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The Lunar Gold Rush: How Moon Mining Could Work

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  1. searcher

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    The Lunar Gold Rush: How Moon Mining Could Work


    Jeff Desjardins
    on May 19, 2015 at 4:27 pm


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    The Lunar Gold Rush: How Moon Mining Could Work

    Humans are already going to extremes to get natural resources. Gold and platinum mines in South Africa go as deep as almost 4 km into the Earth’s crust, which is about twice the depth of the Grand Canyon.

    Meanwhile, up high in the Andes are some of the biggest copper and gold operations in the world. In Peru, La Rinconada is the world’s highest permanent settlement at 5,100 m, and it is situated strategically between many artisanal gold deposits in the mountains.

    However, there are two frontiers that humans are still exploring in their early stages: the deep sea and spacial bodies such as asteroids, planets, and the moon. Today’s infographic covers the prospect of moon mining.

    While we often think of the moon as a pretty barren landscape, it turns out moon mining could take advantage of many natural resources present on the lunar surface.

    Water is vital in space for a multitude of reasons, such as for use in human consumption, agriculture, or hydrogen fuel. It’s also cost prohibitive to transport water to space anytime we may need it from earth. Scientists are now confident that the moon has a variety of water sources, including water locked up in minerals, scattered through the broken-up surface, and potentially in blocks or sheets at depth.

    Helium-3 is a rare isotope of helium. Currently the United States produces only 8kg of it per year for various purposes. Helium-3 is a sought-after resource for fusion energy and energy research.

    Lastly, rare earth elements (REEs) are also at high concentrations on the moon. KREEP (Potassium, REEs, and Phosphorus) is a geochemical mixture of some lunar impact breccia rocks and is expected to be extremely common on the moon. This mix also has other important substances embedded, such as uranium, thorium, fluorine, and chlorine.

    If a lunar colony is indeed in our future, moon mining operations may be an important component of it.

    Original graphic from: 911 Metallurgist


    http://www.visualcapitalist.com/the...ail&utm_term=0_31b4d09e8a-8862748e83-43751333
     
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    QWAK,I would like to know HOW they propose to refine the ore on the moon (?) --- there may be some water on the moon but not enough to wash and separate ore from rock as in GOLD mining.:s13:

    Also with the lower gravity conventional ways of separating the heavy metals from rocks most likely will be ineffective or much less effective.:thumb.aspx:

    the DUCK :s11:
     
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    I am just waiting for tree hugging whack job to demand that an environmental impact study be done before anyone be allowed to mine on the moon. Knowing the lefties they'll find some rare and endangered moon dust that must be protected.
     
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    @ DUCK: I think electroplating fits the bill.... earth first "we will mine the rest of the planets later."
     
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    QWAK,michael59,Electroplating is the LAST step in purifying GOLD but dboutfull it would work on removing the GOLD from all the over bearing rock in raw ore.:36_1_30::452::thumb.aspx:

    the DUCK :s11:
     
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    A centrifuge might work.
     
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    QWAK,skychief,HUMmmmmmmmm :thinkey: once reduced to a very fine powder that could work (?) for the first step but you would have to powder a lot of rock:36_1_25: and that would require a whole lot of energy!:thinkey:

    I would still like to hear from the ones with this grand idea:thumb.aspx: ---- saying and doing are two very different things!:36_1_30:

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    what did they call that stuff ZYCLON(?) you know where the carbon and nitrogen atom are I think double bonded? cy-an-nide....leach the stuff out. I mean it has to work, it just has to anti-M....IDK, though just maybe they can pick up enough moon-ie-an's poop (which should be way dense and dry froze and tumble that with the ore? or a stamp mill with the stamps loaded with enriched uranium (for weight) and just pulverize the stuff. Then take what ever water they have generated [so far] slurry that stuff up, tumble again decant and plate.......

    come on DUCK work with me here I never been on the moon.... :)
     
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    This "space" crap is so tedious.

    "Our Destiny in the Stars!"

    People who believe such nonsense have never studied basic economics, or had to survive when technology breaks down in hostile environments like scuba diving, or camping in snow 40 miles from a cell tower.
     
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    There will come a time, assuming that we don't kill each other first, that traveling to mars will be about as troublesome as flying to la from nyc today is.
     
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    On what do you base this belief?

    Star Trek Picard Socialism? The ever increasing number of people flying into space? Hope?
     
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    Science and technology will progress forward. Assuming that we don't put ourselves in the dark ages again or go extinct our technology will be beyond what anyone can imagine now in 1000 years.

    Just think about it, if you told people hundreds of years ago that a bomb smaller than a basketball could take out a city or that humans would be capable of flying in the air faster than the speed of sound or that someone in New York could talk to someone in real time across the planet in China, everyone would say you are full of shit.
     
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    That is true, but there is no good economic reason to go to Mars. Big Government propaganda about Space are really just to ensure funding for Big Government military projects.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_propaganda

    Leftist like Phil Plait are paid to promote it. Atheists like Neil DeGrass Tyson are paid to promote nonsense like Quantum Physics.

