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The Art of making colloidal silver.

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  1. abeland1

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    Date: Tue 26 Jan 2016
    Source: CDC [edited]
    <http://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/poona-09-15/index.html>


    Case Count Update
    ----
    Since the last update on 19 Nov 2015, 50 more ill people have been
    reported from 16 states. Illnesses that occurred after 21 Dec 2015
    might not be reported yet. A series of events occurs between the time
    a person is infected and the time public health officials can
    determine that the person is part of an outbreak. This means that
    there will be a delay between when a person gets sick and confirmation
    that he or she is part of an outbreak. This takes an average of 2 to 4
    weeks.

    As of 21 Jan 2016, 888 people infected with the outbreak strains of
    _Salmonella [enterica_ serotype] Poona have been reported from 39
    states. The number of ill people reported from each state is as
    follows: Alabama (1), Alaska (19), Arizona (134), Arkansas (13),
    California (241), Colorado (21), Connecticut (1), Florida (1), Hawaii
    (1), Idaho (26), Illinois (11), Indiana (5), Iowa (7), Kansas (2),
    Kentucky (1), Louisiana (5), Maryland (1), Minnesota (43), Missouri
    (15), Montana (16), Nebraska (8), Nevada (17), New Hampshire (1), New
    Mexico (35), New York (6), North Dakota (8), Ohio (3), Oklahoma (13),
    Oregon (23), Pennsylvania (2), South Carolina (10), South Dakota (3),
    Tennessee (1), Texas (52), Utah (62), Virginia (1), Washington (26),
    Wisconsin (46), and Wyoming (7).

    Among people for whom information is available, illnesses started on
    dates ranging from 3 Jul 2015 to 6 Jan 2016. Ill people range in age
    from less than 1 year to 99, with a median age of 18. 49 percent of
    ill people are children younger than 18 years. 56 percent of ill
    people are female. Among 686 people with available information, 191
    (28 percent) report being hospitalized. 6 deaths have been reported
    from Arizona (1), California (3), Oklahoma (1), and Texas (1).
    According to the California Department of Public Health, Salmonella
    infection was not considered to be a contributing factor in 2 of the 3
    deaths in California.

    Investigation Update
    ----
    Whole genome sequencing (WGS) of _S._ Poona isolates from ill people
    and from contaminated cucumbers distributed by Andrew & Williamson
    Fresh Produce showed that the strains are closely related genetically.
    These results also included isolates from people who became ill in
    October and November 2015.

    The number of reported illnesses has declined substantially since the
    peak of illnesses in August and September 2015; however, it has not
    returned to the number of reported illnesses that we would expect to
    see (about 1 every month during this time of year).

    106 illnesses started after 24 Sep 2015, when recalled cucumbers
    should have no longer been available in stores or restaurants. If any
    of the recalled cucumbers were still available, they would have
    spoiled by that time. State and local public health officials have
    interviewed 38 of these ill people. 24 (63 percent) of them reported
    eating cucumbers in the week before their illness started. Interviews
    have not identified any additional food items potentially linked with
    illness. The investigation into the source of these recent illnesses
    is ongoing.
     
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    The information above is the MAIN reason I wash or soak all my fresh vegetables, especially store-boughts , in fresh water and a shot of CS/EIS mixed in. I prefer to let them soak for 15-20 minutes before allowing to air dry from the wash/soak.
    I spray the insides and tops of my containers that will keep the vegetables w/ CS/EIS.
    When I make dressings for my coleslaw and my broccoli salads I spray three squirts of CS/EIS into the liquid mixtures and stir in before pouring into the vegetables and tossing.

    As I've stated elsewhere I also spray down my cooking and prepping surfaces with CS/EIS after cleaning and allow the CS/EIS spray to air dry on the surface, and cutting boards get sprayed just before use.

    Once I became a believer in CS/ EIS I began using it about everywhere from my bodywash/shampoo to a shot full in washing towels and clothes (in Europe fabrics are allowed to be silver-infused as odor reducing, and the Europeans pay big bucks for them).

    Hey, but that is just me.
    WAOOR
    DYODD
    Gb
     
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    Abe I started with one of your kits and soon found it wanting.Not being able to make something repeatable is not what I'm all about. I make batches that are identical every time. Here are the procedures that I follow and why.
    Quoted from cgcsfourm.com

    The Making of Colloidal Silver -- Part 1
    Background Information
    Jan 31, 2011 -- Updated Sep 23, 2012
    Copyright 2011, cgcsforum.com

    Introduction:
    Colloidal Silver has been made at home with very little equipment for decades. Colloidal silver is well known to be an effective antibacterial, antiviral, and antifungal substance. Silver is appearing in many commercial products, from personal hygiene to washing machines. The EPA has even tried to ban it for fear that it will destroy beneficial microorganisms in the environment.

    Unfortunately, homemade colloidal silver is often made incorrectly resulting in the final product being something other than colloidal silver. Usually that is silver oxide or silver chloride, both of which are ionic salts of silver and which seems to be the product that turns people blue.

    It is my intent to show a proven method of making true colloidal silver, and why you should not make ionic silver for internal use.

    What exactly is a colloid?
    A colloid consists of very small particles of something suspended in another medium. It is not a solution of dissolved material. Fog is a good example of a colloid; it is very fine drops of water suspended in air. Milk is a colloid of very fine particles of proteins and fats suspended in water. With a fine enough filter, the suspended material in a colloid can be filtered out. If the particles in a colloid lump together, the particles will get bigger to the point where they can no longer stay suspended, and they will fall out. If this happens to be fog or a cloud, it becomes rain. Colloidal silver is actually silver nano sized particles suspended in water, usually about 14 nanometers in diameter.

    In the case of true colloidal silver, the particles are kept apart by electrostatic repulsion. This is true regardless of whether the silver nanoparticles were made by electrochemical or chemical means.

    When a beam of light is projected through a colloid, the particles reflect light in all directions making the light beam visible. This is called the Tyndall effect, and I'm sure you have seen it while driving on a foggy night.

    Color of the Colloid:
    Another important attribute of a colloid is its color. Milk looks white because the particle sizes in the liquid are at least as large as the wavelengh of red light. The milk particles reflect all wavelengths of visible light, from 400 nano meters to 800 nano meter wavelengths. (A nanometer is a length of 1 billionth of a meter).

    When metal particles are much smaller than the wavelength of light, they no longer can reflect all wavelengths, so they are no longer white. At small particle sizes, each particle exhibits the Plasmon Resonance1, and absorbs specific wavelengths from the light striking it. This gives the colloid the appearance of the complementary color of the wavelength it absorbed. IE: If the blue light is removed by absorption, the particle will look yellow (green and red are not absorbed, so the resultant color is yellow). The important thing to know about the Plasmon Resonance is that color tells you the particle size of a metal nanoparticle!

    Tyndall Effect:
    Newcomers to making CS soon learn about the Tyndall Effect. It is the scattering of light by the particles suspended in solution, and typically it shows you have a colloid. Its what allows you to see a flashlight beam projecting in a fog. Its also not very important, and it doesn't require you to buy a laser pointer; a small flashlight will do. The Tyndall effect really shows turbidity6, which is something which should be minimized in the colloidal silver product. A strong Tyndall effect means there are more particles of larger size. Smaller particle sizes produce less Tyndall effect.

