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The Obesity Code: Unlocking the Secrets of Weight Loss

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  1. dacrunch

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    Go to Malaysia or Thailand, and throw a brick through a Bank window.

    By the time you get out of jail, you'll be nice & trim.
     
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    Yeah, maybe so, but your health will be all shot to h*ll. I don't need a beating with bamboo rods. I need a better blood pressure reading and consistently lower blood sugar.
     
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    The bamboo rods will improve your circulation, and the rice-bowl diet will lower your blood pressure and sugar levels... ;-)
     
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    The rods will certainly increase my circulation, but will also increase my blood pressure. And Crunch, you haven't been paying attention. Rice is all carb. It will shoot your sugars sky high.
     
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    yeah, i've been tongue in cheek in this thread...
     
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    I did the pan fried cauliflower thing for breakfast this morning. Fried in butter and olive oil and added some green and red peppers and onions. It was good, but would have been better if I'd used fresh peppers and onions, instead of frozen. I'll try it again, sometime.
     
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    I started Keto last year. The benefits are many. Mental clarity and better memory, rapid weight loss, 3-4 lbs a week. No food cravings and was never hungry.
    The hard part was trying to get enough fiber without going over on the carbs. Avacados are your best friend.
    I did Keto with intermittent fasting. Basically I ate all my food in a 4 hr window and fasted 20 hrs a day except for bullet proof coffee in the morning. Bullet proof coffee is coffee with coconut oil or MCT oil and butter. whip it up in a blender and its like a smooth creamy latte.

    I used this site mostly for keto recipes and info. http://www.ruled.me/keto-recipes/#

    I did stop it. After about 3 months I really felt like shit.. Others on the forums said they experienced the same thing then did a carb load for a weekend and felt better and went right back on it. Not sure what thats all about. I tried the carb load for a weekend and never went back to keto. Pizza took ahold of me and wont let go.

    I also like a lot more fruit and veggies than I am allowed to have. Looking into a vegan o vegetarian keto diet now.
     
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    Yeah, that's funny. Some people, myself included, just need that carb load every so often. I don't know why, but I feel better after I do it and I always shed weight after a carb load. What's that about? The trick is to not do it too often, or too long. One big carb attack and you need to go back to the ketogenic eating plan, or you're shipwrecked.

    I will add that a while back I knew a lady that did the protein style diet, but she did a purposeful carb up every second weekend. And I mean she would carb up! She told me that some weekends she downed up to three half gallons of ice cream. Even so, she lost a ton of weight and kept it off. The thing with her was, after every carb weekend, she said she got so sick from the sugar that she eventually just quit eating the sugar altogether.
     
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    It's not feast or famine, it's feast then famine. Celebrate life, but if you go overboard fast to get back to where you were. Don't let the pounds get away from you....
     
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    I see carb free diet as a 2 part epoxy. If you only eat protein (1 part epoxy) it goes through you without the carbs (2nd part hardener) and you burn off stored fat.

    Retired Dr. Friend is a diabetes, hypertension Dr. He believes this affects middle European people the most and developed during the dark ages when there were food shortages. If you got a carb your body stored it. He also stated high fructose corn syrup is a foreign cell structure to your body and it don't know how to handle it and they are very hard to eliminate. Now a lot of other cultures are getting HFCS in their foods and they are putting on weight.
     
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    Yeah, all fructose is metabolized in the liver and stored there as fat. Fatty liver is one of the root causes of insulin resistance. HFCS is deadly.....
     
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    AGREED !
     
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    That is why it is sooo important to read labels.
     
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    I enjoy over easy eggs with fresh fish, both fried in butter, good quality frozen fish works OK.
    I'm just getting educated on the benefits of cauliflower, I never knew how good it was.
     
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    Believe it or not, I have lost weight using cannabis.
     
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    I made it through the seven days of my fast. Went pretty well. I did drink some bone broth a few times to wash down ibuprofen. I have arthritis in my hips and when the weather turns I feel it. But other then that, just water and tea. I lost 10 pounds in the seven days..

    I am going to continue with the intermittent fasting, trying to go 16-18 hours between feeds. And maybe I'll do some more longer fasts in a bit....

    I'll start I the low carb recipe thread in a bit.
     
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    Is using real butter a must or is olive oil or coconut oil OK?
     
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    For those that do not think they have an "insulin issue", studies show that 70-80 percent of Americans have hyperinsulinemia. IT probably causes 75% or more of the health issues most people face.

    Look up metabolic syndrome.

    metobolicsyndrom.PNG
     
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    I would avoid canola and sunflower oils. The rest are good - coconut, ghee, avocado, butter and animal fat. Beware lots of fraud in olive oil. Know what you are buying.....

    The one thing I would say about animal fats. When animals are not eating their natural food (ie factory farm aminals) the crap in their feed tends to store in their fat. So the animal fats you eat are BEST from grass fed, range fed and organic fed animals.

    I made beef bone broth the other day from some grass feed cow knuckle bones and didn't drain one drop of fat. Awesome stuff.
     