    Ask them why after 100 years of "miracle science", there is no cure for the common cold, much less cancer.
     
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    There is no economic reason to go to Mars today. That will most likely change as technology progresses.

    There are cures for some cancers. With nanotechnology, they might make something that will prevent us from being sick from pathogens. I know they are already working on it. Don't hold your breath waiting, but it will be here and eventually it will be cheap if not free.
     
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    What economic reason would that be?
     
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    QWAK,IF there were stacks of .9999 GOLD bars mined refined and cast in to bars just siting on the surface FREE for the taking ----- it would take too much time effort and $$$$ to go get them and bring them back!:thinkey::thumb.aspx:

    Not to mention IF we could get there for little or no expence --- the price of GOLD would fall so low that LOWS would be selling them a patio blocks!:36_11_6::4_1_72:

    the DUCK :s11:
     
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    To infinity and beyond... yeah that was in a movie (cartoon) I used to watch with the children..... and my dad used to read and watch buck rodgers..... so now we have a new generation looking at the stars....

    I say they will decide when we are just a memory....
     
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    I don't know; I can speculate that if space travel becomes cheap, and huge advances are made in terraforming, maybe they will build condos lol.
     
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    This is completely fascinating to me; the whole matter of space fascinates me.

    With regards to this post specifically, I enjoy how the OP poster states that the depletion of just one percent of the moon will not negatively affect the gravitational pull and/or its orbit. However, "In the case of the moon, it is moving away from us at a rate of 3.78 centimeters (1.5 inches) per year" (unknown exact internet resource, but not my own made-up information), http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-12311119, and I fear to think that anything we do to, potentially, mess up our graceful dance with one another would only serve to hasten Earths demise... I would not want to risk depleting the Moon other than what may be needed to partially colonize it and/or whats's needed to minimally, further, study it. With that all said, I think colonizing the moon is practical, and the right thing to do, but only as a way-point and/or maybe better put, it should/could be seen as the first rocket rest-stop on Universe Highway One (UH1). Our first major stop into the Universe - on our way out of here... We can mess with larger asteroids and deplete them of stuff we may need until we get to Mars or Jupiter. The large asteroids along the way could be like gas stations in space - we can deplete them and mess with them instead.

    So much about space is still very philosophical at this point in time. I am a big fan of Mr. Hawkings. He is much brighter than I am... Today we believe and teach our kids about black holes, but in twenty years from now, we may learn that black holes are not at all as we once thought (which is fine). For example, If I understand correctly, he is saying that a black hole does, indeed, suck things in, but in contrast to modern belief, it slowly releases the matter back out - by way of a small steady leak - and things are not sucked into its singularity for an infinite amount of time and/or to a place we are not sure of yet... So, my point is, it seems that Einstein has yet to be proven wrong, but his theory is being tested more so than ever... So, we need to go slowly but steadily...

    In the grand scheme of things we are just still space-babies and developing - so, would you allow an infant to make possible life and death choices about your life? Now how about allowing that space-baby to mess with our moon - which has such a Huge impact on our existence? Eye deaf-it-nittly wood knot!

    Moreover, it seems that the next twenty years or so of space exploration, travel, and/or understanding will answer a great deal of things, and is poised to be a huge leap for us in many ways. As it will also be sure to stir up many questions too. However, with Mars one gearing up, the new James Webb Space telescope being made (http://www.jwst.nasa.gov/), and NASA's, overall, plans for Mars (http://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/marc...urney-to-mars-progress-on-asteroid-initiative) - we seem to be embarking on very exciting times indeed. Now, whether or not we ever even made it to the moon is still the $64,000 question, and I truly hope this stuff is not all Science-Fiction... I also see the potential for Space Wars to truly become a problem - more so than ever before, but most importantly, the near future seems chock full of some very amazing stuff - to say the least. I for one would love to see some pictures or videos of a rogue planet (or planets) before I become space dust myself...

    I look forward to checking up on this thread - be well all - Ozzy
     
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    In my ideal dream we were meant to use the inner planets to build spaceships, fuel them at the gas giants and head out to "the final frontier". ;)

    R
     
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    And dutifully paying taxes to the big banks, because, ...Stars!

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    Agreed. They are so far away from actually doing this, its not even worth the lip service at this point. The initial investment to create any infrastructure on the moon would be .... ummmm ASTRONOMICAL. And They havent harvested even a single molecule of Helium-3.

    With available technologies, the logistics preclude this type of lunar mining operation. They would never even reach the point of 'diminishing returns'.

    Perhaps further on down the road... like in 50 or 60 years. :deal:
     
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    One day in the future that I imagine, a nucleosynthesis and a 3d printer will be hooked to trash cans and we will turn garbage into statues of worthless but beautiful gold.
     
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    PM's from the moon might be really pricy.
     
