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The Art of making colloidal silver.

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  1. abeland1

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    How many of you make your own colloidal silver? For those of you who make it, how do you use it? Just as most people, I started buying it at a health health store over 20 years in desperation over my repeated serious sinus infections. I was ready to try anything. I would have simply continued to buy it even at the price of $80 for a 16 ounce bottle except for the fact that the next time I ordered it I was sent something called mild silver protein. It felt and tasted like I was putting vinegar in my nose. I decided then to find out how to make it. The State-of-the-art for making colloidal silver was 3 9 V batteries and two pieces of silver. Hopefully pure silver. Salt was added to speed up the process. I understand electronics quite well and saw that the process was simply one of electrolysis and read up on Faraday's work. The the purpose is the production of active silver ions. I bought a electrical conductivity meter, a professional lab instrument from Amber scientific and started experimenting using Canadian silver Maple leafs to see how well I could make this stuff. It was easy to see when you were making particles that were larger than you wanted by the fact that the solution will turn yellow. The solution could block the blue part of the light spectrum coming through the solution leaving red and green, which is yellow. One day I accidentally shown my laser pointer that I used for lecturing through the container that I was using for making a batch of colloidal silver. Despite the fact that the solution was still clear I could see a strong red laser beam within the solution. This was a good thing because this way we could detect the presence of larger particles even before the solution turned yellow. This would mean we would reduce the current and take longer for the process for the given geometry of the silver and the container we were using. The objective has always been to obtain the highest electrical conductivity reading in microsiemens, relating 1 to 1 to the ionic silver PPM. Post number 134 shows that the silver Maple leafs and the reason I decided that I had to use pure silver wire. The corrosive surface of the Maple leafs limited me to about 10 ppm before the particles became too large. The crevices on the corroded parts of the silver Maple leafs did not allow enough room for the ions to escape the Nernst diffusion area. They would collide and form particles. Silver wire it was. After considerable research and expense I found a refinery that was willing to supply 10 and 12 gauge silver wire of greater than 9999 purity. I took a chance that other people would be interested in this as well and had 2000 ounces made, the minimum quantity that they were willing to set up for. I started offering it as simple kits to people who wanted to make colloidal silver. I started a thread on the goldismoney 1 forum which Blazer has so kindly resurrected and it received a good reception.
     
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    I went to an estate sale recently and bought a colloidal silver kit including a generator, timer and silver wires from "The Silver Edge" with instructions. Looks like it was very lightly used if at all. It was a steal at $5.00. I sell things on ebay and this would make a good profit but I'm not sure I want to sell it. Seems it might benefit us one day. I guess I'll be making a batch soon and joining the ranks of colloidal silver users. Thanks for the tip on the laser pointer as I was wondering how to check the batch. How much can be made from the silver wires?
     
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    Yes, YOU got a steal. You got a great deal at ten times the price you paid.
    Tj, Read up on the various threads & posts here in the Alt.Medicine/CS section and go to thesilveredge.com website for testimonials and more CS articles.
    I'm pretty sure that Steve Barwick even lurks around here as some of his writings have testimonials or discriptions very similar to writings here. ( I am not referring to the articles I post excerpts from and give his web address for further reading for those interested).

    The uses of CS/EIS for health, sanitation, and preservation purposes have not been surpassed by anything else made by mankind.

    Keep it and learn how to use the equipment ( probably fairly easy by just reading through posts here) and DIY.
    On the retail market you would pay DOLLARS per OUNCE where DIYers make GALLONS for PENNIES.
     
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    Goldbrix writes:
    "Yes, YOU got a steal. You got a great deal at ten times the price you paid."
    10 times would be $50. Yes a colloidal silver generator should be a good deal at $50. The silver edge generators sells for $349.95. Oh but, " a hundred dollars off if you order right away!" I went to the website for the generator and the seller claims "it is the number one most popular colloidal silver generator on the market". Really? I wouldn't know how to prove or disprove that statement and I'm not sure it really matters whether it is true or not, the average person being average. You need to buy one of these. .
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/3in1-Digita...091666?hash=item2ca7e0d8d2:g:a90AAOSwnLdWrKbW
    .They are even a couple dollars cheaper if you want to wait for it from China but for $10 this guy ships for free in the US
    With this device you will be able to measure the ionic content of what you're making. It is an essential piece of equipment and now costs only $10. When I bought my laboratory quality meter for measuring EC it cost me 1500. If you do this and report the results it will be a great help to all who are following this thread. This device uses the bubbler method which was popularized by a alternative health Internet con man claiming to be a retired oncologist who I understand was finally caught up with and jailed for some vitamin scams. I have always been against this method based upon my own theoretical understanding of the process. I've been tempted to make a set up and take pictures and measurements and so on to prove that it will fall far short of producing the most effective colloidal silver solution. It's much better if I can talk someone else into doing this. A disinterested third-party. Well, maybe not disinterested but at least you cannot be accused of having an agenda. After all Trader Joe, all you did was attend an estate sale. I had that habit myself for quite a while. Fairly harmless as habits go.
     