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    Nice rant here....

     
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    Exercise.

    I have been suffering from some debilitating pain which radiates from my neck to my fingertip.

    I visited the doc on Friday, and she suggested a massage, but not before the med assistant put me on the scale.

    I was 15 pounds overweight, and I have lost 5 pounds since Friday.

    I intend to shed 10 more by the end of the week and hopefully be back to normal.

    Exercise.
     
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    Zed Size doesn't count! Midas Member

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    BUGS! It's all microbiology, those little B's are in total control of your health.
     
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    I have similar problems. Lots of pain, on both sides of my shoulders/upperback/neck, that radiates down the arms. I believe the problems stem from weaknesses in the small upper back muscles and rotator cuff muscles. The more I exercise those muscles, the less pain I seem to have, overall. My opinion. If you gently work those upper back/rotator cuff muscles and strengthen them, your pains might diminish. The best exercises I've found that help that area are done with resistance bands. Amazon sells sets of large latex rubber bands, essentially, from 5-10 pound resistance on up, for relatively cheap prices. The small resistance bands, (5-10#, etc. and up) in several sizes, would probably be all you need.
    As far as specific exercises, let me know if you're interested in what works for me and I can do descriptions on the forum or send you to good YouTube videos.
     
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    Is it worse in the morning when you get up? Try sleeping with wrist braces to keep your wrists straight while you sleep.
     
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    I really do believe in the low-carb diet. Salad instead of pasta, potato or rice on my plate. But so long as there are sliders and corn dogs in the freezer, I am doomed. One cocktail into the evening and my willpower vanishes. I know, I know... stop drinking :)
     
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    My motto: I eat to live, not live to eat...
     
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    hahahahahah, I grew up listening to the opposite.
    Dad liked to say, "I live to eat, I don't eat to live".
    I try to live in the middle of those, moderation.
     
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    YUP, follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!
    So what would the world be like without money ? I seriously doubt that it would be worse !!
    At 8:30 to 8:50 he hits the nail on the head !!
     
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    A dear friend of mine is currently in the stage of getting repeated "adjustments" to his new dentures. The dentures have altered his eating habits and he's lost some weight over the past few months.

    Having type 2 diabetes has caused me to lose weight once I got with the dietary program. Yes, high fat/low carb does work. And DON'T forget your greens!

    Exercise is a farkin' joke. Yes, your body NEEDS to move. Go for a walk. Regularly. You do NOT need "vigorous exercise". In fact, "vigorous exercise" can be detrimental to your health. It's already been demonstrated that short, like 5 minutes max, bursts of activity are actually better for you than a 5 mile run or "20 minutes a day" on whatever exercise machine is being sold at the moment.

    Humans are NOT like hardware made in some factory. We are NOT all the same. There are NO one-size-fits-all solutions here. Each person and their condition(s) and challenges are quite unique and each person therefore requires unique solutions tailored for their particular challenges and coping abilities. The medical "industry" will, in general, NOT be your friend or benefactor. Remember, these are the same asshats who told you eggs are bad for you. The very same ones who told you that cholesterol was bad for you. The same ones who still say that your appendix is superfluous, unnecessary to your health and well-being then turn around and prescribe some paxil or some opioids for you. They give out so many pills it's like it's a Mexican conspiracy to turn us all into maracas...chacha, cha!

    So take the time, do your research and get busy doing what works for you. Maybe get out and see other doctors, therapists, specialists to get their opinions on your condition(s) and cherry pick what works best for you. Might keep us all around a tad longer.
     
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    Here is a must watch video.

     
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    This is a great initial podcast for The Obesity Code. Lots of basic info...

     
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    Thanks! GREAT show! I had already come to the conclusion that "insulin resistance" was the initial problem but didn't understand that all that excess insulin was actually and actively detrimental.

    On the diet, by a fool's luck I had lost weight and my HbA1c had been steadily dropping along with my blood sugar levels by mostly diet control and the use of various herbal supplements so since I was having success I got into "giving myself the occasional reward" for being a good boy. Sure enough, the weight started coming back and sugar levels levelled off and started to rise again and other issues have increased (inflammation, arthritis, etc.).

    So, here I am being an idiot yet again. However, it's time for a change now that this interview has shone the light on my error.
     
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    I think once I figured out that high insulin levels are the root cause of most metabolic issues, change was pretty easy.

    I have had hyperinsulinemia probably my whole life. Infertility, battling weight gain and now the pre-diabetic symptoms finally had me ready to do something drastic. And then I found the above book and light bulbs went off. I was not diagnosed diabetic, but I'm sure I was REALLY close and had I gone in for a physical this past January, I probably would have been put on something. Just to give an update - I'm down over 60 pounds with a little bit more to go. Keto and fasting have been the easiest weight loss ever for me - I know I am finally doing what my body needs. Inflammation is gone and I feel great.
     
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    I have done long fasting in the past (up to 35 days on water alone). Fasting is an enlightening experience -- very spiritual.

