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The Media Elite Is Indulging Dangerous Fantasies About Removing Trump From Office.

Discussion in 'Politics Forum (Local/National/World)' started by mayhem, May 19, 2017.



  1. mayhem

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    Ross Douthat argues in The New York Times that the cabinet and Congress should remove Trump from office. It's a reckless argument for undermining democracy.​

    After several days of disturbing revelations about President Trump’s conduct in office, here come the calls for his removal—not from progressives (those have already come, early and often), but from conservatives. Ross Douthat of the New York Times writes in his Wednesday column that Trump should be removed from office, not impeached, using the mechanisms provided by the 25th Amendment to the Constitution.

    The Cold War-era amendment allows the removal of the president if a majority of the cabinet affirms that he is unable to discharge the duties of his office. If the president resists, a two-thirds vote from Congress will confirm the cabinet’s judgement. It was designed to clarify who has the constitutional authority to declare a president incapacitated, a necessity that became apparent following the assassination of President Kennedy.

    The 25th Amendment is not, however, a way for elites to get rid of a president they despise without having to persuade the millions of people who voted for him that he is indeed unfit for office. Douthat is indulging a dangerous fantasy here. It might feel good to write a column calling for the president’s removal. It might give pundits a rush of blood to the head. But this is not a parlor game.

    The country is deeply divided. People have taken to attacking each other in the streets and threatening congressmen when they venture outside Washington. We’re still recovering from a presidential election that actually ended marriages and tore families apart. Trump’s election was, more than anything else, a giant middle finger to the political establishment, which has lost the confidence of the American people.

    If now seems like the right time for that establishment to launch an unconstitutional coup to remove the president through a specious application of the 25th Amendment, then I respectfully submit that you’re underestimating the precariousness of national life at this moment.

    The Elites Don’t Know Best
    None of this is a defense of Trump. Perhaps it will turn out that he really is unfit for office. He certainly seems to be woefully deficient in the qualities necessary for a successful presidency, like prudence, patience, and a general seriousness and curiosity about the world. Of course, the torrent of news this week should worry every American.

    But we should be equally worried about the illegal leaks that have fueled the news this week. Understand what these leaks mean: an unelected fourth branch of the government, the administrative state, is trying desperately to undermine the duly elected leader of the executive branch. The press is on the side of the administrative state, and would like nothing more than to be rid of this troublesome president, whom nobody important voted for anyway.

    The argument for removing Trump at this juncture amounts to an elitist desire to nullify the votes of some 63 million Americans. Some, like Douthat, are no doubt motivated by a paternalistic urge to redirect the misguided frustrations of their benighted countrymen. Douthat took to Twitter Wednesday morning to bolster his case, saying that removing Trump “harnesses a central use of an elite—their ability to respond swiftly to a situation the public as a whole can’t reckon with.” He seems unaware that the public has already rendered judgement on the elite, and no longer wants their swift response. (Note that this was the exact same justification for the bank bailout, which incensed most Americans.)

    Others, like the leaders of the Democratic Party, no doubt believe the people didn’t really elect Trump at all, because of the Russians or some such. Either way, the point is that the people cannot have known what they were doing when they put Trump in office, and now the elites must save us from ourselves.

    Douthat justifies his stance on the insistence that Trump is too stupid to knowingly commit the “high crimes and misdemeanors” that would warrant impeachment. Thus it falls to Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, and Mitch McConnell to do the right thing and launch a palace coup. Indeed, it’s their duty, he says, since “leaving a man this witless and unmastered in an office with these powers and responsibilities is an act of gross negligence, which no objective on the near-term political horizon seems remotely significant enough to justify.” It’s not like Hillary will become president or Gorsuch will be removed from the Supreme Court, so what’s the big deal?

    This Is Not A Game, It’s A Dangerous Fantasy

    The big deal right now, as Douthat concedes, is that the president’s unfitness for office hinges on whether “several days’ worth of entirely credible leaks and revelations are to be believed.” He apparently believes them all, along with the entire media establishment.

    But that’s a wholly insufficient basis on which to call for the president’s removal. It’s reckless to do so—not because there are no questions that need to be answered, but because having a bad president (even a stupid and childish one) isn’t reason enough to steal from the American people one of the few means they have left to exercise self-governance.

    It should go without saying that we have entered a dangerous and volatile time in our history. What those in positions of influence say and do now might well have grave consequences in the near future. If you believe Trump is dangerous, that is understandable. Many of us believed Obama was dangerous, too.

    The country staggers back and forth: the people reject their appointed rulers, civil society rests on a knife’s edge. Removing the president will not save the republic, but making serious arguments for doing so will certainly imperil it.