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    Personally I am not FOR a Bubbler System in CS/EIS generation.
    Even with a sophisticated HIPA quality filter you are pumping room air into your productions. HIPA filters Do Not filter to 100% clean air. They are more like how our unbleached coffee filters act - it eliminates big particles but minute particles can pass through.
    My thinking, you are constantly pumping in minute dust particles into your product just to cause circulation.

    There is a British guy on "u.tube" that microwaves his distilled water before and periodically during CS/EIS production. This causes convection.

    If constant circulation is something you are interested in I would go with a magnetic stirrer used in laboratories. Most of these plates also heat so you not only get mixing you can also get convection.. Or go with a Pyrex stirring wand.

    Personally, I have kabob skewers that I have soaked repeatedly in 20-30 ppm CS/EIS and let thoroughly dry. I use one when I feel the need to stir a production.

    Just some suggestions.

    DYODD,
    WAOOR,
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    The CSG1 generator that you have does not have automatic polarity reversal. That is why you need to stir it once in a while. If you don't switch the polarity or stir it, discharged silver particles will collect on the cathode. Some of these will break off and be carried upward by the hydrogen bubbles to the surface. If enough of these collect at the surface they can even short out the two electrodes, effectively stopping the process. No harm will be done to the CSG1 because the current is limited by both the resistor and the LED lamp. I designed the device with the LED and gave instructions for users to give the whole assembly a nudge when the LED reaches a certain brightness. All they have to do is nudge the thing and when doing so observe the fact that the LED decreases in brightness because the current will be reduced. The electrodes leaving the established channel of ions will indicate that the ions are still concentrated in the ion channel between the electrodes, therefore maximum ionic content had not yet been achieved. An occasional stir with a kabob skewer is a much better method than a constant stirring causing a chaotic condition in the Nernst diffusion area, resulting in the collision and agglomeration of silver ions. In the case of a bubbler system the current between the electrodes will be completely interrupted, open circuited, while there is a bubble of air between the electrodes.
    The answer is a sophisticated method of periodically reversing the polarity. This would have to be under the control of a microprocessor and take into consideration a number of factors. I am working on this.
     
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    I noticed that this design uses strips of 28gauge silver sheet for electrodes. At the sizes quoted I would not think that the electrodes would last for very long. Have you switched to using wire instead?
     
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    Well I bought 4 pairs of the 6" and 2 pair of the 7" when I bought the machine, looking long term then. I really expected the crap hitting the rotator years ago. I'm on my last pair now and was thinking about messaging you for some wire. It would be easy to just drill holes in the plastic holder. Looking at them I don't have to do anything for a while yet, as the originals strips were much thicker back then.

    But when the day comes I will get some wire from you, promise.
     