    Ionic Silver versus Metallic Silver:
    All elements are composed of protons, neutrons, and electrons. When an atom contains the same number of protons as electrons, it is in its elemental state. Silver normally has 47 electrons and 47 protons. Electrons are negative charge, and protons are positive charge, so in an atom of elemental silver, the net charge is zero because each electron is cancelled out by a proton. If an atom of silver were to lose one of its electrons, it would then have a positive charge, and that is called an ion. An ion is an atom which has either gained an electron (becoming negative) or lost an electron (becoming positive). Negative ions are called anions, and positive ions are call cations.

    When elements combine chemically, some atoms give up electrons to other atoms. This is what makes a chemical compound. For instance,a sodium metal atom gives up an electron to a chlorine atom to form table salt. When that happens, the sodium becomes ionic instead of metallic.

    Why is this important? Most people make silver oxide or silver chloride (ionic silver products) thinking they are making colloidal silver, and while ionic silver is an antibacterial, it is also 25 times more toxic to human cells than metallic silver2. It also seems to be the commonality among the people who have experienced disfiguring Argyria, the permanent blue discoloration of the skin.

    The most common method of making silver at home produces silver oxide. But silver oxide reacts strongly with hydrochloric stomach acid producing silver chloride, the silver salt most likely to cause Argyria. For the rest of this article, references to ionic silver means silver chloride unless otherwise noted.

    How Does Ionic Silver Cause Argyria?
    Most people know that film photography is based on silver. In particular, it is based on silver salts5, because silver salts are naturally photosensitive. Film is coated with silver salts, exposure to light provides enough energy to break apart the silver compound in the film producing silver metal. The remaining silver salts which were not exposed to light are then washed away in the development process leaving the dark opaque silver behind as a negative image. A similar process can occur in a person's skin.

    One important difference between metallic and ionic silver is that ionic silver chloride is partially soluble in water. This would seem to be the key as to why Argyria occurs, and why it is permanent. Silver chloride is soluble to .8 parts per million, but some other silver compounds like silver selenide and silver sulfide are not soluble at all.

    As a dissolved substance, ionic silver chloride can travel places in the body's tissues that larger metallic silver nanoparticles cannot because ions are the smallest possible pieces of matter. These silver ions are positive charged and are attracted to human cells which are negatively charged on their outside cell walls. Since positive and negative charges are attracted to each other, the silver ions bind to and enter into the cell wall, carried by metallothioneins. The silver ions then react chemically with sulfur or selenium ions present in the cell creating insoluble silver compounds. At that point, the silver is no longer ionic, and is no longer in solution. It is trapped inside the cell. As these particles accumulate, the cell darkens and result in Argyria. Most of the silver is trapped by a person's internal organ cells, so even though the skin looks normal, it is quite possible that Argyria is already occurring internally where it cannot be seen. Argyria occurs from the inside out!

    It is well documented that the worst discoloration of Argyria occurs in the parts of the skin that are most exposed to light: the face, arms and hands. This is because silver chloride trapped inside skin cells is photosensitive.... its what makes photographic film work. So sunlight can also transform a silver ion into a silver atom, which looks blue black in such tiny particles. Single atoms of metals tend to grow like a crystal as they colllect more silver atoms, and thus grow in size. This is another way ionic silver gets trapped in the skin by converting to metal through exposure to sunlight.

    Scanning electron micrographs of biopsies of Argyria victims confirm the presence of silver metal, silver selenide, and silver sulfide in the skin tissues.

    The progression from ingesting ionic silver to Argyria is then:

    Ingest ionic silver oxide
    Silver oxide converts to silver chloride in the presence of stomach acid
    Ionic silver is absorbed by tissues and bloodstream
    Ionic silver then binds to cell walls by electrostatic attraction
    Silver ions enter the cell and are taken up by the metallothioneins.
    Silver ions react with sulfur or selenium ions and are permanently trapped in the cell.
    Silver ions react to sunlight and are reduced to silver atoms.
    Silver crystals form as more silver ions repeat the process.


    Scientific Studies:

    There are many scientific studies of the properties of silver nanoparticles in the published literature. Almost all that the author has found are in-vitro3 studies exploring the effectiveness of silver preparations and how to produce them. The studies for the most part are done using silver products prepared chemically by the reduction of silver salts using a reducing agent. Few if any have been done using silver produced electrochemically. However it is safe to assume that colloidal silver made electrochemically is equivalent to that made chemically provided the particles' basic attributes of size and shape are the same. Because the vast majority of serious research is done in-vitro, there is little real data concerning real life dosing, and results. Most of the information about using colloidal silver internally is anecdotal. There is a published peer reviewed study showing that silver nanoparticles are more effective for bacteria and fungi than ionic silver.
    "Interestingly, AgNP's have been shown in a variety of cases to be more toxic to bacteria and fungi than free ions"7

    It will be left to the reader to seek out the published literature if so desired.

    Commercial Sources:
    There seems to be hundreds of manufacturers of colloidal silver, each touting their own special formula. Some of these sources make excellent product and some are very dubious. One thing is clear though: Colloidal silver is only cheap if you make it yourself.

    Even at $50 an ounce for silver, a 16 ounce bottle of 20ppm colloidal silver has less than 2 cents worth of silver in it. Quality colloidal silver can be made at home with a very modest investment. $100 worth of supplies will probably last a lifetime.

    Thoughts on dosing:
    As said previously, there is little to no scientific studies regarding dosing, or what happens in-vivo4 when colloidal silver is consumed. However, some of the in-vitro data may be useful. One of the important pieces of information is the concentration of silver required to kill bacteria. Two to six ppm seems to be the minimum for most bacteria in lab experiments. It seems safe to suppose that less than that would not be effective in the body. (One ppm is one milligram of silver in a liter of water.)

    It seems sensible to assume that disease agents travel around the body in the blood and lymph, the primary fluids which flow within all parts of the body. Considering then that the average person has 5 liters of blood, it would then seem that a dose large enough to kill bacteria in the blood stream would be at least 10 milligrams of silver. This would be the amount of silver in about one pint of 20 ppm colloidal silver.

    Calculating dose based on blood volume would be an ideal way to get a handle on dosing except that we do not know how much of the silver ingested actually is absorbed and enters the bloodstream, and if that silver entering the blood stream is still of a size that has therapeutic value. As soon as the colloidal silver enters the body, some will be absorbed through the mucosal lining of the mouth and esophagus, but the remainder is soon mixed with hydrochloric acid plus a host of other chemicals in the stomach. Acids and other electrolytes destroy the electrostatic repulsion between the silver particles and allow them to aggregate into larger particles which would make them useless. The actual amount of silver which enters the bloodstream would then be affected by anything which affects the chemistry of the stomach. So dosing is still a guess, but we do have a good idea about the minimum dose. As a personal choice, the author arbitrarily doubles the minimum amount and takes 1 liter of 20 ppm silver over the course of a day when needed. No antibiotics including silver should ever be taken without good cause.

    It is obvious then that taking a teaspoon a day as a food supplement is probably not going to do anything therapeutic, unless the placebo effect is considered therapeutic since the amount would be far below the concentration needed to kill bacteria or other microorganisms. Silver is not a food, and is not essential to life. Consuming small amounts of silver as a food supplement has no documented and proven health benefits.

    In the next part, we will talk about various ways to produce true colloidal silver.

