Discussion in 'Firearms' started by GOLDBRIX, Jan 29, 2017.
I agree with this guy.
Caution: There will be some hurt feelings by the end:
Bunch of snowflake youngsters.....they are sure going to be surprised one day when meeting up with the overlooked and legendary 30.06, from 90 grain to 240 grain, and M2, API, AP, Incendiary, -.22, .300 blackout, .223, .....all which are underpowered, plinking, fun calibers by old timer standards ( which won wars). Not one mentioned has the ability to take away all conceivable cover from the bad guy...sorry, I am a little biased, but .30 M2 AP is my standard round and used for dealing with body armor, light armored vehicles and everything in between....notice the North Korean Chicoms Maxim MG that was commonly directed at our Korean War boys carrying just one Garand loaded with a clip of .30 M2 AP......snowflakes, you need to desperately rethink your choice of ammo.
917601 agreed! .30-06 rules them all. All of the ought-6's contemporaries are gone yet it still is ubiquitous and feared by all. Heavy? Yes! But even a coked up adversary goes down on the first shot. No questions asked.
Time for these snowflakes need to go back to the drawing board.
I had laugh at the statement that .45ACP was on the way out. Meanwhile every new caliber tries to emulate or beat the 45's stopping power.
I like how he puts .22LR on there, it's good from a logistics standpoint, and very easy to shoot accurately, effective range isn't much though.
Always was a 30-06 fan. But after Nam I reconsidered the 7.62x39. There won't be much open field fighting going on if the balloon goes up. It will be city and surburan fighting where the 06 won't be the go to caliber. Yes the AP, AI rounds will ne needed to stop vehicles and people hiding behind logs. The AK is the cat's meow for inner city one shot knock down power. It will penetrate Kevlar, but not with plates understood, but Level-IV is heavy to be wearing all day and most will just settle for Kevlar. I own Level III plus a set of plates and can vouch for the added weight.
I own a bolt 30-06 and about 500 AP rounds, but I'm heavy on 7.36, 12 ga shot and slugs, and .45 ACP. .22lr is for food. I don't care what vest someone has, a 12 slug to the chest will take them down enough to finish the job.
30-06 is good for a Last Stand situation but how much ammo can you carry along with that heavy weight rifle if you have to get & go / bug-out ?
Every Caliber has its Pluses and Minuses.
Todays tactic seems to be overwhelm you adversary with constant suppressive fire. AND that distinctive "chang" when the magazine goes empty can give your opponent the idea you are reloading.
I tell you what I'll lay down suppressive fire YOU take out the vehicles and snipers ( Hey, where'd the machine gunner Smilie go ?)
Not one mention of 7.62 NATO thus far? Similar ballistics to the .06 yet much more compact. But you still gotta respect the loyalty of the .06 generation.
.22 LR, 9MM Luger, .45 ACP, .223/556, .308 Win., 30-06, 762x39.
I'd round it up to eight and add .357 Magnum, another caliber that has many an expert say it's done and dead only to be proven so hopelessly wrong.
Seems a bit arbitrary. "Top 5 calibers". For what? Handgun self defense? Long range rifle? Putting food on the table? For that one, I have put a lot of food on the table with a 12 gauge. I like 12 gauge at #1. I have shot more 22lr and 12 gauge than everything else combined. They just seem to be the most useful.
Every caliber has its place. And when two or more will do, everyone has their personal preference. It's a beautiful thing, actually.
Had to edit once I got all the way through the video.
You did not watch the video.
#1 - 12 ga. Due to its utility and numerous munitions
Yeah, I started posting before I got all the way through. Had to go back and edit. Didn't expect that...but happy it was there.
I like the Idea of the 300blk but i have no experience with it.......i would like to fully understand its capabilities .....
I shot a Remington model 7 suppressed in 300 Black out sub sonic last week. Where we were at I could only set the target out about 70 yards, but man it was pretty fun shooting something so quiet (and it is very quiet) that still rocked a metal swinging target with some .30 cal energy. If a guy didnt need that stamp I'd be very tempted to pick one up.
With TRUMP in Office there are two bills one in the house and one in the senate. Hearing Protection Act or something like that. Email your congressman and BOTH Senators to support their bill.
When passed Suppressors will no longer require BATFE stamp.
Every shooter has their own top five based on their needs/preferences. I liked the video but did not necessarily agree with all choices.
i got a 25.06 that is still as strong and reliable as ever
Reliability is important just as important as access to ammunition, and costs.
.300 blk was developed to create the same ballistics as the common 7.62x39 IN an AR 15 rifle. It is basically a 5.56 casing with a .30 cal bullet instead of a .223 bullet. Popularity based on turning an AR into an AK cheaply...changing out the barrel only, same mags,....( 7.62x39 -AK is still superior, 2400ft vs .30 Blk 2,000 FPS)......A fad.
If the day comes when you have to protect your gates, a .22LR can be a cheap way of finding out how serious the intruders are.
.22LR is the doctors worst nightmare. They say it goes on a tour of your body. After that shooting incident at the range, I saw first hand how damned powerful a .22LR really is. Yes, it's no heavy duty center fire big caliber, but they are easy to handle & deadly.
I have a 30-06, in fact 2 of them. I really like them, but I have several .22 rifles & handguns too. They each have their place.
Must have calibers lightest to heaviest:
1. .22 LR
5. 12 gauge
Very common. Very effective.
When paired with the right muzzle device...
Any caliber you can't find walking into any big box store, local gun shop, etcetera is useless.
Don't get me wrong I have some esoteric calibers myself like a Colt Police Positive in .38 S&w/.38 New Colt Police. It's the last gun I'd grab for survival but I like the gun and caliber combination.
Having stated that, stick with anything the government uses or any caliber that refuses to die like .30-06 or .30-30 Winchester.
So this wont do?
I have heard the same... apparently subsonic ammo has the propensity to just go in crazy directions when it makes contact, unlike high powered rounds that just cut right through.
WELL, What the Frick is It ?
Ammo looks small for a 38, The cylinder = Ditto, The Euro Style Holster w/ cleaning rod doesn't help either.
Might work well as a hammer when those seven shots run out.
This is why I'm often suspicious of those who promote a myriad of unusual cartridges and firearms that use them. One day when guns and ammo are scarce, we'll wish we didn't listen to them.
Same. I figure we should all be well practiced with 2 pistol rounds and 2 different rifle rounds, personally, I only have 1 pistol, and it's a .380... if I had to use it, we're talking dire circumstances.
For rifles, .22LR is just so cheap and common i think that should be one we all know...
Then 5.56 if you have to hit something 300 yards away.
Interesting, discontinued though. Good review on the round http://www.silencerresearch.com/aguila_sss.htm
LOL, it's a fricken Russian Nagant 7.62 revolver. Very unique cartridge, the brass extends out past the tip of the bullet and cylinder. When the cylinder rotates it also shifts forward placing the end of the brass into the forcing cone creating a seal. Apparently the Russians actually suppressed a few of these revolvers for their forward operating scouts.
I was plagued with an appreciation of odd shit.
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