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    It looks like the price of water distillers has come way down. I just bought one on eBay for $63 plus $10 for shipping. This looks like one of the same units that have been selling for $150 on the web, including shipping. Having one of these will make a huge difference in your ability to make repeatably good batches of colloidal silver. The distillation process only purifies by a factor of about 100. So the distiller will always be at the mercy of the water that goes into his distiller. This will vary during the year as the rains come and go and polluters get caught or not.
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    If you bought one of these things from my recommendation I hope that you haven't yet received it. It has severe limitations. It doesn't stop until all the water is completely evaporated. This leaves all the contaminants in solid form at the bottom of the heating chamber. The instructions say to fill the chamber with tap water for the first use and run the distiller. It left a deposit at the bottom. When we ran a gallon of distilled water which read 1.7 on our EC meter it produced distilled water that read 20 times that. The reason of course is that the distilled water absorbed some metals from the residue left by the tap water. So if you're going to use one of these the first rule should be never put anything in it except previously distilled water. Even then the results will be unpredictable.
    The process of distillation is such that the steam will be pure but the minerals don't just disappear, they are left in the remaining water. So the chamber should never be empty. The distillation process should stop with the least one quarter of the water still remaining. The maker of this unit either didn't know this or just didn't care. If you're going to get one of these units get a kitchen timer and set it up for say three hours to stop the unit.
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    As my friends in the mob say "if you want to get respect, you have to give respect". I believe it is also true that if you want to get information, good information, you have to give it in order to receive it. This is what I have done on this thread over the past two years.
    I wanted to gain a better understanding of the whole "silver as medicine" scene. The earliest aspect of this scene was pretty dismal. Twenty years ago people were using salt and tap water. It's a wonder how more of them did not turn themselves blue. I spent 10 years experimenting using Canadian silver Maple leafs as a source of pure silver. These came out in 1988 and served as a great resource as at that time 9999 pure silver was available only at extremely high cost. The GIM alternative health forum is unique in that it is not controlled or influenced by any commercial interests. I don't know of any other forums that can say this. The information that I have tried to convey has been intended for those willing to spend the time and effort to make their own colloidal silver. The techniques detailed enable anyone to make colloidal silver of at least 10 PPM ionic without relying on any particular supplier. There are limitations. Without highly sophisticated methods of controlling the dynamics of what is actually happening at the anode during the process of electrolysis, it is impossible to achieve an ionic content beyond a certain level reliably. This is one of the main reasons that no two batches ever seem to be the same, an observation raised in one of the posts. Doing this requires a real-time expert system, in essence a dedicated computer control system.
    I think that we can say that we have firmly established the fact that a high ionic PPM while maintaining a clear solution and the ability to maintain that level over time are the factors with which we can judge the quality of what we make. Back in April of this year I posted a picture of what I had achieved using a microcontroller and some sophisticated analog circuitry, 37 ppm and it is still clear as a bell. I have continued to refine the system into a half gallon system which has two modes of operation. The ionic mode will operate in such a way as to optimize the ionic PPM strength while maintaining a minimum of particulate silver and that particulate being of a very small particle size. There will be an option for switching to a particulate mode for those who wish to make a topical product and that mode of operation will be similar to the better generators already on the market.
     
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    Do you have a Release Date for this new equipment abe. ?
     
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    We should be able to start shipping to the general public on February 1, 2017. The time between now and New Year's can be very difficult in terms of getting things done in business but we already have all the parts and are waiting for the enclosures to be molded and machined. The silver wire is not a problem, Atlasnova always has lots of that and it's a good thing because each of these machines use 1.5 ounces. The instructions for use need to be done but that should be an easier job as this unit has an LCD monitor display which will be informing the user of everything that's going on. The software for the ionic mode is finished and is resulting in a consistent result of over 50 ppm without the solution turning yellow with large particles. I'm surprised and pleased at how this has turned out. The part of the program that runs the particle mode will be finished in the next week or so. It is relatively very simple but I think it's a worthwhile addition for those who wish to explore the use of silver in topical applications.
     
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    Really neat what you are doing, abe. There is so much misinformation with CS. Just curious what processor you used? I've used PICs before and they seem well suited to a project like that, and very low cost.
     
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    Thank you for the kind words, T.N. you made a good guess on the choice of microprocessors. The PIC was my choice because of their excellent set of development tools. I had hoped to use one of the little eight pin devices but as I learned more about the effectiveness of some mathematical techniques on the process I had to go to a larger device. When I started this thread it was my purpose to reassure people that they could make colloidal silver themselves at a quality and relative strength at home by simply following some general principles. Thus, the first post:
    At the time of that first post I had made a survey of the so-called automatic colloidal silver generators available. The best of them, such as the silverpuppy, would shut down when a certain voltage point was reached between the electrodes. This point will vary with the purity of the starting water and the temperature. Because the user has no control over these variables, it would have to be chosen as a compromise if the designer wished to avoid large particles. As a result even the best of them, such as the "silverpuppy", could do no better than 10 to 15 ppm ionic. There was also the problem of a lack of repeatability in the results. This was common with all of them. I saw no reason to do this as any DIYer with good materials, some patience and an understanding of a few principles could produce a better product.
    From the responses on this thread I came to the conclusion that for one reason or another most people would be unwilling to make the effort necessary to manually use my methods. It is a further testimony to the effectiveness of colloidal silver that what was produced by these automatic generators still worked to help people with their various problems. Silver ions are, in fact, a very powerful and effective weapon against the various harmful bacteria, viruses and fungi all around us. Even a relatively weak solution of silver ions work to some extent. That being said ,it cannot be denied, though some will try, that for a given task 50 ppm ionic will be 10 times as effective in a given situation than five PPM.
    When I started this project I had no real confidence that I would be able to significantly improve on the 20 PPM figure that my larger manual generators could produce. The availability of microprocessors allowed me to apply the techniques that I had used working in electronics during the space race. I could apply techniques using one chip that would have required a whole trailer full of state-of-the-art equipment at the time.
    I got a call yesterday from Paul, one of my first customers for the 1 gallon per day kit. He has been using the colloidal silver he makes from his unit to control his attacks of shingles for the past 10 years. He tells me that when the sores and the pain start appearing, he starts spraying the breakouts repeatedly with the 20 PPM plus he makes with the unit. It always works for him. If he gets impatient and stops the process at a lower PPM it simply doesn't work as well. I have heard this from many other Shingles sufferers. Apparently, it is really tough problem to deal with. People like Paul, with problems like his, should benefit greatly by the ability to make 50 ppm ionic reliably.
     