    GOTO Part II
    1) Plasmon Resonance: Resonant oscillation of the surface electrons of metals at visible light frequencies. Resonant frequency depends both on size and shape of the particle and contributes to the observed color.

    2) Antibacterial activity and toxicity of silver nanosilver versus ionic silver, Libor Kvitek LINK to pdf file

    3) In-vitro: research done in a test tube environment -- literally, 'in glass' as opposed to within a living organism.

    4) In-vivo: Within a living organism

    5) Usually silver chloride, silver bromide, or silver iodide.

    6) Turbidity is the cloudiness or haziness of a fluid caused by individual particles (suspended solids) that are generally invisible to the naked eye,

    7) Advances in Applied Microbiology Vol. 77 By Allen I. Laskin, Geoffrey M. Gadd, Sima Sariaslani

    The Making of Colloidal Silver -- Part 2
    Production Techniques
    Jan 30, 2011 Updated Oct 29, 2015
    Our Goals:

    The goals for a colloidal silver production method for personal use should include:
    • High quality
    • Consistent concentration (ppm)
    • Short processing time
    • No toxic chemicals
    • Smallest possible particle size
    • Inexpensive equipment

    Common Method Used Today:

    Most of the home made colloidal silver made today is made by the electrolysis process where two silver wire electrodes are inserted into cold water and an electrical current is passed through the electrodes from a battery or other power supply. This is the method which is commonly known, and done with a couple of nine volt batteries and pieces of silver wire.

    If this simple process is done, it fails to meet any of our production goals. It does not even meet the goal of "no toxic chemicals" because the process itself creates the chemical silver oxide which as has been explained may cause Argyria. What it does create is an ionic solution of silver oxide and some colloidal silver oxide (very large particles of precipitated silver oxide).

    Worse yet is that most people think you should shine a laser beam through the water looking for the Tyndall effect. Good 20 ppm ionic silver will show no Tyndall effect, and if you get one, it means your silver is already overcooked and bad.

    Even worse is if salt is added to 'start the process faster'. Adding salt with this simple method cold only creates large amounts of silver chloride, which again is implicated in causing Argyria.

    A much better way:

    To make colloidal silver correctly, safely, and repeatably, here is the process.

    You will need:
    • .999 pure silver wire or a pure silver bullion coin. These are readily available.
    • Pure steam distilled or de-ionized water. Steam distilled is preferable.
    • Light corn syrup (Karo), or invert sugar.(reducing agent)
    • Sodium carbonate (washing soda)(electrolyte)
    • Constant current power source or computerized generator.
    • A fixture to hold your electrodes to approximately 1.5 inches/37mm apart.
    • Glass container, like a canning jar (Mason/Ball)
    • Inexpensive milliammeter

    The procedure:

    Mix up the corn syrup with an equal amount of distilled water. This will be the reducing agent which converts ionic silver to true colloidal silver. Make 1 or 2 ounces, as you will only need a few drops of this mixture per gallon of water.

    Mix up the sodium carbonate by dissolving 1 level tablespoon in 3 ounces of water.*

    Starting with 1 liter of water, add 20 drops of sodium carbonate solution. Sodium carbonate is what you get when you bake baking soda, so you have consumed a lot of this in your life, and it is not toxic. Mix well.

    Insert your electrodes into your fixture and then into the water. Turn on the power. Put as much of your positive electrode into the water as possible, and no more than 1/4 inch of the negative electrode to start.

    Using a milliammeter, measure the current through your electrodes and if the current does not reach the set point of the regulator, you can insert more of the negative electrode into the water to increase the current. If using silver wire for your electrodes, your current regulator should be set to no more than 6 ma. If using a 1 ounce bullion coin, it should be no more than 15 mA. These currents can be increased if you have a sufficiently strong stirrer. The distance between electrodes should be about 1.5 inches (37mm).

    Calculate the required time to make 20 ppm based on the formula that 1 milligram of silver will enter the water for each 15 milliAmp minutes of process time. 15 milliAmp-minutes could be 1 mA for 15 minutes, 2 mA for 7.5 minutes, 15 mA for 1 minute, etc.

    20 ppm is 20 milligrams of silver per liter. So for example, if you only wanted to make 250ml, you would only need 5 milligrams of silver, and 5 * 15 milliAmp-minutes of current.

    When the required time has elapsed, turn off the power, remove the electrodes, and add 2 drops of the corn syrup solution to the water and heat it to at least 140 degrees F. In a few minutes, it will change from crystal clear and colorless to crystal clear but yellow colored. This color change is the proof that the ionic silver has been converted to true colloidal silver.

    Time required for 1 liter of 20 ppm Colloidal silver at various constant currents:


    Current mA Time minutes
    5 60
    6 50
    10 30
    15 20


    For quarts instead of liters, decrease time by 5%

    You can calculate the required time for other amounts and currents from this formula:

    minutes = milliliters * ppm * 0.015 / milliAmps.

    This is the basic method. There are variations on this method, using hot water vs cold, different reducing agents etc, but this method always produces quality 20 ppm colloidal silver and is recommended as a starting point for beginners interesting in producing the best colloidal silver possible. Higher strengths are possible, but need some additional equipment and other food items.
    * Amount shown is for Arm and Hammer Super Washing Soda. If you have a milligram scale, the correct amount is 12.4 grams with enough water to make 100ml.
     
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    Reading that article was like listening to Louis Farrakhan espouse the virtues of the Nation of Islam: some truth mixed with enough falsehood or mis-direction to appeal to the ill informed.
    Problem with that article is these direction result in a SOLUTION. SOLUTIONS are not what OUR thread is about. SOLUTIONS can result in Argyria.
    OUR thread is concerning : .000 ppm distilled water, .999 Fine OR better (9999Fine) silver, and electricity ONLY .
    Using ONLY 000ppm Distilled Water, .999 Fine or better Silver, and electricity DOES NOT result in silver chloride. Silver oxide is wiped off electrodes by using nylon scrubbing pads or eliminated when filtered through unbleached coffee filters when decanted.

    ANY additional ingredients you wish to use: CORN SYRUP, Sodium Carbonate,... YOU my friend are "wildcatting" and YOU MUST ACCEPT YOUR consequences for your own actions.

    Just because you find a recipe to eliminate time issues, color constraints, and ppm consistencies does not mean it is without Argyria risks. (Your photos appear to show color identical bottles yet one marked "Internal" and the other marked "External" if you are so in to Argyria one would think a color variance would come in handy)

    PLEASE KEEP YOUR'S or OTHER'S RECIPES to yourself and not place them on this thread.
    FEEL FREE to Go Start Your Own thread. gb

    DYODD
    WAOOR (safe and reasonable)
     
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    To treat a pending issue (cold, flu, etc...) The recommended serving I found is 1 tsp per day up to 10 days..... I spray it in my throat, use it for pink eye, skin wounds, yeast and fungal issues, tooth issues, any oral issues.... such a great cure-all, the general public is in the dark on this. Lots of info online- for other Survival Health (Holistic stuff) visit www.herbsholistics.com Right now, the shop has the most eye opening info. I discovered Usnea on this site, and now its a tincture we sell.... Interesting stuff, that herbal medicine! Colloidal Silver is a fantasic multipurpose antimicrobial which everyone should have in their Survival Health Arsenal!
     