    John is a senior correspondent for The Federalist. Gage Skidmore / Flickr


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  2. the_shootist

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    Until the people overrun and silence the MSM the pain will continue unabated. The MSM is guilty of treason and they are on the list of payback
     
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    The media elite is diverting our focus away from the obvious fact that the left and the right are two sides of the same coin.
     
  4. Alton

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    Well, maybe no need to "overrun and silence the MSM"... just continue turning our backs on them. Watch the advertisers. They keep pulling funding from MSM and MSM will starve to death. Where's all those newspapers and magazines that used to be published in the US?
     
  5. the_shootist

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    You assume the MSM will go away or somehow lose their voice. Me thinks you might be assuming too much fantasy :)
     
  6. Howdy

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    The goal is to displace lies with truth, not silence anything.
     
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    Great, who has the 800 lb megaphone in the room. Let's make them hand it over so we can tell our truth. How do we displace what they say? They are the only source of truth for 10's of millions of lemmings in this country.

    I don't think you're wrong, I just don't see a way that can happen without challenging and defeating the people who we're fighting. This is a war you know. Way too many people are having trouble absorbing that concept because of a lack of objectiveness obtained through decades of media mind training they've exposed themselves to.
     
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    Of course, that's their job, to spin shit. But that doesn't mean we have to read it or engage in it. Fuck all such news I say.
     
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    Listened to Rush today. Rush is right on target as usual. Stated today how the overwhelming majority of MSM is negative on Trump. FOX is 52% negative on Trump. I still watch Hannity everyday. The MSM has gotten to the point it is just too stressful to listen to their BS and lies. If the circus ever runs short of clowns, MSM has an unlimited supply.
     
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    I find watching Fox amusing but the key is small doses....very small doses
     
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    Fox fired Bob Beckel today, finally! I hated that cocksucker.
     
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    Perhaps. However, you can see the evidence here. Look at what phoneman says in this thread:
    I watch the local news so I can see what the weather chix are forecasting. Beyond that I go do something else. Other people here are turning their backs on MSM. Revenue streams to ALL MSM networks are dwindling. Nielsen ratings show a continuous loss of viewers of ALL broadcast news sources and of tv in general.

    The fact is MSM is losing. Losing viewers, losing revenues and losing their minds trying to get it all back. They've done it to themselves by thinking they exist "to mold public opinion" rather than report any news. They wear their bias on their tongue and every time they open their mouths we hear the lies, smell the BS and see the bias on their tongues. They are the ones fully enthralled to shooting themselves in the foot...repeatedly.

    MSM obviously ain't dead today. But they are quite deep into the process of extinction. And notice not one shot has been fired, well, outside of the occasional lunatic.

    Give it time, they will be gone.
     
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    The problem is, Trump made enemies of the Press...even more bitter than they already were through political ideology. Yeah, he already knows that they will do anything and say anything to discredit him...after the election he, should have just shut up and let his Presidency serve as a daily reminder of their shortcomings. Instead, he tries to take every opportunity to poke his finger in their eyes...as a result, I would not put it past the MSM to have marching orders to simply make stuff up about Trump and credit "sources" just to make his life a living hell.
     
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    Trump knows how to use the mockingbird media to generate publicity for himself. He knows too that his base of support already distrusts the media, so when they attack him with baseless hearsay and "unnamed source" supplied conjecture they also further alienate those that support the president. His handling of the press has been masterful imo, and is the reason why he's the POTUS. I hope he doesn't change his handling of the press, because it is the MSMs relentless assault on this duly elected president that is showing more and more people every day that the talking heads on teevee are horribly biased and will stop at nothing to move their progressive agenda forward.
     
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    If they make up enough stuff and keep trying to discredit him it will backfire on them. How many times can they do this with baseless accusations before everyone catches on, including the leftist viewers they still have?
     
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    Exactly. I laugh at the suggestion that Trump could have made nice to the MSM and have avoided all this drama. The MSM would have continued to pick and prod and we'd be seeing the same crap come out anyway. The goal is to discredit Trump at every opportunity. Trump is fighting a war and there are offensives that are critical in winning, or even surviving in a war
     
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    This could cause some major improvement to my mental and physical health.
     
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    Like repeatedly crying wolf, but isn't that what MSM does best?

    The video junkies are addicted to bad news and dirty laundry.
     
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    They are writing some kind of dramatic, alternate history novel with Trump as the main character and releasing a few lines every week. They hide behind the First Amendment claiming they can publish anything, but they crossed the line when they threw away journalism. Some should be brought up on slander.
     
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    And the media has been doing a very good job of destroying themselves.
     
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    The only ones going through hell are the people that believe, or want to believe, what they read. Those poor, stupid fecks are melting down on a daily basis. Sad to watch but I will admit, it is entertaining also.
     
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    Only in the minds of critical thinkers. The rest still worship television and I predict the mass media will survive.
     
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