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    Abe...., Suggest to Paul to take some CS internally too either sublingually or gargle and swallow. Attack from two directions, topical and internally.
    Last night I saw a commercial for a handheld vaporizer the ad said they are sold at TARGET and other major box stores. That may be a good way to get CS into the body by inhalation into the lungs. I use CS/EIS with distilled water in my CPAP reservoir for years now.
    I carry the Chicken Pox virus myself but since using CS/EIS I have had no outbreaks (Coldsores - lips or Zosters - fingers) and I've NEVER had a Shingles out break.

    Something to consider, and Trying to help a fellow CS user too.

    We Are Our Own Researchers.
     
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    I just received my 2 ounce bottle of colloidal silver from info wars. The quality of the product is much better than I had expected. I don't know how they can do it for $10 including shipping. It's only 2 ounces, but that should be enough for someone to prove to themselves that it would help with the problems, such as a sinus infection or pinkeye. People are subject to so much negative information about colloidal silver some way for them to try it with a minimum commitment is necessary. The info wars people should be congratulated on their ability to provide this service. As the following picture shows, it tests out to a strength of 39 ppm for ionic content, well in line with their claim of 30 ppm. It has a slight Amber color indicating a larger average particle size than is perfectly desirable, but quite acceptable for limited internal use. Those of us who already know of the great benefits of colloidal silver should not hesitate to recommend this offer. Thanks GB. IMG_9900.JPG
     
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    When you go into basic training in the service one of the first things they drill into you is the fact that when you "ASSUME", you make ASS out of U and ME. It seems I have done it again. When I read the product description:

    "highly unique electrical process that seeks to create a minute particle size while also focusing in on the stability of these particles -- all without the use of chemical additives that some manufacturers choose to place within their "natural" products."
    "its clean nature that is free of toxic artificial additives."
    I thought they were using our method.
    I should have paid more attention to the following:
    "Note: We have made the decision to switch to blue colored bottles for this run of Silver Bullet Colloidal Silver. The formula itself has not changed."
    "Concentrated to 30 ppm (parts per million) in a pure base of deionized water,".

    Here's a picture of this stuff after being open for five days in a clear glass. It has gone decidedly murky. I finally got up the courage to go ahead and taste this stuff. Reminded me of cream soda with maybe a little bit of salt added. This stuff has nothing to do with what we have been working on in this thread. The fact that it measures 39.8 microsiemens on my conductivity meter means nothing in terms of silver. A little bit of sugar or a tiny bit of salt added to distilled water would give the same result. If anything goes in to the process aside from pure water and pure silver, a conductivity measurement is meaningless. This is not to say that there is no silver in this stuff. There may be and it may have some beneficial effect.
    The hard truth is that manufacturers who are bottling things are not going to be interested in manufacturing methods that take a certain length of time. I'm sure you can make big batches of so-called colloidal silver using a chemical process, probably involving silver nitrate, in quantities of gallons in minutes. From there you start up the bottling line machine and start pumping them out, and that's how you make money. I'm afraid that all I've done in ordering this stuff and testing it is to prove the point that if you want the right stuff, at the right price, you have to make your own.

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    So I'll say it for ya, "Snake Oil".

    Edit to add: Never in the 12 years that I have been making CS have I ever made something that looked like that.
     
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