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    Everyone should be making silver in their homes! Of course, that may put much of the plans by the "powers that be" (on so many levels!) in quite a lurch. That's just colloidal silver! Imagine, no outbreaks, no need for vaccines.....BigPharmaBucks.... agenda 21.... food preservation.... pretty deep.
     
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    Looks like the VIDEO of this great INFOSHARE has been removed. :(
     
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    Goldbrix you say
    "We Are Our Own Researcher,
    Do Your Own Due Diligence,"

    Then you yelled to say to me
    "PLEASE KEEP YOUR'S or OTHER'S RECIPES to yourself and not place them on this thread.
    FEEL FREE to Go Start Your Own thread. gb"

    I thought this was about "the art of making colloidal silver" are only certain peoples opinions valid. How can we learn if someone is shutting down other ideas, did you try and understand the difference between ionic and metallic silver. Maybe I didn't include enough information from a forum that is "dedicated" to the art of colloidal silver and gold production. I don't know everything as a matter of fact I probably am not as intelligent as most of you here however I can read and comprehend the things I read. I spend a lot of time reading medical abstracts I guess that comes from working in medical research for the last thirty years in Bethesda.(I am not a scientist didn't stay at a holiday inn either just a guy trying to learn) Here is some information on electrolytes and reducing agents There are links to Studies done by scientists this tells the chemistry of CS
    The two samples I showed the internal is gelatin capped( a darker color gold particles are coated with gelatin so they appear larger ) so that the silver will survive the acids in the stomach and make it to the intestines where the enzymes that dissolve proteins work and the external is only glucose reduced so that it remains stable( and dosen't conclomerate . There is a color difference in them that my picture doesn't show very well. The color difference is directly related to the size and quantity of silver nano particles in the water read about particle size and light absorption. TDS meters, Argyria
    You also said...
    ANY additional ingredients you wish to use: CORN SYRUP, Sodium Carbonate,... YOU my friend are "wildcatting" and YOU MUST ACCEPT YOUR consequences for your own actions.

    This kinda goes against your professed.."We Are Our Own Researcher,Do Your Own
    I'm just putting this out there I did not mean to step on anyone's toes :reading:
     
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    GB you're right I just went back to the OP and started reading. I am out of line this was Abe's thread and I am posting things that are counter to his ideas. I meant no disrespect I have dealt with Abe somewhat recently and from a long time ago. I bought some lasers from him when he was on CPF back in the early 2000's. I even have his CSG 1 Colloidal Silver Generator
    [​IMG] Abe I apologize for stepping on your thread I just thought more information was better. I am always willing to look at different ideas. Actually I would like people to point out to me when I have the wrong idea. I will stay out of your thread.
     
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    chris..., If society were not so litigious I could have left the post unchallenged. But this thread is meant to help expose the general population to the usefulness of Colloidal / Electrically Isolated Silver, the minimal items needed to create it, and show newbies one does not need a degree in chemistry, pharmaceuticals, or medical sciences to make it .
    I have educated myself on this subject and I want to let those interested know that they can do this with little to no experience as long as they KISS ( Keep It Simple and Safe aka Keep It Simple Stupid) in the process.

    Tangents can lead the newbie in the wrong direction and they could end up a "Paul Karason" ( who I believe had some "upstairs" issues and enjoyed his notoriety with the blessings from Big Pharma). OBTW : Date September 24, 2013 " Paul Karason was 62 when he passed away Monday in a Washington hospital, where he was admitted last week after suffering a heart attack. He also had pneumonia and later suffered a severe stroke, his estranged wife, Jo Anna Karason, said Tuesday."... R.I.P. gb
    http://www.today.com/health/real-life-blue-man-dies-after-heart-attack-stroke-4B11243410
    Argyria was NOT the culprit or involved in his demise.- gb

    WAOOR (safe and simple)
    DYODD
     
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    "I purchased an Atlasnova Colloidal Silver Generator CSG1 - AC

    Note:
    I have a digital multi-meter
    I do not have a laser pointer

    Questions:
    Which one of your lasers is the best for testing colloidal silver mixtures?
    How do you use the multi-meter for testing
    any other resources for how to use the above items?"

    Thanks,
    Mark

    It is not necessary to use a multimeter with the csg1. The multimeters are used in our larger kits to keep track of the actual current in microamps flowing between the electrodes. In the csg1, this function is served by a special 1 mA maximum light emitting diode. This LED is over 10 times as sensitive as a normal LED. This enables it to give a good indication of the purity of the distilled water. When you place the csg1 into the glass of distilled water the LED should be only very dimly lit. If it has any noticeable brightness at all it is indicating the water is not good enough. As the process continues the LED will become brighter and brighter indicating the increasing presence of ions in the water increasing the conductivity.


    As to the usefulness of laser pointers in making colloidal silver,
    we use the 650nm model for checking the amount and size of silver particles generated. This is the same wavelength that is used by the Malvern particle size analyzer that cost over $50,000. The Atlasnova laser pointers are made with the special circuit that makes sure that the output power of the laser diode stays exactly the same no matter what the condition of the battery. This is important in any thing that you use as a test instrument.

    With the csg1 colloidal silver generator, after the light emitting diode has increased its brightness over a period of time, 2 to 3 hours, you should start shining the laser pointer through the glass container. In a room with only dim light a thin red line will start to appear as actual particles of silver are being formed in addition to silver ions. Some people still believe that actual silver particles, not just ions, are necessary for colloidal silver to be effective. Observing the red line formed by the scattering effect of the laser beam by the particles is observed. Some people mistakenly insist on calling this the Tyndall effect that can be observed using a bright focused white light. It is not the same thing. The scattering effect with coherent laser light results in our ability to observe much smaller particles than the Tyndall effect. Our process is to observe the fact that we have produced particles and to stop the process before the particles have grown beyond a certain size. Many people still allow the process to continue until the water has a yellow hue. This occurs when the average particle size is 150nm and more. Continuous ingestion of colloidal silver with particles of this size in large quantities could result in Argyria. It is worth considering the fact that all legitimate published research has indicated that the effectiveness of colloidal silver is caused by silver ions, the smallest possible particle of silver and charged.

    "Any other resources for how to use the above items?"

    Good advice is hard to come by. Most of it will come from people who are trying to sell you something. You must consider that fact. Many of these advice givers have actually started their own so-called "Forums" to promote their ideas and therefore their sales. As they control these forums they will receive no criticism. It is not unusual to see them actually publishing "reviews" of competitors products. There is only one place I know of where you can get some advice on this and that is the "goldismoney2" forum. There is an alternative health section where you can get lots of advice, good and bad. It will, as always, be up to you to separate the wheat from the chaff. Good luck.
     
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    Well, Who sez you can't teach an Ol' Dog new tricks. This Ol' Dog tries to learn something "new" each day no matter if it is minute or elaborate.
    Thanks A... I just learned two things reading your post:

    1). "... the red line formed by the scattering effect of the laser beam by the particles is observed. Some people mistakenly insist on calling this the Tyndall effect that can be observed using a bright focused white light. It is not the same thing."...
    I have always been under the impression the red laser protocol was one form of the Tyndall Effect gb

    2). "... The Atlasnova laser pointers are made with the special circuit that makes sure that the output power of the laser diode stays exactly the same no matter what the condition of the battery.
    Very Interesting piece of information. Especially when you read about DIYers using cat toy lasers and such. gb

    ALSO
    "...This is the same wavelength that is used by the Malvern particle size analyzer that cost over $50,000."...
    Members, I can verify and support this statement. Years ago while searching to find a independent source for verification purposes of my CS/EIS I contacted Malvern. I was informed their equipment was meant for high level production companies and their costs they felt were prohibitively high for an individual to pursue.

