysis that depend on comparing exit polls to unofficial or official election results are fraught with problems,” he added. “People lie to exit pollsters.”

    He also said the activists’ “characterization of which counties use electronic voting equipment versus paper ballots is incorrect or incomplete.”

    “In Wisconsin, about 85 percent of all ballots cast are paper ballots (80 percent tabulated by optical scanners, 5 percent counted by hand) and about 10 percent are touch-screen machines that have a voter-verified paper audit trail,” Magney said. “The federal standard for electronic voting equipment accuracy is 1 error in 500,000 ballots. Our previous audits have never found that level of error in any voting system used in the state.”

    A spokesman for the Michigan Secretary of State’s office, Fred Woodhams, in an e-mail to the Globe said: “Michigan exclusively uses optical-scan paper ballot voting systems so I’m uncertain how researchers could have found differences between Michigan counties that supposedly use different voting systems.”

    Pennsylvania Department of State spokeswoman Wanda Murren told the Globe in an e-mail that officials there were aware of the New York magazine report but declined to comment, noting the deadline to contest the results has not passed.
     
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    If these election results get compromised everyone responsible will find themselves in a very scary place. Riots and demonstrations won't even begin to describe the violence that will follow.
     
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    On the bright side, it will give a boost to gold and silver. Ha. Hopefully this does not happen. If we don't hear of anything by Friday evening, then it's not going to happen.
     
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    It will boost the price of lead and brass too!!
     
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    There has been plenty of time for the DNC to stuff the ballot boxes.
    Not that the DNC would do something unlawful.

    These idiots must truly want to go to war with 60,000,000 people.
     
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    A recount in Michigan? They haven't declared the winner yet - WTF?
     
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    More money than she was able to raise during her campaign.
     
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    ...yeah...yer wasting your time. Anyone with a brain and a pulse knows this sh1t is rigged.

    I believe Hildabeast would need all three to reverse the election and Pennsylvania didn't even end up being all that close. 68k or so last I checked. Waste of time.
     
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    Or world hunger, or illiteracy, or anything we normally don't give two shitz about.....
     
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    I agree the money could be well spent elsewhere. If I remember correctly the last few recounts the Democrats requested resulted them in losing votes from the total. They might be opening a Pandora's box that they did not expect to lift the lid on.
     
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    Don't think she would have the standing to request a recount, no way in hell she can say she was hurt by any potential fraud, don't know how the law reads but anytime someone challenged oatsamas legitimacy they were denied because they could not show they were hurt if he was in fact illegal.
     
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    Excellent point.
     
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    Just another politician trying to stay relevant. Good luck with that I say!
     
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    You have the scenario correct but not the details, let me help

    The many challenges to Obama's legitimacy were denied, because he was "Black"

    History will probably miss this detail but I know better because I was there:2 thumbs up:
     
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    I dont like to say this, but anybody else notice how most of those shouting hardest agin Mr Trump, both during the campaign, and now, seem to come from a certain ethnic group ?

    If this Stein malarkey continues, its not too hard to see the Un American Activities gig getting going again ?
     
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    Now, now, shootist, you are sounding like a ......... gawd, I can't even bring myself to saying it !!! LOL
     
  18. platinumdude

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    I think they should use that money to help pay for the wall.
     
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    Excellent idea, bravo!
     
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    Who provided the $2.2 M-FRNs? Trump supporters?

    Qui bono? Certainly Jill Stein has nothing to gain from a recount, but HRC might.

    Just more pre-Electoral College malarky to keep the protesters fired-up.
     
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    Why not do a recount here in Illinois while we are at it. One Illinois Coroner candidate stated quite often he had buried many of the people on the voting rolls in his area. Certainly we should recount the Hillary Democrat states as well.
     