    Lately my wife and I have talked about fasting every Sunday. Would Jason Fung recommend this as a regular habit?

    Also, check out this recent study which shows intermediate dieting (2 weeks on, 2 weeks off) also is better than long term dieting: http://www.ajc.com/news/world/want-...-weeks-study-suggests/VTPeCCALbDTGTJFTKQWa8N/
     
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    He would probably say fast whenever you feel like it. Very common sense advice in the book and his other book on fasting is good too. People have been fasting for 1000s of years, who made the rule up that we had to eat 3 squares and snacks every day?

    The only folks that he recommends get doctors supervision to fast are folks on medications where dosages might need to be modified. Just listen to your body - it will tell you if you need to eat. Just up your salt/electrolytes to make up for what you are loosing in your urine.

    Autophagy and HGH peak after 24-48 hours into a fast. I usually do 3-4 day fasts a few times a month.
     
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    America has a obesity epidemic, which may get worse. I do not believe one has to go to extremes like " fasting" to break this epidemic.

    It all starts when the female is carrying a newborn in the womb. Mothers are eating garbage food , fast food, soda pop , etc and all that crap gets feed to the baby in the womb. That it the 1st thing that needs to be addressed.

    Next, once the baby is born, we are feeding them stuff made in factories loaded with sugar, artificial colors/ flavors , high fructose corn syrup ,etc.

    Then, once they enter the school system, they are fed more crap thru school lunches { other nations actually have a healthy lunch menu in their schools} and are allowed to regularly drink soda pop and candy.

    By the time these kids are adults, they are clueless as to why they are obese and do not have the knowledge to break the cycle of bad eating habits. They wrongly think that eating bacon, eggs and steaks leads to obesity and not that 32 oz soda pop they drink everyday that has 120 grams of sugar and serves no benefits from a healthy point of view.

    This bad cycle is a epidemic with gentiles in America . I have a friend who has a young kid, and the mother cant understand why her kid is hyperactive and uncontrollable. Every time I see the kid, hes guzzling down a Dr pepper and tootsie rolls/ candy bars.

    Its very difficult for any person to break this unhealthy cycle, especially when you were raised embracing this bad cycle.

    One of the easiest ways to break this bad cycle is to start by changing the liquids you drink. Switch strictly to water or water with lemon and a little stevia , or unsweet tea ,etc. Stay away from any soda pop, diet drinks, Gatorade, milk, sunny delight ,etc. Once you have got that down, then change the solid foods you eat and stay away from hi carbs/ hi sugars.
     
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    If you are really metabolically messed up, you can probably get 75% healed by cutting carbs. To get that last 25%, fasting will do the trick.

    Just depends where you are....
     
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    In the Army I didn't have a weight problem. When in the field [massive activity] I ate very little, almost fasting. Sounds crazy, but it worked. I always came home after 30 days without an ounce of fat on me. lol.

    My last job, on the network team at a enterprise level firm, kept me pretty much in the chair and eating poorly, with no time for exercise. When I left 4 years ago I was WAY above my normal weight, topped out at about 220, about 70 above my normal weight in the Army. My activity level was low for the first 3 years after leaving, but I have gradually adjusted my eating habits, more meat, more veggies, less bread, little or no sugar, checking every item for HFCS, an eliminating those products that have it. I use butter [Kerry from Ireland] or olive oil, lots of eggs and cheese. Drinking coffee without sugar, iced tea without sugar, carbonated water with and without flavoring, no sweeteners, a beer now and then. My weight dropped over time to around 180, not ideal but better. Never cut out carbs, but did reduce my intake of pasta, bread and potatoes.

    This spring I went to Poland, did a lot of walking there and ate much better food than here. Lost about 10 pounds.
    Now since coming home I have been walking the dog around town every morning for about an hour to an hour and a half.
    Weighed myself yesterday as my belt and trousers are too loose. Now I am 163 and dropping.

    All is good, no diet necessary.
     
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    That is great that you found what works for you. Sounds like you are insulin sensitive and don't have any metabolic issues. Just cutting back on some sugars and eating better doesn't work for everyone. The problem stems from hyperinsulinemia - some folks have such a high baseline insulin level that they can eat no carbs and their insulin is still too high and won't allow fat to be burned from the body. The only way for those folks to lose fat is to totally shut down insulin production and the best way to do that is fasting. But it seems that as a person loses the weight with fasting, their body heals from the constant high insulin levels their baseline insulin goes down. Once they get to a healthy body weight they should be able to eat more of a whole foods type diet without gaining the weight back.

    I know more than a few type 2 diabetics that are off all their medications and are basically healed from eating keto and fasting.
     
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    My friend has diabetes with many complications. When I met him 5 years ago, his A1C was over 13. At his latest doctor's visit, it was 5.4, a spectacular improvement. He hasn't completely eliminated his insulin (don't know if he can) but he's down from 60 units a day to 15 and on some days none. I'll take at least some credit because I do the cooking at our house. Eating healthy and reducing carbs is good for us all.
     
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