    And I Agree w/ " ...There is only one place I know of where you can get some advice on this and that is the "goldismoney2" forum. There is an alternative health section where you can get lots of advice, good and bad. It will, as always, be up to you to separate the wheat from the chaff".

    As always,
    WAOOR,
    DYODD,
    Gb
     
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    A follow-up question just came in from Mark.

    "Thank you for your detailed response regarding the laser.

    Regarding the mulitimeter. It is part of your "Colloidal silver starter kit". How do u use it to process and/or measure colloidal silver?

    thanks,
    Mark"

    Atlasnova's colloidal silver starter kit was our very first offering. We had been only selling the 9999 silver wire up to that point. Many customers for the silver wire would ask our advice on how to make colloidal silver. This was almost 20 years ago and the widely accepted method at the time was adding salt and letting the current run wild, just letting things go until it turned yellow with a lot of gunk. Using a resister to limit the current and the laser to find out when to stop the process was the answer. The multimeter is included in the kit mainly for the purpose of checking that the batteries, the resistor and the two electrodes separated in the water were in fact connected in series. When the multimeter is placed across the series resistor it reads the voltage being dropped by the resistor. This represents the voltage of the 4 9V batteries (36 V) minus the voltage between the two silver wire electrodes. If the distilled water is of high quality the voltage across the resistor will be quite low as the current will be at a minimum. As more and more silver ions enter the distilled water the water will become more conductive. This increases the current in the circuit, causing the voltage across the resistor to increase gradually. At a certain point in time the increase in voltage across the resistor will slow, indicating that the ion production is slowing and the larger particles are being formed. This will be confirmed with the use of the laser pointer. The multimeter will not measure the PPM of your resulting colloidal silver. To have an indication of this you will need to purchase a TDs or EC meter. They are available on eBay for under $10.
    Have a look at the instructions for using the starter kit.

    https://www.atlasnova.com/csk610.pdf
     
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    I was cleaning up my workshop the other day and I found a piece of my history of exploring "the art of making colloidal silver". It is five 1988 Canadian silver Mapleleaf coins. I got these as soon as they came out in order to have a source of silver that I could be sure of. The 12gauge silver wire that I had them linked with is 999 from a reputable company, but with no knowledge of what the impurities actually are. I continued to be frustrated in my experiments to control particle size while attaining high levels of ionic content. As you can see from the picture, the silver oxide buildup on the Maple leaf coins was very heavy and required continuous wire brushing to clean it off. The initial corrosion was caused by the fact of the numerous fine indentations on the coins themselves. These indentations formed walls spaced so closely together that ions were not allowed to fully escape the Maple leaves without combining and forming particles of silver oxide which would then attach themselves to the surface. When I would grind the silver oxide off with a wire wheel the scratches formed and the same phenomenon would repeat itself.
    This difficulty is caused by what is called the "Nernst diffusion area". It describes the limits for how many ions can escape from a given surface area, even a completely smooth area. Having indentations such as those on the coins means that walls are formed with the distance between them all the less than the diffusion area.
    So for those of you who are using Canadian silver Mapleleaf coins I can assure you that I agree with your reasoning completely. When it comes to what I'm going to put into my body, I'm not a "trusting" person. If I did not have a source of silver wire that I was absolutely certain of, I would still be using Maple leafs myself.
     
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    It is two years since I started this thread. It has been an effort to rationalize the wildly varying information about making colloidal silver. The earliest experimenters used silver coins and 3 9 V batteries. This method, though wonderfully simple, has some problems that we have detailed here. The worst thing about it was that many people, in an effort to speed up the process, instructed people to add salt to the distilled water. This was the method favored by the "blue man".
    I was fortunate as a little kid to have an uncle willing to spend time explaining things to me that I was curious about. Uncle Bill was a science writer working for the national Institute of health and his job was to take the work of scientists and explain it so that it was intelligible to the nonscientist. A little over 15 years ago when I retired as an electronics design engineer I went to visit uncle Bill in Florida. He was in his 80s but still in good shape and sharp as a tack. I had come across colloidal silver in an effort to fix my sinus problems and had become a believer. Not trusting anyone to make it for me, I had, as a hobby, spent a lot of time researching and experimenting ways to make a potent and stable product. I had designed and arranged to have made a line of laser pointers of high quality. I used to do a lot of lecturing and I was annoyed that I could not find a reliable, high quality laser pointer. I had already begun selling these on eBay with some success. I had almost accidentally found that my laser pointers could be a valuable aid in the manufacturing process of colloidal silver.
    When I met with uncle Bill he asked me what I was up to and what my plans were in my so-called "retirement". I told him about the laser pointers and gave him a couple of them and then told him about my experience with colloidal silver and that I intended to set up a small factory and start manufacturing, bottling and selling it. His reply was "Arnold, I never thought of you as a "snake oil salesman".
    I was quite taken aback. This comment was from a man who, throughout my life, had done nothing but encourage me in everything I had attempted. He would never say anything to me in a mean way. He said what he said with the best of intentions. It was time to think things through. I had spent my entire working life, from my teens to the time of my retirement, in the field of electronics. First as a technician, then as a field engineer then as a design engineer and finally doing original design work in complex systems. Upon reflection, I never had to sell anything. The Air Force simply told me what they wanted me to do. When I was with NASA it was obvious what we needed to do and we just did it. As a consultant to large corporations it was just a matter of the phone ringing and someone asking for help and organizing my schedule. No one questioned my work or my expertise.
    So now I'm going to go out and sell something? Colloidal silver? It helped me a great deal with my sinuses. It quickly healed any infection or burn. Made properly it could do no harm. Yes, I knew this and I knew that it was true for me. Was I prepared to tell other people that it will cure something that they believe ails them? No, of course not. The fact that colloidal silver did this or that for me should be interesting to another person with the same complaint but that's all. What are the other people selling colloidal silver telling people?. That's the problem. I would inevitably be tarred with the same brush. Am I willing to take this? Is my skin thick enough? Do I feel an irresistible urge to save the world by sprinkling colloidal silver over it? Do I need the money? The answer was no. I decided to simply go ahead and have the 9999+ wire made. Since I had to buy 2000 ounces to do the deal I started offering it to people like myself who worried about purity. My offerings of very simple generator kits came about as the result of so many customers of the silver wire asking for advice on how to use it.
    I believe we have covered everything that the do-it-yourselfer will find useful in setting up to make his or her own colloidal silver. There are areas of refinement that will result in a more powerful and stable product but these methods are not really practical for someone who wishes to just put to use a voltage source, a current limiting device (resistor) and pure silver in pure water. An example of this would be the act of reversing the polarity of the electrodes periodically. This not only evens out the wear but eliminates the hard to remove build up of silver oxide on the anode. This preserves a smooth finish on the electrodes and reduces the wastage. The electrodes also become very easy to clean, requiring only a quick wipe with a paper towel instead of a plastic scrub pad. The problem with this is that there must be a period of time between switching the electrodes to allow the ions to disperse from whichever electrode is being used as an anode at that time. If this is not done, the ions at the electrode that have become the cathode will be snapped back and form large particles. The amount of time involved in this will vary according to the level of ions present, which depends on the length of time the process has been going. This is just not practical to do in a manual manner. I incorporated a double pole double throw switch in my larger generators to accomplish this but it's really too much to ask of people to use it. As a result, most users simply flip the switch all the way over from one batch to another, which at least evens out the wear factor.
    Anything further in my efforts to improve the process would involve the development of an "expert system" incorporated in an automatic colloidal silver generator. The so-called "automatic" generators on the market simply cut off with a timer or a certain voltage level at the electrodes. I doubt that the ones that do switch polarity allow for a time for the dispersal of the ions from the anode. There are now many people offering "automatic" Colloidal Silver Generators. The vast majority of these simply have a kitchen timer or a very simple voltage comparator to cut off the process at a certain time. Something I find amusing is their habit of creating their own "forums" in which their own products are favorably reviewed and the products of others canned. Why don't they come here and tell us how their electrons have more energy and their ions can jump higher and their particles are smaller than anyone else's?
     