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    US Congress passes bill on space mining


    Cecilia Jamasmie
    May 22, 2015




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    Artist rendition of a mining operation in space. (Screenshot via YouTube)



    The U.S. Congress has taken a step forward towards defining out-of-Earth’s property rights by passing this week a commercial space bill that would help asteroid miners delimit the scope of their businesses.

    Until now, there was no legislation clarifying issues such as whether resources mined from celestial bodies could be sold on Earth, or what would happen if someone other than a base-owner needs or wants to land there.

    The “Space Resource Exploration and Utilization Act” guarantees to U.S. space corporations the rights to keep whatever they dig up in outer space:


    Any asteroid resources obtained in outer space are the property of the entity that obtained such resources, which shall be entitled to all property rights thereto, consistent with applicable provisions of Federal law.


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    Some asteroids are packed with minerals valued in the trillions of dollars.



    Among other things, the proposed law would delay any airline-style regulation of space tourism until at least 2025, provide liability protection for some launches, and streamline permitting processes.

    If enacted, it also would create new commercial property rights in space that have some space lawyers (they do exist!) worried about possible major repercussions.

    Berin Szoka, head of the libertarian technology policy think tank TechFreedom, is one of the many experts that have warned about the lack of legislation on ownership of resources extracted from the Moon, planets, comets and other bodies.

    In a letter addressed to Congress, he said that without effective property rights, the vast resources available beyond Earth will benefit “no one.”


    “The technologies needed to open the space frontier to sustainable settlement will never be developed, let alone deployed, unless investors know that they have enforceable rights to the fruits of their investments and the ability to operate peacefully without interference,” he wrote.



    Szoka warned that, if the issue is perceived as being approached in an imperialistic way, the bill could either revive interest in the Moon Treaty (which bans private property in space), or trigger a very narrow reading of the outer space treaty.

    Geologists believe asteroids are packed with iron ore, nickel and precious metals at much higher concentrations than those found on Earth, making up a market valued in the trillions of dollars.



    http://www.mining.com/us-congress-passes-bill-on-space-mining/
     
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    QWAK,Talk about government OVER REACH!:thumb.aspx:

    They need to talk about how to PAY for what they have already done in space ----- it was all done on CREDIT/DEBT and the bill is long over DUE!:36_1_30::thumb.aspx:

    the DUCK :s11:
     
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    Am I to understand it is a 'If you touch it it is yours' that Berin Szoka is advocating? Well that is cool and as it should be.....now what happens if you are an asteroid sailor and lose control of it, it smacks the moon and dissolves it into a pile of rubble? I'm sorry guys I just have no faith in anything hitting the earth....I'm a moon baby I guess......

    anywhoo What would be the point of profit bringing stuff back to earth at all? It really makes no sense to bring things back now to build out there, why that is the way to go.... so there is no profit brot here so no tax so cool I am all for it because this will seed the cosmos..... but plz don't destroy that moon it will fade away eventually.....
     
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    overhyped to the max. go to google news 'science' section. all space crap, all the time

    same liars still refer to oil/gas as fossil fuel
     
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    of course nyc.dc can go get moon pieces anytime they want. they just claim science, grab a fist full of our money using their magic money dilution machine...
     
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    Is Space Mining Set To Change The World?



    https://youtu.be/IKAQmE1Iexw

    Published on May 26, 2015
    Moon Mining: As the US grants it's first space mining bill, this report examines how lunar mining might change the world

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    40 years since man last walked on the surface of the moon, scientists are developing lunar mining technologies that could be responsible for the first lunar colony, and the next leap in space exploration.

    "When President H. W. Bush mentioned, 'Let's go back to the moon, but this time to stay', I said, 'This is it. This is my job'", says Professor Leonhard Bernold. Now he is leading research at the University of New South Wales into how man can mine, build and live on the moon, all by using moon materials as the primary resource. Is this the beginning of a new "space economy"?
     
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    QWAK,It is way more particle to use what we got here on Earth more efficiently and NOT waisting it and recycling it!:thinkey::thumb.aspx:

    What ever you can get or harvest or mine off the moon or some asteroid you cand do here for a small fraction of the cost and effort of doing it there!:thinkey::thumb.aspx:

    Don't waist what you got and you will NEVER run out because the Earth recicles every thing!:applause_smiley::2:

    the DUCK :s11:
     
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    How disturbing that again they spend time on crap like this when the country is so fked up, companies in the us are going bk due to depressed commodity prices and they spent how many days on this garbage.
     
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    This whole idea of moon/asteroid mining is out of this world!
     
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    Wouldn't it be constructive to actually have a man set foot on the moon before we talk about colonizing it? Until we come up with a way to protect a person leaving earth orbit and into the Van Allen radiation belts, why even talk about this gibberish? Technologically, we're probably at least 30 years away from even getting a person to the moon let alone mining/colonizing it.
     
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    Sure it could work...if the costs weren't INSANE.

    R.
     
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    Space would also be a good way to get rid of garbage. Send up a rocket full of it to the sun. It would be a hell of an incinerator. I could also see the mob buying small rockets to get rid of the bodies.
     
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