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    Jill Stein says she'll file for recounts in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin as she racks up $4.5m from donors, but says she needs $2.5m MORE to push for Michigan and pay legal fees - and can't promise states will approve filings
    • President-elect Donald Trump secured the White House when he amassed 290 electoral votes with wins in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin
    • Green Party candidate Jill Stein wants a recount of the two states, plus Michigan, after computer experts said hacks could have occurred
    • She raised $4.5million in two days online and claims the money will be used to pay for the recounts - but says she needs a total of $7million
    • Initially she had set $2million as her goal, saying that filing fees would come to around $2.2million for the three states
    • But that figure doesn't include legal fees or money to pay for recount observers, she wrote on her website
    • Stein has confirmed that Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are both going to be filed - but she says she can only apply, not promise a recount
    • If all three states are found to have actually voted for Hillary Clinton - an unlikely outcome - the presidency would then move to the Democrat


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3970234/Jill-Stein-crowdfunds-4-5million-recount-votes-Michigan-Pennsylvania-Wisconsin-says-needs-2-5million-more.html#ixzz4R0O6chd0
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    Amazing how prescient this forum is...

    Does anyone have a link to the BigJon accounting of how this will occur. I read it earlier, and can't find it...
     
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    Could be wrong but I seriously doubt there will be any recount. Just seems like nut bag nonsense to me.
     
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    The Klintons should save their $7m for legal fees...I think they'll need it in the coming months. This recount nonsense is just a political stunt to whoop the masses into a frenzy. These states are not close enough to be overturned by "hanging chads" or a few uncounted absentee ballots. The witch lost...and lost decisively.
     
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    I had heard that Pennsylvania was not even in the realm of closeness to be eligible for a recount. Any truth to that, or just Internet bravado??
     
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    All this throws her independent or 3rd party stance out the window.
    And really without universal voter id laws, why are we talking about voter fraud?
     
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    We need MO MONEY!!!! Sounds like a Democrat to be. This green party bullshit is simply a cover to dupe the 49% of Americans who are true idiots!
     
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    Last totals I saw Trump had a greater than 68k vote lead, which amounts to more than 1%. I'd call that not even close, but if they want to waste their time recounting...good on them.
     
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    THE New York magazine claims to have data BUT NO PROOF (?)

    The historic data could be: Each of the states in question have been DEMOCRAT strong holds in the past Presidential Elections.

    AND be as little as that.

    Like previously said MICHIGAN (?) Hell, they haven't called a winner yet.
    I LOVE to see the popular votes in those states actually voted TRUMP by landslides and take away HITLARY's "Popular Vote Win" away.
     
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    Watching the liberals try to hang onto the ledge by their fingernails is amusing. It going to be a long way to the pavement when they finally lose their grip. Fun times for sure these days.
     
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    Michigan results are as official as we're ever likely to see. Officially it's Trump by 10,704 in the closest race in MI history.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/23/donald-trump-wins-michigan-votes/94360852/

    Like I keep sprayin'...waste all the resources you want recounting, but the evil hag still lost. The libtards surely knew that Michiganders hated her treasonous guts when they went for Sanders in the primaries. Team blue has only themselves to blame for losing MI for the first time in 28 years.
     
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    Yep, but they'll cry about it and throw a temper tantrum just the same. lol

    What a buncha sore losers. They are the truly deplorable ones, as they are the ones showing utter disrespect for our nations election process. These are the same people who made a huge deal out of Trumps answer of "maybe" when asked whether he'd accept the results of the election.
    ...and now they are the ones not accepting it. Oh the irony of it all! It's as though the real fascists have finally stood up. (and are out it the streets rioting because that woman didn't win) I'm lovin' it! (not the rioting, but the fact they've exposed themselves for what they are)
     
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    Notice how Jill doesn't want recounts in the close states Hillary won. I'm sure Jill is just pulling a Burn and using this to pad her retirement account. Let them recount, they'll just count the overseas military absentee ballots and Trump will win by a larger margin.
     
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    Yes!
    Recent military polls were running 9 to 1 for Trump.
    And, they need to deduct the non-citizens and the dead, fraudulent votes.
     
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