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    I always argue the Mega-farming has leached most of if not all the trace minerals out of the soil and hence the crops.
    CS/EIS is just one part of getting back minerals in the body that it needs and the Mega-farming does not provide.

    I've started threads on several different message boards to expose people to CS/EIS and it's potential.
    This site is the longest running site with the most interaction amongst members veterans and newbies alike.
     
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    A question came in:
    "Hello,
    I have one of your plug in cs generators. Just wondering if the light is not bright after 4 hours, should I keep it on longer? Or is it done?
    Does it still work if I plug it in for an hour or so or no?
    Im usong distilled water
    thank you
    Alicia"

    I replied:
    First we have to decide what strength of colloidal silver we want. The strength mentioned in the clinical trials that I know of is 10 PPM (parts per million) of ionic colloidal silver. The ionic portion of colloidal silver, single silver atoms lacking one electron and possessing a positive electrical charge, is proven to be the more effective component of colloidal silver. In the case of the colloidal silver generators we produce the ionic portion consists of at least 80%. When measured with a TDS (total dissolved solids) meter this will result in a reading of six added to the initial reading of the distilled water. Using an EC (electrical conductivity), the reading will be 10 added to the initial reading of the distilled water.
    The ATLASNOVA colloidal silver generators have been designed in such a way as to ensure this level of strength will be achieved. The little LED on the CSG 1 and the meter readings on the larger generators are mainly to check the quality of the distilled water before starting the process. The length of time that will be required to generate a given strength will depend on the quality of the distilled water and the quantity of water involved. The higher the quality of distilled water used the longer the process will take. This is because the starting current will be lower. Using the purest distilled water will result in the best product with a higher percentage of ions and greater stability. But it will take longer. There are some people who object to this, some even adding salt to speed things up.
    The most reliable method of determining when to stop the colloidal silver making process that I have found involves the use of a laser pointer, preferably the one supplied with the ATLASNOVA kits. It has a wavelength of 650 nm and a fixed output level which does not vary with the condition of the batteries. It is the same laser that is used in the Malvern particle size analyzers costing over $40,000. If the laser is shown through the water used in dim room light, it will start showing a red line in the water at the point in the process where the non-charged particles are approaching a size of 40 to 50 nm and are only 20% of the silver content of the water. At this point the ionic content will be in excess of 10 PPM, even using less than ideal distilled water.
    In the past few years the prices of TDS and EC meter's have dropped drastically. They are now available on eBay for less then $10. They could represent a good investment for you.
     
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    In a previous post I mentioned the advantage of polarity switching during the generation of colloidal silver. Polarity switching eliminates excessive erosion of the electrodes and the tendency of particles to float to the top and eventually short out the electrodes. By not allowing excessive buildup on either of the electrodes, it also makes the electrodes very easy to clean, just a quick wipe with a paper towel. The problem is if one switches quickly the cloud of ions that had been leaving the anode are snatched back in such a way to the new cathode that large particles are formed. There must be a certain amount of time where both electrodes are completely isolated so as to allow the ions to disperse. The period of time required will be determined by both the PPM and the current. This will vary throughout the process and has to be calculated before each switch of polarity. This is way too burdensome a task to be done manually. I programmed a microcontroller to keep track of these parameters and calculate both when to switch polarity and how long to allow for dispersion. Using this controller with one of my one and a half pint setups resulted in the picture that you see. 38 ppm ionic and this is after three days in the open container. It came down from a reading of 39. Note that the solution is still crystal clear, no yellow. This is far better than anything I've been able to do manually.
     
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    Over 13,000 individuals have now viewed this thread. It is fair to say that these people are convinced that silver ions are useful to them. We know that they work. We don't know how they work. Researchers in the physical sciences are making steady progress which will one day reveal why a single positively charged atom of silver has such a beneficial effect. It is noteworthy that this research is being done only outside of the United States. Here are two links detailing these efforts in Switzerland.
    Trying to find out how the ions move around in our bodies.
    http://www.rdmag.com/news/2016/03/revealing-ion-transport-nanoscale
    The second link is helping me try to understand why I am able to achieve higher ion content without building up large particles.
    http://www.rdmag.com/news/2016/04/single-ion-impacts-million-water-molecules
    Better instrumentation is coming online every day allowing us to observe the actions of silver ions and microbes.
     
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    Studies into size and shape Color shows size and shape. these studies done in Pakistan, as you said they are not done in the states.

    Chris
     
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    I have found an item that is very useful in protecting us from foodborne bacteria. I had been soaking any foods meant to be eaten raw in colloidal silver. The fact that this used a great deal of colloidal silver didn't matter to me as with all my experimenting I have a lot of colloidal silver around. This little item seems to do just as good a job while using a lot less CS. It is made of plastic, which is good as I have found that high strength ionic silver in contact with any metal is a bad idea. I've used it daily for almost 6 months and it has held up very well. Here's the URL to the seller.
    http://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...3427?cm_mmc=Housefile-_-SHIPPED-_-1206-_-CONF
     

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    http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/05/26/colistin-r-9/

    Here is a report from the National Geographic Society on the long dreaded superbug. The superbug is part of the E. coli family of bacteria. Silver Ions have been proven to be effective against all forms of E. coli.
    Given the fact that the universal use of antibiotics to encourage growth in livestock provides an almost infinite number of chances for E. coli to mutate, I consider the chance of a form of E. coli to evolve to a true airborne plague as being an inevitability. Learn how to make ionic colloidal silver now.
     
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    Sorry abe..., I just started another thread specifically on this subject. (Super Strain ...)
    As you said " Learn how to make ionic colloidal silver now".

    Especially since .gov wants to throw-up their hands and do their best Chicken Little impression. Instead of yelling "The sky is falling" .gov sez "What to Do, What to Do"?

    CS/EIS in tandem with antibiotics can either be the cure or at the least buy more time. ( I say It IS a CURE)
    DYODD
    WAOOR
     
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    LOL, I must've been composing this post when you were posting yours. Certainly there is no harm done as it is impossible to overestimate the importance of this subject. It is not a matter of whether or not a superbug "can" happen, it will happen. Here's a book I read some five years ago that had a big influence on me in my decision to do what I could to advance the use of silver as an antibiotic. I have no doubt that we have picked a fight with the wrong species and we will pay dearly for it.

    http://smile.amazon.com/Microcosm-C...e=UTF8&qid=1464911851&sr=1-1&keywords=E.+coli
     
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    This thread has now registered over 14,000 individual views. As a younger person I placed a high value on having easy access to a large library. When I became interested in something I wanted to be able to dive deeply into the subject, to the limits of my ability. Now we have the Internet which can be compared to a vast library. There is one great difference that we must constantly be aware of and that is the fact that the library of old consisted of books that had been published and printed. In order to be published and printed they would have had to have been vetted by at least the publishers. This is not the case of what you find on the Internet. There is a great deal of information that consists of thinly concealed infomercials, gibberish and downright dangerous instructions on how to make colloidal silver. I have just spent an hour watching some YouTube videos of a guy showing people how he makes colloidal silver with a modified microwave oven. He makes these and encourages people to make their own. He neglects to tell people to keep one hand in their pocket and stand on a rubber mat. If people without experience in dealing with high-voltage do what he says a significant percentage of them will be killed. It is inevitable. People make mistakes. It is as though we are programmed to periodically make dumb mistakes. It is not a matter of intelligence. It's just a fact. If we make a mistake around high-voltage, we die. I speak as a former safety officer at tracking stations around the world during the space race. We took every conceivable precaution we could and still had incidents. So telling a person with little experience to take apart a microwave oven and rewire it to use high-voltage AC to make colloidal silver, to me, borders on depraved indifference.

    After all this he admits that his method tops out at 10 PPM and varies in quality with the phase of the moon, enough said.
     
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    I need to issue a warning to my fellow experimenters. The company that services septic tanks "Roto-Rooter" has just finished pumping out our septic tank system. Even though there is only my wife and I, we have a large home. The septic system is also a big one which would ordinarily service a large family. There's no reason why the system should ever have to be pumped out. The guys were here for two hours and the cost was 500 bucks. When your septic tank is overflowing you don't really feel like calling around for quotes. The guy said that it was quite unusual to find a complete absence of bacteria.
    So why did this happen? The fresh fruits this spring were cheap and abundant in our area and we took advantage of this. We went through a lot of strawberries, cherries and so forth. We would soak these items in colloidal silver and let them dry off and keep them in the fridge in fresh condition. We also experimented with letting them completely dry out and found that it was an excellent way to preserve them. We let the used colloidal silver go down the drain which probably caused the wipeout of the septic system.
    A much better method is to use the sprayer that we mentioned in post number #141. The spray will coat the items. I guess if you were doing a large quantity you might want to soak the items and let them drip dry. In any case, dispose of used colloidal silver by pouring it on a gravel area where you don't want anything to grow. You will find many people selling colloidal silver who will claim that is only kills "bad" bacteria, not "good" bacteria. Wishful thinking from salesmen. I just spent $500 proving them wrong.
    This is another reason that we need to strive to produce a high ionic value in making our colloidal silver. Single ions will be absorbed sublingually before they ever get to the stomach. If you have a problem with food poisoning, then go ahead and drank a bunch of stuff. It would be a good idea to have a probiotic after you've cleared up your stomach problem. But if you're taking it for sinus problems or to heal a cut or burn you want the ions, not big chunks of silver hanging around for no good reason..
     
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    I have been doing a lot of catching up after a absence of 5 years. It's good to see this subject still warrants posting with new refinements.

    I believe that I have the original thread from GIM1 zipped up somewhere. I'l go searching for it in another day or so. If I find it I'll offer it to anyone via email.
     
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    As I promised above. This was made as the door was closing at GIM1 on 3-31-2010.


    I have a few others zipped.

    Alternate Health.
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    Can you post an updated link on how to purchase a kit and make your own CS? I would rather not buy a unit from an unknown on ebay or a couple of bottles of stuff.
     
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    Well, I'll be Darn, I myself was one of those who believed there were bacteria that were not affected by CS/EIS.
    abe..., Have you come up with an alternative disposal process ? I guess washing clothes and linens with a shot of CS/EIS is out of the question now.
    Fortunately for me I'm on "city water and sewage" and wont have this problem.


    Well in case you've missed it in other posts. OUR OWN abeland1, manufactures and SELLS just about every size of CS/EIS generator you may be interested in from a drinking glass size to a gallon(maybe more). PLUS his gear comes with easy to follow instructions filled with plenty of photographs, a high quality laser pointer for checking the Tyndall Effect, and all reasonably priced. ( I still get my FIVE NINES Fine silver from Atlas Nova when I need it, which has only been once in all these years ).
    I myself use his CSG-1 gear way before I became a member to the old Gold is Money 2 messageboard, and running into him here .


    Check out : atlasnova.com
     
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    GOLDBRIX said;

    Well, I'll be Darn, I myself was one of those who believed there were bacteria that were not affected by CS/EIS.
    abe..., Have you come up with an alternative disposal process ? I guess washing clothes and linens with a shot of CS/EIS is out of the question now.
    Fortunately for me I'm on "city water and sewage" and wont have this problem.


    I don't think you have to worry about adding a bit to the wash. My experience was an extreme case. I've been doing a great deal of experimenting into a method of attaining higher PPM concentrations of ionic silver. I have probably run 100 gallons using constantly improving algorithms to result in a higher concentration and greater stability of ionic silver. It does prove one thing though, enough of it will do the job. I have a gravel area in front of the garage that I will use for disposal of my experiments from now on. Post number 138 shows the results of one such run at 38 ppm, a new record at the time. I think I'll just consider my septic tank problem as unavoidable "collateral damage" for the greater cause.


     
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    FYI. When we moved into this house 20 years ago I re-routed the kitchen drain, and the washer to discharge outside on the lawn instead of the septic. That way my wife could have her dishwasher and garbage disposal without filling up the septic tank. It's been 20 years now and have never had to pump it out.

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    Many people are ordering our certified 99997 10gauge silver wire to replace the 12gauge wire that came with the silver generators they purchased from various suppliers. We are grateful that our message has gotten through as to the importance of the purity and the fact that they are ordering 10gauge instead of the 12gauge that was supplied with their generators means that the fact that the greater surface area and the fact that it will last twice as long has gotten through. This has brought about a problem. When people receive the 10gauge wire, they find that it will not fit into the terminal blocks of their generators. Here's a picture of the terminal blocks that we use on our CSG one generators.:
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    It is an industrial grade terminal block manufactured in Germany and will accept the 10gauge wire. It seems that the generators that most people have will accept wire no larger than 12gauge. This means that they end up sending back the 10gauge to us and we have to exchange it and refund the difference and so forth. If they have a generator that just uses alligator clips or something like that then there's no problem. If you are uncertain whether or not your terminal blocks will accept 10gauge, it might be a good idea to call whoever you bought your generator from and ask them about it or open up the terminal block as far as possible and try to see if you have 0.020 of "wiggle" room.
     
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    Well, Time to Make the DONUTS - to steal a line from an old Dunkin' Donuts commercial. But this is actually about making more CS/EIS.

    Outside of about a quart of Cleaning CS/EIS ( food contact surface areas), and about 14oz for consumption, CPAP, and internal uses I am O..U..T !
    Yesterday I made about a quart (+/-) that read 11 ppms w/ a TDS meter this morning before I bottled /decanted into smaller bottles.
    I've just started making another quart (+/-) and over the next day or two I'll fill 5 - 16+ oz. bottles, and one - quart and a half bottle for consumption purposes.
    My SILVER I use in washing clothes - Outside of using some CS/EIS I might just find an old oxidized, pre-'65 Dime or Quarter and leave it in the washer until the washings make it look clean. ( I've got an old Silver dollar in the utensil holder of the dishwasher)
    This should get me through the upcoming Winter and into next year.

    In the next few days I'll PROBABLY use five cents worth of silver. My distilled water is actually the biggest cost.

    "Pennies per Gallon instead of Tens of Dollars per Pint" ( This is for the Newbies ;-) )

    WAOOR,
    DYODD,
     
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    Is that the actual reading on the TDS, or is that after you multiplied x 1.7?
     
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    Actual Reading ( I knew I should have been more descriptive) :-)
     
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    So 11ppm x 1.7 gave you a actual of 18.7?

    The generator I use wasn't specifically designed for CS. So it has a rheostat that goes from 1 to 10. It's cool because you put the water in turn the dial to 10, then back down to one. If their is any contaminates the light will go off before reaching 1 meaning the water is no good. Also, it shuts off when the desired ppm is reached, so it is a set it and go to bed deal.

    I run it at 6 on the dial and come out with 16.5-18ppm (using the 1.7x factor) every batch for the last 10 years. I ran a 1 qt. batch years ago at the highest setting and it came out at 38 ppm factored. It was really clear when done, with quite a bit of residue black on the bottom.
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    The wife and I are fresh fruit people (we have many trees in our yard) but she likes to soak any store bought fruit in CS before putting it in the fridge. So I have to male a lot of 1/2 gal. batches for her, using a 1/2 gal. mason jar.

    Question about the CPAP use. Do you get any CS build up on the alum plate that is in contact with the heater?
     
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    Yep, Estimate of 18.7 ppm in that first batch.

    I have but I was using about 25ppm CS/EIS at the time. I did go with using just .000ppm (TDS tested) distilled water until I go thru a gallon of DS H2O. Any further residue I removed with cotton swabs (Q-tips).
    The benefit from running my CPAP w/ CS/EIS is I do not get bacterial build-up from the tank to the hose to the nasal mask. (Before I began using CS/EIS I would have to clean those pieces far more often due to the floral smell they'd develop from breeding bacteria)

    With the use of CS/EIS in my CPAP, I DO NOT have to buy hoses, and masks except when they actually wear out. ( Medical advises changing tubing and mask every six months and most Ins. will help out every six months)
    My cleanings last about a year + instead having to clean monthly.

    I'm still on the same tank/ reservoir that came with the system 6+ years. I changed hose once (6' is too short for me), and I went from a Full Face mask to a nasal about 4 years ago. No changes due to bacteria in my experience.

    WAOOR,
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    With the 158 replies and almost 15,000 views I think it's time to review the purpose and progress of this thread. It started with my posting of the three main factors that I have found to control the quality of colloidal silver that an individual can make himself using basic materials. I quote from the first post:
    "There are three factors that will determine the quality of the colloidal silver that you make. The first is the water that you use. It must be distilled to a high degree of purity. You will need some way to check that the water you are using is pure enough. The distilled water that is sold in grocery stores in 1 gallon containers will generally be good enough. You will still need some way to check it. This can be done with a conductivity meter or by some method included in the design and function of whatever generator we use."
    No one would challenge this statement. Some posters have suggested the use of a TDS or EC meter to check the quality of the distilled water before they start the process. This was a useful contribution to the thread and these meters have become available for under $10. They can be useful in checking the ionic concentration of your colloidal silver as well when you have finished the process. Some people have bought these who are still purchasing colloidal silver are using them to measure the PPM of their purchased product. Unfortunately, the TDS or EC meters do not measure silver specifically. The fact that they measure 10 or 20 or whatever PPM may or may not have anything to do with silver. They could be measuring salt or carbon dioxide or God knows what. So the fact remains that if you don't make it yourself you don't really know what you are getting. That is not to say that there are not ethical manufacturers of colloidal silver. But all a person has to do is Google colloidal silver and they will quickly realize that it is a area of snake oil salesman (who have always been with us) and a plethora of just plain fools.
    The second factor mentioned in the first post is as follows:
    "The second factor is the purity of the silver that we use. We want silver ions and preferably no other metals. We want to make a solution containing silver ions, as they are proven to be of great benefit. There are many other metals, however, that can do us great harm. We must take every precaution we can to avoid taking toxic metals into our bodies. This is why we use only 9999 silver wire and insist on a certificate of analysis showing the impurities that are present. In the case of the highest quality silver the largest impurity will be copper which is not bad in small amounts. This will be the case in silver that comes directly from silver ore that is refined directly. If you buy silver without an assay certificate it could contain scraps from manufacturing facilities that are alloying silver with any number of other metals. So it's not just a matter of it being 9999, but what is the nature of the other .01%. When you consider the fact that when we make colloidal silver the result is a liquid solution with silver in parts per million (PPM), it makes no sense to try to economize on this. If we consider making colloidal silver at a strength of 10 PPM for example, 1 ounce of silver wire could make theoretically 100,000 ounces or 1500 gallons of colloidal silver."
    I think this statement is gone over pretty well. The fact that many of us have used Canadian silver Mapleleaf 9999 coins to start with in our experiments reinforce this point. The lack of a smooth surface creates problems in the Nernst diffusion area when using these as is described in post number 134. The fact is, if you don't get a certificate of analysis from a reputable, suable, company detailing exactly in parts per billion what impurities are present you don't know what you are using and therefore putting in your body.
    The third factor mentioned in the first post:
    "The third factor is the amount of time that we allow the process. Hydrogen will appear at the cathode (the negatively charged electrode, where electrons enter the water), and oxygen will appear at the anode (the positively charged electrode). Back in the days of the 3 9 V battery and coins we would wait until we saw a cloud of what we were told were pieces of silver forming in the water and stopping the process soon after that. In reality, the cloud was form by hydrogen and oxygen micro bubbles and meant that the process was in a runaway mode. Disconnecting the batteries at that point would, if you were lucky, get you perhaps a five PPM colloidal silver solution. It would not keep its strength for very long as the larger particles would quickly collide with and absorb the silver ions. A few of us promoted the use of current limiting to prevent the runaway condition. Some of us noted that the higher resistance we used the better results we obtained in both higher PPM and stability. Many of us, including yours truly, tried every conceivable method of stirring to allow the use of a higher current in order to speed up the process. All of my efforts in this direction failed. I could not get around the fact that for a given surface area of silver anode only a certain amount of current was allowed. There is a region surrounding the anode called the Nernst diffusion area. To put it simply, it is a region that will only allow a certain density of ion's to exist before they agglomerate into larger particles. So for those of you with your own setups for making colloidal silver, try reducing the current and allowing more time and let us know the results."
    This describes my conclusions reached in my experiments in making colloidal silver for my own use and for friends when I started this thread over two years ago. Apart from the use of a laser pointer to detect the production of particles above a certain size, indicating a good point to stop the process, this is as much as I had to offer at the time. I have learned a lot from the responses to the thread and I plan to put that knowledge to good use. Thanks to everyone for their contributions. If you want to make your own colloidal silver and you have just come upon this thread and have gone to this posting to start, let me urge you to start at the very beginning and read through the whole thing. It will be worth your while.
     
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